Huh, is this guy serious?

[PavePusher]

http://www.groundreport.com/Politics/Repeal-the-Right-to-Keep-and-Bear-Arms/2938359

"Over the months since the Tucson massacre, not much has happened in Washington to address the problem, which is Too many guns, Too easy access. Inaction is understandable. They're all afraid of the big bad NRA and the gun netherworld behind it. There is another reason: following Justice Scalia's Supreme Court opinion in the Heller case, extended to all other jurisdictions under the McDonald opinion, all gun control is now in doubt. There is only one way to solve this problem and that is to take it head on: Repeal the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. I propose Amendment Resolution and Legislation as follows:


Phase 1 - The Resolution, Format is from H.J.RES. 438, 102nd Congress::



JOINT RESOLUTION

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the right to keep and bear arms.

<SNIP>

--Mike Barkley, Candidate for Congress, http://www.mjbarkl.com/run.htm"



More at link

Somehow, I don't think he'll get elected on his proposal...


Edit: Added the Joint Res paragraph to indicate what part of his platform I most disagree with.

[spin]

1. Strange that the Brady Campaign isn't pushing for repealing the Second Amendment ...

perhaps they have more commonsense than this individual.

[SecularMotion]

6. Yes , the Brady campaign pushes sane and reasonable gun regulation.

Pushing repeal of the 2nd amendment is just as crazy as pushing unlimited open carry.

:silly:

[PavePusher]

8. Who pushes "unlimited open carry"?

All the proposals I've seen still want to keep weapons out of the hands of felons and the mentally ill.

[Pullo]

14. That's debatable. n/t

[beevul]

19. Perhaps you should rethink that statement.

(with a tip of the hat to TPaine7)

Law in DC (pre-Heller) as defended by Brady Campaign as "common sense" "reasonable" "sensible" gun control and supported by a legal brief to the Supreme Court of the United States of America:



You were allowed to have long guns (rifles and shotguns) in your home if they were always unloaded and and locked or disassembled

You could not load your long gun if someone broke into your house

You could not load your long gun if the person who broke in your house was armed

You could not load your long gun if the person who broke in your house showed or declared an intent to kill you

You could not load your long gun if the person who broke in your house was in the act of shooting at you

You could not load your long gun if the person who broke in your house was in the act of killing your family member or loved one

You could not load your long gun if the person who broke in your house was in the act of raping your family member or loved one

You could not load your long gun if the person who broke in your house was in the act of kidnapping your family member or loved one

You could not even have a handgun that wasn't registered before September 1976

If you did have such a handgun, you couldn't load it in your home either--no matter what was happening to you or your family.

Again, for good measure:

Glock handguns are "not suited for hunting or personal protection,” said Paul Helmke, the president of the Brady Campaign."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10collins.html?_r=3&hp

"We're not a gun ban organization. We don't push for gun bans" - Helmke - 2008.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/nra-gun-licensing-and-reg_b_110778.html


I guess you think those are "sane and reasonable" positions huh?

[jpak]

2. This year is the year the Dems stand up to GOP bullies, teabaggers and the NRA

and give them a shellacking

yup

[Common Sense Party]

7. How? n/t

[virginia mountainman]

9. GOP bullies like..

Sara Brady, Mike Bloomberg, Paul Helmke, Caroline McCarthy...

Yea, they need a good shellacking..

[rl6214]

17. don't hold your breath waiting

You'll be turning blue awefully quick.

[lawodevolution]

30. Are you also standing up agains 2a democrats?

[Name removed]

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[PavePusher]

4. Actually, I can get on board with most of his platform....

except the Anti-Second part. That kinda ruined it for me, personally. YMMV.

Edit: I edited my O.P. to make it more clear what part I was in disagreement with.


Edit 2: Hey, the comment I was responding to didn't really need to be deleted. I admit I was pretty unclear in my O.P., hence the correctional edit....

[pipoman]

11. Except anybody who could possibly believe

such legislation was in any way reasonable, let alone probable, is insane, therefore not a good candidate by any standard.

[virginia mountainman]

5. Yes he is serious..

And you watch, that "proposal" will soon be making the rounds as "more proof democrats want to take your guns". I wonder if he is a so called ex-republican like McCarthy ad Bloomberg?

Bullshit like this does us, as a party, far more harm than good.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

25. +1

Bullshit like this does us, as a party, far more harm than good.

[GreenStormCloud]

10. Laughable.

Any 13 states can block a constitutional amendment. I think we can easily name 13 very gun friendly states that would want nothing to do with a repeal of 2A.

[pipoman]

12. If overwhelming support for CCW is any indication

I am thinking something more like 40 would oppose.

