Boy builds AR for school project!

[FatSlob]

http://www.burnstimesherald.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=3036

I love it.

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[FeebMaster]

13. That's apparently true.

"FatSlob: Original message "Boy builds AR for school project!""

AR as in Armalite as in AR-15, not AR as in assault rifle.

Slackmaster: 17. "This is not an assault rifle and not even an assault weapon under federal law, rather a perfectly legal post-ban AR-15 type rifle."

Sure looks that way. Thanks for playing, though.

[slackmaster]

14. AR has always stood for "ArmaLite Rifle"

Fact.

[Dolomite]

2. Notice what he's using for a pointer

in the picture?



That's an ASP extending baton. That's an assault baton. That's a baton of hate. A hate baton. The favorite tool of freedom depriving jack booted thugs loyal to Johnny-boy AshKKKroft and his League of Patriot Action figures.

This is the baton that the corrupt baton industry has been lobbying congress for years to allow any crazy with a credit card and a PO Box to buy as many of these things as their deluded mind told them to.

Yep, good thing he wasn’t allowed to bring that AR into the school. For the children’s safety of course.


Edited to add: that, looking at the big picture, there's no flash hider or bayonet lug on that thing, sooooo, unless it's full auto - that baby ain't no AW. Just your average, run of the mill 20" flattop.

[tridim]

4. That tablecloth looks like Uncle Sam threw up

Just what this country needs, another gun nut.

[MrBenchley]

6. Seig Heil for der Hitler youth!

He vill protect der fuehrer....

[Endangered Specie]

56. Dont you mean... Für Adolf Hitler kämpfen wir!

(For A.H., we fight!)

[OpSomBlood]

57. Didn't Hitler take away the guns?

It sure makes a fascist takeover pretty easy.

[MrBenchley]

58. And that's why every humhole with a swastika today

supports "gun rights" today....

"sure makes a fascist takeover pretty easy"
Hey, it's your boy AssKKKroft working for that,

[OpSomBlood]

59. Nice flawed logic.

So what you're saying is that if neo-Nazis support gun rights, then every person who supports gun rights is a neo-Nazi?

[MrBenchley]

60. Yeah, op, that was flawed logic on your part

But it's hilarious to see you pretend there's a hint of an "if" before "neo-Nazis support gun rights."

[OpSomBlood]

61. So if there's no "if," then why is it pertinent?

How do the opinions of hatemongering criminals affect me? I don't care how they feel about race and I don't care how they feel about guns.

You're creating a guilt by association..."neo-Nazis like guns, what does that say about you?"

It says nothing about me. It has no relevance to the conversation.

[MrBenchley]

62. Don't cry to me because your playmates are scum

"How do the opinions of hatemongering criminals affect me?"
Gee, op...you're the one who tried to drag the Nazis into this out of far right field....and now you're pissed because the facts are otehr than what you TRIED to pretend. As for why anyone would want to parrot the opinions of hate-mongering criminals and racists, I'm not going to guess.

"neo-Nazis like guns, what does that say about you?"
It says you tried to pretend Hitler suypported gun control, and now you want to cry because FACT blew back on you.

[OpSomBlood]

63. Sure, the Nazis loved guns...

And they hated anyone else having them.

[JayS]

9. "tablecloth looks like Uncle Sam threw up"

That is funny, and an apt description too! :)

[Pert_UK]

5. He is one FRIGHTENING schoolkid.......

Mind you, having said that I once went to school "hobby day" wearing full camos and with my air-rifle......I tell you what, they wouldn't allow THAT any more!

But anyway..........an unhealthy obsession with weapons should be discouraged IMHO. I mean, he just "happens" to have a springloaded baton lying around to point with does he?

P.

[slackmaster]

8. I don't see it that way, Pert

Just a baby-faced white kid with a geeky haircut and clothing a little to big for him.

Could you please be more specific about what you find frightening?

But anyway..........an unhealthy obsession with weapons should be discouraged IMHO. I mean, he just "happens" to have a springloaded baton lying around to point with does he?

Did you read the whole article? Based on his career aspirations I'd say his interest in the weapon is an appropriate one.

[Pert_UK]

10. 'Story can't be found' on that website at the moment....

I suppose I was just being a bit OTT and vaguely hypocritical, which is why I mentioned my own experiences....I mean, I was pretty obsessed with weapons for a while and I turned out OK....probably.

However, I do find it slightly disturbing that he has a baton lying around to point with.....I mean, if I went around to someone's house and they had those things lying about, I'd be worried.

P.

[slackmaster]

11. You'd be ill-advised to visit my place

The mock machine gun and inert 100-pound drop bomb might make you nervous.

But I'd be happy to meet you at our local pub and buy you a fine draft beer of your choice.

FWIW, the Oregon lad has already enlisted in the United States Marine Corps and plans to pursue a long-term career in security. Familiarity with the workings of the AR-15 rifle will give him a leg up in his military training, because the rifle he built has a lot in common with the M16 and M4 military weapons.

