Now Firearm Tragedies Aren't a Matter of 'Bad Things Just Happen'

[SecularMotion]

PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla., April 26, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Improved Guns, Inc., a not for profit company, is founded to promote the US Pat 7,036,258, which is aimed at eliminating accidental shooting. The passive device is a pin that must be broken before the gun can be shot. Any firearm can be adapted by drilling a small hole in which to insert the appropriate pin. These pins are made with incremental breaking thresholds having a range of 11.5-15.5 lbs. Improved Guns, Inc. can easily retrofit all guns at our cost, although donations are appreciated. Hopefully, new guns will soon include this device.

The inventor, Lanny Lee says, "The only thing that makes this invention seem like a safety is that curious little children can't shoot themselves or their buddies when they find the gun." Mr. Lee added, "What the world needs least is another gun lock; what it needs are safer guns, and this device has surpassed all expectations in field trials.

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"There is a rapidly growing problem of accidental shootings due to the growing purchase of automatic firearms. New owners are unlikely to store their guns safely, leading to guns falling into the wrong hands. The passive pin device prevents accidental discharge; in a stressful situation, the inexperienced will discharge the gun out of control if the trigger has too light pressure."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Now-Firearm-Tragedies-Arent-a-prnews-1109835283.html?x=0

[jpak]

1. more guns = more accidents = moe death

yup

[PavePusher]

2. Did you turn yours in yet, Curly?

Did Larry get to the funeral on time?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

3. what about Curly and Larry?

[PavePusher]

4. Mere seconds, I tell you... 8>)

Great minds, etc.....

[WatsonT]

5. Statistically not true

But we all know you don't care about facts.

[jpak]

21. this is too easy - yup

[ManiacJoe]

23. Wrong graph.

You are claiming more accidents but the graph shows intentional (non-accidental) deaths.

[one-eyed fat man]

30. That was no accident.

He put the wrong chart up there on purpose. He has an agenda, he doesn't care what he says. As long has he "believes" it, it is close enough to true for him.

[lawodevolution]

26. Cherry picked, where is brazil, Colombia, Nigeria, guatamala, Honduras and those

Are modern countries also. There are no super man countries, no the white countries are not better than the brown countries.

[WatsonT]

37. nope nope nope

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nope



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nope nope

[spin]

10. It amazes me how you are so consistently wrong...

[WatsonT]

12. Being consistently wrong is useful

Like if I had a device that would always predict the wrong answer in a heads v. tails scenario then all I would have to do is reverse the answers and I have a very useful machine.

Being mostly wrong but erratic is a problem, but consistently wrong is a wonderful thing.

So all you have to do is reverse everything he says and you have a perfect truth generator.

In this way jpak serves a valuable purpose.

[DWC]

15. Wow! You are so right. Thanks!!! n/t

[spin]

29. Good point. (n/t)

[rl6214]

20. Aaaahhh, the first one to post

with an idiotic answer.

[rl6214]

22. When exactly did Moe die?

:rofl:

[PavePusher]

6. "rapidly growing problem of accidental shootings"

Do they have stats to back up that claim?

[slackmaster]

8. The facts, in fact, say just the opposite

Year   Deaths 	Population  Crude Rate  Age-Adjusted Rate

1999 	824 	279,040,181 	0.30 	0.29
2000 	776 	281,421,906 	0.28 	0.27
2001 	802 	285,081,556 	0.28 	0.28
2002 	762 	287,803,914 	0.26 	0.26
2003 	730 	290,326,418 	0.25 	0.25
2004 	649 	293,045,739 	0.22 	0.22
2005 	789 	295,753,151 	0.27 	0.27
2006 	642 	298,593,212 	0.22 	0.21
2007 	613 	301,579,895 	0.20 	0.20

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

Edited for readability.

[slackmaster]

7. No cockamamie gizmo could ever be a substitute for proper safe gun handling procedures

This story is oozing with bullshit, as is the Web site of the asshole who is promoting this profoundly stupid idea.

If you alter the trigger action of a gun so that firing it involves a pin breaking, you have just rendered the weapon into one that will be impossible to shoot accurately.

This statement takes the cake:

...Health officials believe that guns in the U.S. could become the leading cause of death attributed to injury by the year 2003, surpassing injuries due to motor vehicle crashes. Source http://www.improvedguns.org/gun_safety_info.html

2003 was a long time ago, so you have to question the mental capacity of the person who wrote that. If you are interested in actual data for causes of accidental death through injury the information is readily available at the CDC's WISQARS Web site at http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html . No matter which criteria you choose and how you filter it, motor vehicle accidents, poisoning, and falls account for several times the number of injury-caused deaths than do firearms (about half of which are suicides, which obviously would not be reduced by this silly kludge.)

[jeepnstein]

9. What a horrible idea.

If an 11.5 or 15.5 pound trigger is all that great then it would be quite easy to do that without putting in this "revolutionary product". The most important safety device rides between your ears. I can just see the lawsuit stemming from the family of a dead child claiming the pin was supposed to make such things "impossible".

Lock up your firearms when they're not riding in a proper holster and the kiddies won't be getting shot. It's not that hard.

