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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:16 PM Original message |
Civilian gun possession rate for 90 most violent and 90 least violent nations on earth |
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MyrnaLoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. wrong forum |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
45. How can it be the wrong forum? |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. When this person posted it was in the general forum |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. Look up the concept of spuriousness |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I have to question some of the data, as well |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. That's probably true but I used the best data available, if you can find a reliable source |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yeah. Somehow I doubt the Zetas & pals in Mexico are reporting all their guns to the authorities |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. Correlation is not causation. Thanks for playing! |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I know some people will not like the results for political reasons |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Political reasons? Not so much. Statistical reasons? Yes, there is MUCH to dislike. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. You may not think there is correlation but anti gun groups do think there is |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Your linear regression coefficient is only -0.25. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I think the 3 times higher average gun possession rate between the two |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I wouldn't make any kind of conclusion from this dataset on a bet. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. So you would like to just delete this data because you dont like the results |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. No. I am saying that for your goal, you have more work to do. |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. Furthermore, your own dataset shows exceptional scatter between your variables. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. There may be data points to the extreme on either side but we are more interested in the average |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. Another Interesting point, Sir, Is Variation In Murder rates Over Time |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. An excellent point! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
10. Will be moved to the Gun forum, but same analysis on "standard of living" will... |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:18 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. The results are very interesting because it shows that more guns does not equal more violent crime |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. The results are basically meaningless, not interesting. Either way. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Do you think that more guns equals more violence, less violence or there is no correlation? |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. The data is inconclusive. Period. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
23. If you shake up the acceptable truth set forth by Faith based reasoning you get some interesting |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. They hid my thread and told me I violated copyright law without explaining |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Actually, there is a LARGE difference between Darwin's studies and your own. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I took all the available data from all nations and found that |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I examined your flawed data just now. You want factoids? Here's a few. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
25. wrong forum - IBTL |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
28. But the USA his a high gun rate and a high murder rate compared to modern countries. n-t |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. "3rd world countries" are modern also |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. So you deny we have a high murder rate? n-t |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Compared to the world it is not high |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Oh, it totally is high compared to the other industrialized nations.... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 05:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Last time I looked, Russia was industrialized |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 06:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. I don't discriminate between nations, all nations are modern to some degree |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
32. Moderators edited my edited post |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
35. if correlation does not show causation then it works both ways and |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Unless your data set is bogus for the question you're asking in the first place. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. case in point almost every thread started by anti. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:11 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. You're worried about this info getting out aren't you |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Yes, that's it. I am soooooo busted. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I guess you want me to fudge the data and cherry pick the countries included so as to make the guns |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
38. I think everyone is reading too much in to it. |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 05:29 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. No, the problem was the dataset was inadequate for the question. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 06:54 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. You can't get more simple than murder rate vs gun possession rate |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Yes. That's the point. You cannot prove that other factors are not contributing. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. that is bogus. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. sensei -- please show us the way |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I already did. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. What pholus wants is for me to cherrypick the white countries and add in suicides and other data |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. whatever the "anti-gun cause" is ... |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. He's probably trying to edit the wiki document I linked to |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
56. You are using flawed methodology |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. No, I'm not changing the data or cherry picking nations to make it look like guns are bad |
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