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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 07:57 AM Original message |
Man dies from wounds after accidental shooting |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
1. don't drink and shoot your friends...what is a mobile home corral? |
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NBachers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
2. It's a mobile home and RV park in Beaverville |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. Pulled out the gun to "defuse the struggle". Hmm. |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. And the carnage continues. |
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gravity556 (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. "You know what, Stewart? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. Some gun owners are stupid. I agree. n-t |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
7. I am glad we are in agreement bout how guns and booze do not mix. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. you did see the "ccw" part, right? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. While those gun owners who have carry permits are more law abiding ... |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. 2 in just a matter of days - the drunk in Missouri and this case |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. So what? You keep trying to insinuate something, but refuse to just come out and say it. Why? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. perhaps CCW-holders are not as responsible as suggested |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Ahh, so if that is your premise, that "CCW-holders are not as responsible as suggested" |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. you get the point |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. The only point anyone here is getting is that you are intellectually dishonest in your attempt |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. you get the point |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. We get the point that you were able to find two events |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Apples and oranges. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. Yes, I get the point that you are intellectually dishonest. Well done. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Now correlate to the general population. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. who said those 2 were all of the CC-incidents? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. You are using a typical tactic of those who oppose concealed carry ... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. And all your work still lay before you to definitively show that CPL holders are less |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. you wouldn't be putting words in my mouth, now would you? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Your words |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. could you share the evidence that CCW holders are more law abiding |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Permit holders charges filed by Michigan. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. so your statement is based on CPL revocation . . . and murder rates |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. As a percentage of total population. Yes. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
60. They may well be more law abiding as a class. So what? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. Who ever said they were less law abiding than the general public? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
58. Those 2 jacked up the CC quota by about 5% for this year in 2 days |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
80. I think they are. No one suggested that permit.license holders never.... |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
49. You have made a great case |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Only the fingerprint check and FBI/State Patrol background check |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. I actually have no problem with that ... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I did. I also saw that this happened in their home, so having a CCW was not relevant. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I seem to remember the many posts here relative to CCW holders and their |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Obviously, you are mistaken. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. one instance? Just a few days ago there was another CCW holder |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Since you seem averse to actually stating your point, is this it? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
61. You are absolutely correct |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Classic. A quote for the ages. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. If it were a right you wouldn't need a permit |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. So you now advocate for no permit concealed carry? Great! n/t |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. I don't advocate for any kind of carry |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Alaska, Arizona, Vermont, Wyoming |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. That's great. Hopefully they'll all be as responsible as you |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Concealed carry is not a right, per se. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Thank you for the education. |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I'm honored that you found something that I wrote edifying. I appreciate your kind words. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
84. Also, factual data is poisonous to moral panics. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. factual data=reality check |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. By all means, cite some universal, blanket statement that *all* CCW Holders are |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Still illegal to be intoxicated while in possession of a firearm. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
9. Anecdotes are not indicative of a trend. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. 2 in a matter of a few days - the idiot in Missouri drunk flashing his |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. 2 in millions is nothing. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
63. Statistically meaningless? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. In most states, nothing has changed WRT issuance rates. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:16 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. How do they verify the 60,000 legal defense uses per year? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. By your (lack of) logic then, any anecdotal evidence is proof of a larger point? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. no reason to get offensive - you get the point - CCW-holders are perhaps |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. By all means, present some evidence so. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. 2 cases of gross conduct in the past couple of days |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. You realize you are countering a statistical trend with 2 anecdotes right? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. And a snowstorm in March means AGW is a myth, right? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Uh oh. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. I'm seeing a lot of parallels: the over-reliance on anecdote, the claims that |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
86. In any college math or science class.... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Not getting your point at all. You seem to be making a claim, but refuse to support it |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. Good point. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. So what you're saying is that you are a gun owner |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
70. *gasp* 2 makes it a trend! (or something like that).. |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
85. So that's two in two days. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
62. And so it should be. Toters have set themselves a higher standard |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
10. And your point is? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Who knows? He keeps dancing around an anecdotal premise, but I think he is afraid to just come out |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
44. Another CCW permit holder gone bad. This is becoming quite common, despite what carriers say. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Please specify what 'quite common' means. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Only common in your head, Hoyt. Perhaps you should see someone about that. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. ccw-drunk brandishing a weapon on school grounds, ccw-er pulling his gun to settle a dispute |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
75. Yet aother "responsible" "law abiding" CCW permit holder |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. How do you feel about licensed drivers who speed in school zones? nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
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