[Pullo]

13. I give this guy credit for his intellectual honesty

something the Brady's sorely lack

[Name removed]

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[DonP]

16. Keep you day job at the tire store Mr. Barkley.

But perhaps some folks here would like to send him a check to support his campaign to repeal part of the BoR. After all some folks actually sent checks to George Wallace too, so anything is possible.

But it's far more likely that they will cough and sputter, rant and rave and - do nothing until the next thread.

In the meanwhile ... I'd bet that a lot of pro shooting sports people here went to the range at least once in the last couple of weeks and spent money on their sport - as well as talking about it. Tlaking to themselves versus actually doing something. That's why gun control continues to lose ground.

[DWC]

18. Repeal the 2nd Amendment?

This subject is not worth the electricity my computer consumed submitting this response.

Semper Fi,

[MicaelS]

20. Apparently he is VERY serious about this...

Go to the link of candidate for Congress page and scroll to the bottom. Half of the entire page is about repealing the 2A.

[mjbarkl]

55. Repeal the Second Amendment - Run for Congress

Yup.

I care about the other stuff, but cutting down on the semi-annual mass
murders is why I am running.

Best wishes, --Mike, Democrat aboveground, so far. . . .

[rrneck]

58. You wouldn't get my vote

if both FDR And Einstein endorsed you. If you were the only choice between you and a Republican I'd have to move so I could vote for a Democrat. Fortunately Democrats will have a better choice because you aren't going anywhere with that position as opposed to "other stuff".

[mjbarkl]

61. Your candidate is. . .

So, who is your ideal candidate?

[rrneck]

62. A candidate

that has sense enough to work for the people rather than whatever crackpot ideology he thinks will get him elected. That idiot redefines politically tone deaf.

[mjbarkl]

63. Lie to me! Pleeeeeze!

Ah. Just another gutless politician then, one who will tell you what
you want to hear and then do what he wants anyway. If I were just looking
to get elected I certainly wouldn't start with, end with, or even mention
repealing the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Best wishes, --Mike

[LibertyFox]

21. Trollololol?

I'm tempted to call this guy an agent provocateur. It reads like everything that the boogeyman stories tell us.

It's like he's purposely trying to make sure he doesn't go anywhere.

[Starboard Tack]

22. Excellent post. This is the first guy to come up with a sane solution

Accountability is the answer. I think he has a decent shot. Most people don't want guns around.
Maybe there is hope for this country yet. Love this guy and his website.

[DonP]

23. Great, send him a check then.

[Starboard Tack]

28. Already did. Thanks again

[DonP]

34. Great start 1 from you, 4.5 million checks from gun owners to the NRA

Both are off to a great start.

But with 48 states allowing CCW, the President, the Supreme Court and a huge chunk of Congress on both sides of the aisle stating that gun ownership is an individual right, I don't know if I'd bet the farm on his chances.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

26. Most people don't want guns around. oh really?

That sentence is such a disconnect for me. The exact opposite is true for me and the people I know. I could convert a lot of people over to Dem except for this one issue. This issue is as bad for dems as abortion is for the repubs.

[Starboard Tack]

29. Did you go to his website and read the whole thing?

You'll still have your guns. Accountability and out of control proliferation is what he's proposing. What part don't you like? If people vote in a general election on a single issue like 2A or abortion rights, then so be it. There are lots more important things to consider. Gun ownership and carrying them around is a serious issue in our society and obviously needs to be addressed.

[oneshooter]

33. "You'll still have your guns." If you can afford the TAXES.

Phase 2 - A Tax; Following adoption of the constitutional amendment, a bill to tax:
1. There is imposed an annual tax on each and every firearm in any household as follows:
a. first firearm, $10
b. second firearm, $20
c. third firearm, $30
d. fourth through ninth firearms, $100 each
e. firearms in excess of the ninth, $1,000 each.
2. This tax is assessed and payable on each April 15 for firearms held by a household at the end of the preceding year, to be paid with a schedule listing firearm type, manufacturer and serial number, the schedule submitted along with the tax return of such member of the household as the members of the household may choose, with other members attaching a copy of that schedule to their tax returns as well indicating by which member the tax will be paid. Where firearms are owned by a partnership, if there is only one general partner the arms shall be included with the schedule of that general partner; where there is more than one general partner, the partners shall choose which partner will report the firearms. Where firearms are owned by a corporation, the corporation shall report and pay tax as if it were a household. Where fiscal years do not coincide with calendar years, reporting shall be as of the end of the previous fiscal year. Where firearms are owned by a legitimate museum, the museum shall report the ownership annually as if it were a household, but shall be exempt from the tax except for the penalties in section 4 below. Sham transfers, that is, transfers to a legitimate museum or to an entity with a different fiscal year, and then back again, shall be reported and taxed as if there had been no transfer. Sham exports, that is, export followed by reimportation shall be reported by and taxed to the exporter as if there had been no export. If a firearm has no serial number, the owner shall apply to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for the assignment of one, and upon receipt of the assigned serial number shall indelibly engrave that number at a suitable location upon the firearm.