[ileus]

11. due to the growing purchase of automatic firearms...LOL

[AtheistCrusader]

18. I'll assume that's in the vein of Automatic Colt Pistol, meaning auto-loading.

[one-eyed fat man]

13. Old, old, old idea

An advertisement from "Harper's Magazine" circa 1902 and a little history lesson...........

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IBVPgalgRAk/TUmkq6m7bQI/AAAAAAAADTk/dRkM4bb--6M/s1600/Iver+Johnson+gun+revolvers+ad.jpg

The idea of a hammerless, double action only, revolver with a 15 or 20 pound trigger pull is NOT new. Iver Johnson patented such a revolver in 1881. Note the "trigger safety" existed a century before Glock claimed to have invented it.




The Smith & Wesson "New Departure, marketed from 1886 until 1940, was another revolver to have the hammer completely enclosed within the frame and were incapable of fire except by a long pull on the trigger and introduced a grip safety. Horace Wesson, grandson tells of being called to his grandfather's office as a lad of eight years old. There he was handed an unloaded revolver and told to pull the trigger. Not wanting to disappoint his grandfather, he put forth his maximum effort and just managed to make the mechanism snap. D.B Wesson sent the prototype back to Joseph Wesson to be reworked.

[friendly_iconoclast]

14. Once again, Port St. Lucie vies for the title of "Idiot Capital of Florida"

Trust me, I used to live there years ago....

[gravity556]

16. Yes, because a super clean breaking

15 pound trigger with no loading before the rod breaks is gonna be an awesomely accurate first round gun.

[DWC]

17. Dealing with the Real World

This company is working hard to make guns safer, not simply griping about the problem.

I applaud the effort. In fact, I applaud any effort, whether it proves to be good, bad, or neutral, that is sincerely undertaken to pro actively improve gun safety / security in the Real World.

Semper Fi,

[slackmaster]

24. LOL! The guy is trying to make an easy buck off of gullible, ignorant people.

His time would be better spent teaching basic gun safety to children in public schools. Or giving them swimming lessons.

[DWC]

33. I do not know the man

or his motivation.

I do know he has put thought, effort, and money into a product that, in his view, enhances gun safety.

Could he have better utilized his time? I do not know.

I do know that he has invested his time in actually producing something to address the problem rather than just complaining about the status quo.

Will the product achieve wide acceptance?

Only the public response and future history can answer that question.

Semper Fi,

[slackmaster]

36. I have no problem with people inventing things and selling them, even silly things

I'd say that not knowing the man or his motivation is a departure from "working hard to make guns safer."

Thanks for the clarification and for your service to our country, DWC (I take it that you are a Marine.)

[DWC]

38. You are welcome.

USMC 1969 - 1976

I empathize with this person and others who make the effort.

Mine can be seen at www.thepistolpad.com

Semper Fi,

[Euromutt]

19. Mr. Lee has reinvented the DA/SA pistol

Heavy trigger pull on the first shot, lighter on the following shots; except this requires an extra part, that needs to be replaced every time it's used. You could just buy a Smith & Wesson Sigma, which has a comparable trigger pull out of the box, plus it's comparatively cheap because almost nobody likes the disgustingly heavy trigger pull.

[slackmaster]

25. In the case of DA-only pistols like the Kel-Tec PF-9 he's exploring new horizons of trigger badness

On the first shot.

[Euromutt]

34. Thereby inventing the TA/DA pistol!

Ta-dah!

Sorry, it came to me while I was typing.

[slackmaster]

35. OK, you gave my first, albeit anemic, laugh of the day. I'm trying to move stuff and have back pain.

Thanks!

[lawodevolution]

27. If it's a tool a person finds useful for themselves than get one but

I bet they want the government to force these on everyone.

[spin]

28. Do you have to break this pin every time you go shooting ...

if so, how do you become proficient with your firearm as every owner should?

If you can remove it, then why can't a teenager?

The idea sounds at the best no better than a gun lock.

edited to add text

[benEzra]

31. How is a 12-pound pull that breaks every time it's used

better than an 12 pound DA first-shot trigger? If that's what you want, I mean. And how would you practice; do you buy these in 100-packs?

I do like DA/SA guns (kind of the same idea), but I don't see this as a particularly good idea. I'd also like to know where the pieces of the rod go when the rod breaks; shearing a segment of metal rod isn't like breaking a thread.

[David West]

32. "The fact is a heavy trigger pull improves not only gun safety, but the on target accuracy with the

Taken straight from the website. It's overflowing with stupid.

http://www.improvedguns.org/

[benEzra]

39. Their website appears to suggest committing multiple Federal felonies...

http://www.improvedguns.org/services.html

Do not attempt to ship complete gun, the barrel and slide must be removed! The USPO will accept frames only and mailed as parts only, packed in their small flat rate box. Be sure to insure package. Improved Guns can perform this simple operation without the cost of having dealers do it.

It is a Federal crime for a non-FFL to mail a handgun or handgun receiver ("frame") via U.S. mail. It is a Federal crime not to declare a firearm if you are shipping one. It is a Federal crime for a non-FFL to ship a handgun to another non-FFL in another state.

[PavePusher]

40. Their Facebook page does not allow comments.

How very... Brady... of them.

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