Fort Oglethorpe Walmart Employee Pulls Gun on Customer (another law abiding CCW permit holder)

[jpak]

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/lawson-1000551-police-say.html

<snip>

According to officials, Lawson was upset when he thought he was being overcharged for tomatoes. While checking out, Lawson went to grab the price display for them and in the process, assaulted a woman. Police say he reached under the woman's arm and possibly touched her inappropriately. Although it is unclear whether Lawson intentionally touched the woman, police do not believe he groped her. That woman was there with her husband and a 3-year-old child and officials say the husband and Lawson had an argument over the matter.

Police say the husband pushed Lawson, in return, Lawson pulled a 9 millilmeter, loaded gun out of his holster and threatened to shoot.

At that time, police say Walmart employees and witnesses rushed to the scene and were able to calm Lawson. By the time authorities arrived, Lawson is said to have put his gun back into his holster. Lawson produced a valid permit to carry, given by Catoosa County.

Police say Lawson is an employee at Walmart but has been put on leave for a medical disability or injury that occurred while working.

<more>

picture of the smirking moran at link...

[rl6214]

1. HE WAS ASSAULTED

You ok with people being assaulted now?

I'm sure you are.

[jpak]

2. He was the attacker - reading comprehension

yup

:rofl:

[GreenStormCloud]

8. Your own reading comprehension needs work.

Although it is unclear whether Lawson intentionally touched the woman

police do not believe he groped her.

Police say the husband pushed Lawson

Given the context, he was having a price dispute, reached for the price display, accidently touch the woman. Accidental touch is NOT an assault.

Husband had words with him and pushed him. That push was deliberate. The article doesn't say how hard the shove was or if there was a threat to follow up the shove with a beating.

[jpak]

15. "Lawson went to grab the price display...and in the process, assaulted a woman."

woman assaulter apologist fail

yup

[GreenStormCloud]

17. Reporter trying to be judge and jury. FAIL. N/T

[jpak]

18. Pathetic

yup

[right2bfree]

32. "Medical disability" means he was a doctors patient. Probably on meds too. We need to ban these sick

mentally ill people from possessing firearms, not give them permits to shoot people.

[rl6214]

36. I have a medical disability and am on meds

are you now going to call me "mentally ill" and ban me from possesing firearms because I am sick?

[LibertyFox]

43. Yes

People dont matter when you're morally superior as the antis are.

[Starboard Tack]

45. If you think pulling a gun on an unarmed family is OK, then YES

Anyone supporting that kind of behavior is unfit to carry a gun.

[rl6214]

47. You didn't answer my question

you just made an assumption "If you think pulling a gun on an unarmed family is OK,then yes Anyone supporting that kind of behavior is unfit to carry a gun".

Where did I state I thought pulling a gun on an unarmed family is ok?

[Starboard Tack]

53. By defending the asshole toter who pulled a gun on a family

Did'nt they teach you anything in toting school about measured response and how to defuse a situation rather than fan the flames?

[rl6214]

58. I don't know anything about toting school

I don't know what that is.

[Starboard Tack]

66. Perhaps it doesn't exist and therein lies the problem

I assumed (should never do that) you all studied under the teacher Massad Ayoob, or someone similar, in order to avoid situations like the Walmart toter found himself in.
Did you learn to tote all by yourself without any schooling?

[right2bfree]

54. If you have a Dx of mental illness then yes, you shouldn't have a gun, period. nt

[right2bfree]

31. Yuppers. Another nut with a gun. Wonder what meds he was on? nt

[villager]

3. He definitely should've opened fire in the store, in front of the 3 year-old!

why, to do less is unAmerican!

[Starboard Tack]

44. You feel his response to being pushed by a guy who is protecting his wife

and child is appropriate? You're defending this asshole who pulls a gun out and points it at an unarmed man?
I rest my case.

[rl6214]

48. The law says if you are being assaulted

and think your life is in danger you can use your gun to defend yourself. Don't argue with me, argue with the law. Don't like the law, get it changed. I am not defending him, I am stating what the law says.

[Starboard Tack]

52. I am arguing with your defense of this guy's actions.

How could he have thought his life was in danger? Because he was pushed by a man defending his wife and child. Apparently, the law decided to cuff him and take him to jail.

[Logical]

64. You really think his life was in danger? Really? No punches thrown. I would suggest.....

you take a CCW course and pay attention this time.