3. This tax may be avoided by selling the firearm to a licensed gun dealer or by turning the firearm over to an official firearm collection location or by export before December 31 of the prior year. Once a month such collection locations shall turn collected firearms over to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for destruction, except that the Bureau may withhold from destruction such firearms as are of historical interest for later donation to an appropriate museum.

4. Any firearm lost or stolen will incur a $1,000 penalty in the reporting year it was lost or stolen. For any such lost or stolen firearm that is subsequently recovered by the owner that $1,000 penalty shall be rescinded and refunded, except if the firearm has been used in the commission of a crime chargeable as a felony an additional $1,000 penalty will be imposed.

5. For each firearm sold by a licensed firearm dealer that is subsequently used in the commission of a crime chargeable as a felony a $1,000 penalty will be imposed against that dealer for each such year in which that firearm was used in such a crime.

6. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the Internal Revenue Service shall jointly promulgate regulations for administering this Act.


Sounds like eletist gun control to me. You can have them IF you are not poor.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Starboard Tack]

39. What's wrong with that? You don't like taxes

Sounds like classic libertarian wanting everything without any accountability. We need quit whining, to get out of the sandbox and grow up as a nation.

[PavePusher]

40. Attempted misdirection from you? Quel surpris.

Apply that tax structure to the rest of your Civil Rights. I dare you.

Not to mention that it is clearly punitive in nature and intent. You seem to apply "responsible" incorrectly.

[Starboard Tack]

43. The whole point is to no longer consider RKBA as a civil right, but

to recognize it for what it is, which is about as far from civil as can be. Demanding that people be responsible and accountable for their ownership of lethal weapons is hardly punitive. The intent is not to deprive individuals, but rather to better society as a whole. I smoke and do not mind paying high "sin" taxes on tobacco. Same with guns. His schedule seems more than fair to me, but details can be worked on.

[PavePusher]

44. Well, until you change the Constitution, RKBA IS a Civil Right.

And the vast majority who exercise it do so quite civilly.

Smoking... not so much. And I'm an ex-smoker.

[Starboard Tack]

45. Isn't life full of irony. I used to think guns were OK

Not so much since coming here. Lot of venom flying around. Very low tolerance for any kind of humor and lots of personal insults.

[friendly_iconoclast]

47. "I used to think guns were OK. Not so much since coming here"

Well, okay- you're entitled to your own opinion. But I do wonder about one thing: Is your change of heart about guns because of,

or merely coincidental with, your experiences here?

[Starboard Tack]

49. I hadn't given it much thought before coming here

Didn't have a strong opinion either way, but must admit I was a little shocked when on a few occasions I had seen folk carrying openly. Not freaked out, but thought it odd. I assumed they were cops or similar. Then I come here and hear about the proliferation of CC and see the fervor and animosity, which disturb me much more than guns themselves. Seems like the whole thing is out of control. Hope that answers your question.

[rrneck]

50. It's not a big deal either way with me

as long as we can keep our flare guns. If they try to take away our flare guns then by god I'm hitting the streets. They won't get my flare gun until they pry my cold dead fingers from around it.

Here's my baby.



Is that sweet or what?

Better add this: :sarcasm:

[Starboard Tack]

54. That's hilarious. Love it!

[oneshooter]

42. How much tax are you willing to pay to vote? n/t

[Abq_Sarah]

53. I guess it depends on where you live

I live in a very blue, rural county.

I have a waiting list for my CCW classes.

The people here who are opposed to firearms are in the minority.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

57. yeah, I guess.

[ileus]

24. This should be the year Dems stand up for gun rights...

[-..__...]

27. Can we have a show of hands?

Repeal the 2nd amendment?

I'll bet this is one up and coming movement to keep an eye on!

(Links and numbers provided courtesy of the pinheads own website)...

http://www.mjbarkl.com/run.htm

* Repeal the Second Amendment, group ID 21929253206 - 14 members

* Official Petition to Repeal the Second Amendment, group ID 2297523901 - 78 members

* Abolish the Second Amendment!, group ID 2302436663 - 41 members

* Repeal the 2nd Amendment, Wall, group ID 2305194547 - 80 members

* Repeal the Second Amendment, group ID 2324348833 - 100 members

* Let's Repeal the Second Amendment, group ID 2337762260 - 36 members

* Repeal the 2nd Amendment. Guns DO kill people, group ID 2353216886 - 41 members

