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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:19 PM Original message |
Guns at home more likely to be used stupidly than in self-defense (Harvard Study) |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. Gee, I wish the NRA would pay me for posting ... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. Difficult to correlate since the legal defensive gun use numbers compiled by the Department of Justi |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And it is difficult to verify Obama's long-form birth certificate |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Bullshit. The Birth Certificate has been verified 6 ways till sunday. |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. How about this |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Completely ignoring guns, we still have a shockingly high murder rate. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
55. our homicide by baseball bat is higher than them, so what is your point? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 04:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
60. My my my... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Like you -- as an inveterate public gun toter -- will likely have an objective view of this. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. For the N-th time genius... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. You just LOVE to make shit up |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
66. And yet it was just released, right? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
78. Translation: I have no rational response, so here's a non sequitur |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Maybe so, but |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Makes sense. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
46. which is rare |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
67. Maybe we should consider making homicide illegal? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Yeah, I know that's how I started shooting. I was a ten year-old looking for a phallic symbol. |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Why are you so concerned about the sizes of men's penises? n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. So, women firearms owners are searching for a "phallic symbol"? |
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LibertyFox (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
45. People actually believe this? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
52. Stereotyping all firearm owners as suffering from insecurity and as being ... |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
56. Thank you Dr. Ruth |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. This nonsense has been pushed before, and debunked before. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Right. Those no-nothings at the Harvard School of Public Health |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. For the real facts, trust the DOJ, the BJS, the FBI, and the NCVS |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
47. you are doing the same |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
73. Lessons from the College of It Stands To Reason |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Debunked by a peer reviewed study? - or gungeoneer poutrage? |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
51. it tried to debunk a peer reviewed study |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 05:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
80. You don't understand how science and scientific journals work, do you? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. Lol, might as well cite Wakefield about vaccines. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. poutrage fail |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. What would a Prof. of Health Policy at the Harvard School of Public Health know? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. This particular one has a documented history of agenda grinding |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Yeah by using *data* to explode GOP/NRA myths/lies |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. You mean like FBI/DOJ data? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. By using only *deaths* as a measure of sucessful defensive uses of guns. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. If only that were true |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. *data* |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Appeal to Authority. Logical Fallacy. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:20 PM Original message |
It's only a logical fallacy when the authority doesn't know anything. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
25. And you compound it! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
48. Yeah, right. No bearing at all. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. no all of the real experts agree with us, even though they often disagreed before research |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #48 |
62. Perhaps you missed the point.. who is or isn't an expert on something.. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
39. Hahaha, hahahahaha, hahahahaha.....whew.... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
74. Hemenway is well respected? By whom? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Appeal to BS - logical fallacy |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Let me educate you.. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. The poster is willfully clueless |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. +1 and .... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. You should contact the editor of that journal with yer fallacy BS |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. The editor didn't claim that he was right because he's from the HSPH- |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. He has dozens of articles published in peer-reviewed publications. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #49 |
63. You feel free to base your opinion of his "study" on that.. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
77. That would be the same Harvard School of Public Health that... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Oh yeah, unlike CDC gun violence studies Harvard doesn't have to submit its gun research to the NRA |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Free clue, this wasn't published by Harvard. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. Lol, I was right about #2.. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
76. What's especially remarkable is how often Hemenway cites *himself* |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
19. Not a harvard study, actually. n/t |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Oh my stars - the Harvard School of Public Health isn't affiliated with Teh Harvard Yard |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. If it were a Harvard study, it would be published in a Harvard publication. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Yeah - no one at Harvard publishes in Science or Nature or PNAS or NE J.of Medicine |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Is this article peer reviewed? (Hint: No.) |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
42. The full article is online if anyone wants it: |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
44. I read it, it is almost 20 years old. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 04:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
59. Actually, IIRC, Hemenway is an economist, not an MD |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
64. and yet, people keep reccing this.... |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
50. Woefully unimpressive. |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
57. "So, aside from that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln" |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #57 |
68. I think you got it all, well said. Rec to your post. |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
58. I lost interest when I got to the bolded section |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 04:52 AM Response to Original message |
61. "Suicides are more likely to be successful when guns are involved" More likely than WHAT? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
65. Holy shit we'd better make "people do stupid things when angry or depressed" |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
70. Self defensive use is much more common than accidentally being shot |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
71. or in other words "GUNS KILL PEOPLE" condense it |
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LibertyFox (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-28-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
79. It's a step up from the gun kills by itself. |
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