[right2bfree]

57. Exactly! How nuttier does it get? nt

[rl6214]

59. Take a look in the mirror and you'll have your answer.

[Logical]

63. Please tell me you do not really think this guy was justified in pulling this gun for being pushed.

[GreenStormCloud]

4. You seek to smear an entire group by the actions of a few.

Some blacks are criminals. Are you going to try to claim, as the KKK does, that all blacks are criminals? I would hope you would avoid such a broad brush smear, yet you are eager to smear CCW permit holders.

[jpak]

5. Nope, a few (the GOP/NRA axis) think they have the right to intimidate and terrorize America

Sorry, 'Merica ain't gonna put up with it

yup

[right2bfree]

34. This happens to me it will cost them a bundle in attorneys fees, period. nt

[rl6214]

37. right, that's the American way, Sue em...

[right2bfree]

55. Hey if it saves a person from being killed by a nut with a gun, you betcha! nt

[Name removed]

Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[GreenStormCloud]

12. His posting history consists on this forum is nothing but attacks on gun owners.

He often seeks to smear an entire group by the actions of one or a few.

[Starboard Tack]

49. Like when you call all who disagree with you "antis"

Jpak stands up to the bullies. What's wrong with that? Because he does it with words and thoughts, instead of a gun.

[rfranklin]

7. Playing the race card?

Shame on you!

[PavePusher]

28. I don't see it.

He used that (bigotry) as an analogy, did not make any claims related to race about the actual people involved.

[ThatPoetGuy]

10. I'm curious...

all day, every day, DU's "Latest" is spammed with pro-gun anecdotes. "Mother Saves Family By Using Shotgun," "Grandfather Shoots Black Intruders," and so on.

Do you post your objections there as well? It's the same flaw of logic. Do you only object to the use of anecdotal data when it isn't biased in your favor?

[GreenStormCloud]

16. Not the same flaw.

He tries to use single examples to prove that all guns are bad. We use them to show that SOMETIMES guns are a needed tool. We don't try to claim that all people should be armed.

[ThatPoetGuy]

25. First of all, many of DU's gun proponents do claim just that.

It's a frequent argument that we'd all be safer if we all went armed.

Second of all, neither his approach nor yours (and yes, it's apparently something you do, since myDU is set to ignore your topics but not your replies, which means I got tired of senseless spamming OPs) is based on universals. Both are anecdotal data that are utterly worthless. Nothing can be generalized from any of these anecdotes. Same exact flaw of logic.

[spin]

26. I don't remember any pro-RKBA posters ever recommending that "we would all be safer ...

if we all went armed."

Perhaps if this is as common as you suggest you could link to some of these posts. I must have missed them. If I had read one, I would have taken the time to disagree.

Obviously not everybody should own a firearm. It's a personal decision that requires serious thought.

1) If you abuse alcohol or drugs then guns are not a good idea.

2) If you suffer from anger management problems then guns are not a good idea.

3) If you have severe mental issues then guns are not a good idea.

4) If you live in a volatile relationship with a significant other, then guns are not a good idea.

5) If you have children and are unwilling to properly secure your firearms then guns are not a good idea.

6) If you know very little about gun safety and firearms and are unwilling to take a safely course then guns are not for you.

7) If you are unwilling to take the time to become proficient with your firearm then there is no reason for you to buy one.

8) If you want to own a firearm for self defense but honestly could not shoot another person, take a martial arts course or consider alternatives such as pepper spray.

[PavePusher]

29. Cite, please.... n/t

[X_Digger]

65. Funny, if it's so prevalent, surely you can prove it. n/t

[bluerum]

13. Excellent. Excellent change of topic. And using racially charged imagery as well.

Extra strawman points for that one.

Point is, that this guy should have his ccw yanked.

[MyrnaLoy]

14. lets try that shoe

on the other foot. 'are you trying to claim that all the people with guns are good guys?" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x406131

Isn't this the actions of YOUR few?

That was easy.

[GreenStormCloud]

19. See my post #16.

I never claim that ALL the guys with guns are good guys. You are putting words in my mouth to then attack me on YOUR words. I do claim that MANY of the guys with guns are good guys. I prove that by posting the Texas CHL statistics. In 2009, out of over 400,000 CHL holders there were only 109 convictions for any type of crime, and only one murder conviction. That is an excellent record.

[MyrnaLoy]

21. come on then

lets play. You post one good use of a gun and I'll post 10 crimes committed with one. wanna do it?

[GreenStormCloud]

22. Your posts must be by LEGAL guns owners.

It is easy to find criminals doing criminal stuff.