[Pert_UK]

34. I take that as read.......

:evilgrin:

Just kidding mate!

Given the opportunity I will take you up on the offer of a beer and maybe even join you for an afternoon's shooting.....although not after the beer, obviously.

:toast:

P.

[MrBenchley]

12. Second time in the news for young David...

"Around 9:25 a.m., troopers responded to the single-vehicle rollover near milepost 56, between Brothers and Hampton. David Bartlemay, 16, of Hampton, was driving a 1989 Chevy Blazer westbound toward Bend at about 65 mph when he drove off the edge of the highway, Brown said.
The teen drove along the shoulder of the highway for about 350 feet before steering back onto the pavement. But then the Blazer went into a sideways slide on the pavement and rolled over, again leaving the road. Just after the first flip, the fiberglass roof separated from the vehicle, which rolled twice more before coming to rest on its wheels.
Both Bartlemay and the front right seat passenger, Joel Cooper, 16, also of Hines, were wearing lap/shoulder belt combinations, Brown said, and both suffered only minor cuts. Bartlemay’s 15-year-old brother, Jon, was riding in the rear seat and using a lap belt. He had minor cuts and a wrist injury, the trooper said."

http://www.bend.com/news/ar_view^3Far_id^3D3757.htm

[Wickerman]

15. Another law abiding gun owner

wearing he seatbelt he was.

[MrBenchley]

16. Just this sort of lad....

"She looked over his shoulder
For athletes at their games,
Men and women in a dance
Moving their sweet limbs
Quick, quick, to music,
But there on the shining shield
His hands had set no dancing-floor
But a weed-choked field.

A ragged urchin, aimless and alone,
Loitered about that vacancy; a bird
Flew up to safety from his well-aimed stone:
That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
Of any world where promises were kept,
Or one could weep because another wept.

The thin-lipped armorer,
Hephaestos, hobbled away,
Thetis of the shining breasts
Cried out in dismay
At what the god had wrought
To please her son, the strong
Iron-hearted man-slaying Achilles
Who would not live long."

--W.H. Auden

[FeebMaster]

17. Yeah.

That sick bastard was driving an SUV for pity's sake.

[iverglas]

36. gee

That sick bastard was driving an SUV for pity's sake.

Seems to me that the reckless and irresponsible kid (kids, especially the male variety, do tend to be reckless and irresponsible) was driving a motor vehicle (indeed, one capable of causing considerably more harm than some others if it struck something or someone) in a manner dangerous to himself, his passengers and the rest of the motoring public.

Just the kind of person who oughta be in possession of firearms, eh?

[FeebMaster]

45. The link was mangled so I didn't see the whole article.

I'm sure if he had been drinking it would have been mentioned in the excerpt. He was apparently doing the speed limit on the highway. Accidents happen. Should we bar anyone that's been in a car accident from owning firearms? Maybe we should just revoke their licenses to drive.

[iverglas]

47. good lord

I'm sure if he had been drinking it would have been mentioned in the excerpt.

Well, me too. Who the hell said anything about him drinking?

I said he was driving in a manner unsafe to the motoring public.

Here's the excerpt from the report:

Around 9:25 a.m., troopers responded to the single-vehicle rollover near milepost 56, between Brothers and Hampton. David Bartlemay, 16, of Hampton, was driving a 1989 Chevy Blazer westbound toward Bend at about 65 mph when he drove off the edge of the highway, Brown said. The teen drove along the shoulder of the highway for about 350 feet before steering back onto the pavement. But then the Blazer went into a sideways slide on the pavement and rolled over, again leaving the road. Just after the first flip, the fiberglass roof separated from the vehicle, which rolled twice more before coming to rest on its wheels.

Now, whether he was deliberately driving badly, or just drove badly because he didn't know any better, he was still driving in a manner unsafe to the motoring public. Gimme a break; how fast do you suppose he was going when he steered back onto the pavement, to make such a hash of the job as that? Would *you* have done that?

There's a school of thought that doesn't call this sort of thing an "accident".

Should we bar anyone that's been in a car accident from owning firearms?

Well, do you think we should? Why are you asking me?

I'm saying that I would no more want to be within bullet range of this kid than I'd want to be sharing a highway with him. And I can't for the life of me think what important purpose would be served by leaving him alone with guns, or what horrible consequences would flow from barring him and people like him (i.e. young, since I really don't think he's a unique specimen of that species) from unsupervised access to firearms.

I'm not at all happy about 16-year-olds driving, either, in case you wondered. They simply don't have the self-control or judgment that is required for the operation. And nope, I never got behind the wheel of a car until I was much older, so no hypocrite me.

[TexasMexican]

18. Springloaded Baton?

How do you know his baton is springloaded? Are you some kind of baton nut that can ID that baton?

I have a similar looking baton and it isnt springloaded, not that I think that there is anything wrong with owning a springloaded baton.

[FeebMaster]

19. All of this baton porn makes me sick. (nt)

[TexasMexican]

22. Its not porn...

if there is no penetration. :P

[FeebMaster]

23. Soft-core baton porn.

How low can the pro-baton crowd sink?