* Repeal the Second Amendment, group ID 2354208327- 14 members

* Can't We All Agree by Now That It's a Stupid-Ass Amendment?, group ID 2641091512 - 45 members

* Say "No" to the 2nd Amendment, student group, group ID 31560556736 - 18 members

* Repeal the Second Amendment Now!, group ID 181463948392 - 4 members

* Citizens for the Repeal of the Second Amendment, group ID 105896052795515 - 6 members

* REPEAL THE SECOND AMENDMENT, group ID 143046762420845 - requires login. I don't have a Facebook account; however, benevolent soul that I am,
I'm going to assign them 50 members (and I'm being very generous here), just so

* Repeal the 2nd Amendment and replace it with reasonable Gun Laws!, group ID 124717887555341 - no members (but 24 people like it!...LOL)


A whopping 527 Facebook users with their heads up their ass in the clouds (and that's counting those that are members of more than one group),

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

:rofl:

Yeah... repeal the 2nd... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[DonP]

38. Probably Gunnies looking for a laugh

That's who primarily inhabits the FB page of the Brady group. They don't allow comments either.

I'm betting that many, if not most, of those members are sport shooters in there for laughs.

[lawodevolution]

31. You better hurry up because as I'm converting democrats into gun owners the support for gun control

Wanes and someday anti gun activists will go down the same road as the kkk

[lawodevolution]

32. I consider this to be intimidation against gun owners and conspiracy to intimidate or

Oppress a civil liberty is a federal crime. If the Brady campagn were to take on this cause they will be in violation o this law.

[Hoyt]

35. Self delete -- sorry

[Hoyt]

36. 2nd Amendment could sure use clarification so that gun carriers can't obfuscate its meaning/intent.

[oneshooter]

37. And so the antis can't do the same thing. n/t

[PavePusher]

41. So far that hasn't seemed to work out in your favor.

Cheers! :toast:

[LibertyFox]

46. It's meaning is only vague

when one side uses verbal acrobatics to dance around the meaning of words like "the people" is.

[Hoyt]

48. Or, "a well regulated militia". Are you in a militia?

[GreenStormCloud]

51. You can give up beating that dead horse. It won't get up and gallop.

[petronius]

52. 2nd Amendment rights don't require membership in a militia

That said, legally many of us are in the militia (maybe even you!)...

[mjbarkl]

56. Repeal the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

Hmmm, the article disappeared from groundreport, see http://www.mjbarkl.com/groundreport.htm . Best wishes, --Mike

[cleanhippie]

59. I guess you really have no intention of getting elected, huh?

Authoritarian gun control, the likes of which you support, LOSE elections for Democrats. You know that, right?

[mjbarkl]

64. Winning & Losing

I don't plan to lose any elections for the Democrats. I plan to challenge
in a District where Democrats have an unlikely chance of winning. The maps
for the new Districts in this state should be out before 08/15/2011 after
which there will be a mad scramble by existing Congressmen & women to figure
out where they're going to run, see the new redistricting rules from Prop 20
text at p. 95 in the voters' pamphlet for the 11/02/2010 election at
http://cdn.sos.ca.gov/vig2010/general/pdf/english/text-proposed-laws.pdf#prop20 .
On the other hand, with the bang-up job the Republicans & Tea Party
are doing, Democrats could pick up, oh, 242 seats? Best wishes, --Mike

[cleanhippie]

60. If you are successful, what is your plan to deal with the criminal element that will still have guns

You want to take guns from law abiding citizens, what about the criminals? How do you plan to deal with the huge increase in gun crime that will follow?

[mjbarkl]

65. Self Defense vs. Criminals

You mis-state the text of the proposed Amendment and Legislation. Neither
affect the subsequent privilege to remain armed but the Legislation
encourages you to reduce your inventory to a reasonabl level. The Legislation
encourages you to take very, very good care of what firearms you choose
to retain. This would reduce the supply available to criminals while
preserving your right to defend yourself. Best wishes, --Mike

[rrneck]

66. Ah.

Time release gun ban.

[DonP]

67. Save the campaign $

Focus on trying to get yourself appointed as the "Need Czar" at the White House. You stand a much better chance of reducing the trade in a legal commodity that way.

Any other pieces of private property you feel need to be taxed and regulated by your wisdom and insight? How many computers and printers do you feel we should be allowed to keep without excessive taxation? What about cars, backyard pools or steak knives?

My "inventory" is none of your business, anymore than what library books I choose to read are - or is that next?

I'd say you are a bad joke, but you only rate as a bad punch line. But you do serve as a great tool for fund raising by your opponents.

Thanks for reinforcing the image of Dems as Gun Grabbers again. I have no doubt we'll be seeing your stuff over the next year again and again.

[oneshooter]

68. I already take very good care of my firearms. n/t