[MyrnaLoy]

24. hahahaha

nice try. Was this a legal gun owner at one time? http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h5Z7iD0lafhoTPHQGZ_9Z-XuLSfg?docId=ddda50a74c60434c8b8c82600bd7c012


VT shooter was a legal gun owner, Arizona shooter was a legal owner. Seriously man your post was funny.

[spin]

27. The problem with that is that often firearms are used for self defense ...

without anyone being shot and consequently these incidents never make the news and you would view them as anecdotal tales.

When an intruder, a mugger or a rapist is shot, the story does make the news but such incidents are fortunately far rarer than the majority of times when a firearm is used in legitimate self defense but no shots are fired.

However we often read of people who were severely injured or killed by a physical attack or by a person armed with a weapon that was not a firearm.

[X_Digger]

67. Argumentum ad vox populum?

Seriously?

Crime averted, police called, report taken. No news crews, no TV cameras.

And you want to debate public policy on the incidence of an item on the fucking news?

Yah, good luck with that.

[Starboard Tack]

46. Wrong, you smear your own group by supporting this guy's actions

[ileus]

6. doesn't he realize guns kill people?

[Bold Lib]

9. Customer of Wal Mart while he was working at Wal Mart OOORRRR

was it something else. Did you read the article?

[Loki]

11. Upset over what he thought was an overcharge for a tomatoe?

Grabs price display (being an asshole in a store is quite common these days), pushes woman out of the way who is there with her family to grab said display (I believe she is the first one assaulted here), then husband gets angry (which mine would have too) then has to put up with asshole pulling a gun on them and their 3 year old child. This is fucking Walmart, and we keep being told that all people with CCL are just happy,peaceful, law abiding citizens who don't do crazy stupid shit like this. I can hardly wait for the open carry into bars, I think we will just start calling that one the law of natural selection.

[GreenStormCloud]

20. None of us claim ALL CCW holders are perfect. That is your strawman.

In Texas, out of 400,000+ CHL holders, there were 109 in 2009 who were convicted of any crime, including one murder. So we have SOME bad apples. But that still leaves will over 400,000 who used their CHLs with no problems.

[jpak]

23. People post stuff all the time how "law abiding" CCW folks are - yes they do

and when they are confronted with the facts to the contrary

their heads explode

yup

[PavePusher]

30. CCW folks are more law-abiding than their non-CCW fellow citizens.

That is beyond dispute, and the only thing being claimed.

You are the one trying to extrapolate that fact into a supposed claim that "CCW's never commit crimes". Noteably, you fail to provide evidence (cite or quote) of anyone doing so.

Keep up the fail-work.

[right2bfree]

33. Yeah right. nt

[PavePusher]

35. Another fact-free retort. What a suprise.... n/t

[rl6214]

60. Nice comeback

No facts to support yourself so you resort to...nothing?

[rl6214]

40. Dispute the numbers

put them up against non ccw and dispute them.

You can't do it.

[rl6214]

39. This is your mistake here

"all people with CCL are just happy,peaceful, law abiding citizens who don't do crazy stupid shit"

No one here has ever said ALL. It has been asserted and then backed up that the MAJORITY of CCW holders are law abiding citizens.

[Hoyt]

38. Is pulling a gun on an unarmed man acceptable behavior? Seems to be epidemic of CCW's intimidating

or shooting unarmed folks lately.

[rl6214]

41. He was being assaulted.

If you feel your life is in danger, yes it is an acceptable behavior to stop the assault and defuse the situation, whether you like it or not.

And two cited is an epidemic? Come on, you need to find a whole lot more than that to make it an epidemic.

[Hoyt]

50. You sure have a low threshold for what is an assault by an unarmed man.

But, as I've said all along, some folks here are just looking for any excuse to shoot someone. Besides, it sounds like the CCW dude was at fault and had a really bad attitude. Shoot someone over the price of tomatoes. He never should have been issued a permit, and I'll guess that applies to a lot of permit holders.

[PavePusher]

42. "epidemic"?

I don't think that word means what you seem to think it means....

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/epidemic

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/epidemic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic

[Hoyt]

51. Happening every day, Pave. Completely blowing through those biased stats you guys cite ad nauseam.

[right2bfree]

56. Indeed so. As well as the "shoot em in the streets" states like TX and Fl. nt

[rl6214]

61. Yup, sure is happening where I live in El Paso, TX

The safest city in the United States.

YUP

YUP

YUP

[Logical]

62. OK, no CCW holder I know would defend this gun being pulled. n-t