[mosin]

20. "springloaded" baton

It looks like a standard baton. I have one that looks just like it. Most open with a strong snap of the wrist, but they are not spring-loaded. They just use inertia.

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[FatSlob]

7. I'm a Democrat,

Why the unhealthy obsession with me?

[jtb33]

21. because....

Benchley (et all) think that anyone who isn't for "gun-grabbing" must not be a Democrat.

[MikeyMoore]

24. What do you need assault weapons for?

It's disgrace that we allow guns to even exist in this country, let alone assault weapons. Get some sense people!

[TexasMexican]

25. You must be new here...

hence your ignorance. The rifle in the picture isnt an assault weapon.

[MikeyMoore]

26. Sure looks like one to me n/t

[TexasMexican]

27. Really, please explain...

it doesnt have the features that would make it an assault rifle. It has no bayonet lug, no flash suppressor, no collaspable stock.

So why do you think its an assault rifle?

[MikeyMoore]

28. It's only designed to kill

Spray and pray is the term I believe. There's no reason for that thing to be on the streets.

[TexasMexican]

29. But that isnt the definition of an assault rifle

That rifle most likely is not fully automatic so there would be no spray and pray unless he kept flicking the trigger which wouldnt be very accurate. Infact its likely that it would be less deadly that if he used aimed fire.

[MikeyMoore]

30. Then change the definition

What purpose does it serve? Only evil.

[TexasMexican]

31. Good luck on that one.

Must be nice to be able to constantly change the definition of something to suit your own purposes.

Let me know how that works out for you.

[MikeyMoore]

32. Don't worry

Sen. Feinstein is working on a proposal to do that just now. You gun nuts will be in for a surprise soon.

[TexasMexican]

33. ohhh weeee oooooohhhh

whatever you say sport.

[mosin]

53. I've seen her proposal.

No thanks.

[FatSlob]

37. That was hysterical! Great post.

Spray and pray?!!?!!?!! hahahahahaha. Funny. I have two that are not on the street, they are in my safe.

[MikeyMoore]

38. They are in there now

But how long before they end up in the hands of a criminal. They can break in and steal them. The only safe gun is a dismantled gun.

[FatSlob]

39. Sure. We believe you.

[mosin]

52. Dismantled guns

I don't think dismantling would do much good. They can be "remantled" very easily by criminals.

I prefer to keep my firearms loaded and on my person at all times. :) Those I can't carry I reluctantly keep locked up in a safe in a secret closet with a locked door in a locked house with a home security system.

[slackmaster]

40. Any bets on how long before we hear the one about

"13 kids every day"?

[iverglas]

41. oh, I'd bet on a lot of things

The sincerity of this poster's statements not likely being among them.

You guys are soooo gullible, eh?

Well, that too might be assuming more sincerity than suspicious moi might be willing to assume.

Either way, I wonder how long after our new friend gets bored with us it will be, before someone starts citing him/her as an example of all that is horribly wrong with the firearms-control crowd ...

[MikeyMoore]

44. Dude, what is your problem?

Why can't you stick to talking about the issues without reverting to attacking me?

[NorthernSpy]

49. most of your posts read like deliberate caricatures of pacifism

Thing is, people who favor gun control are rarely pacifists at all, let alone the kind of strict pacifists who eschew personal self defense.

That's the kind of thing that might make some people wonder about where you might really be coming from.

Hey -- it's just a guess...

Mary

[MikeyMoore]

50. It's called consistency

I'm sorry most people don't exhibit it. Our society would be a much better place if they did.

[Dolomite]

48. Sometimes I see mine sniffing around the curb...

...acting like they want to go right on to the street - but usually all I've got to do is step out onto the porch and yell at them. Then they scurry right back into the yard.

My ASP batons tho, boy, that's a whole 'nother story.

If I don't keep those things caged up all the time they'll just make a bee-line right for the fucking street! They're crazy dangerous! Shouldn't be allowed to be owned by anyone much less brought into schools!

[iverglas]

35. excuse me, but

First you say

The rifle in the picture isnt an assault weapon.

and then you say

it doesnt have the features that would make it an assault rifle. It has no bayonet lug, no flash suppressor, no collaspable stock.

So why do you think its an assault rifle?

Haven't you got your "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" confused here?

How is a simple foreigner like me supposed to keep this all straight if you do stuff like this?

[OpSomBlood]

43. Assault weapons as defined by the AWB:

Contain any of the following features:

- Folding or telescopic stock.
- Bayonet lug.
- Threaded barrel.
- Flash suppressor.
- Grenade launcher.

An "assault rifle" as defined by accepted military terminology is a portable, shoulder-fired fully-automatic machine gun that fires rifle ammunition. The 1994 AWB has no applicability whatsoever to such weapons.

So the rifle this student built is neither an "assault weapon" nor an "assault rifle" as defined.

[iverglas]

46. yes, yes, I got it

That was my point, you see.

Someone else switched horses in midstream -- perhaps (perhaps even probably) not intentionally.

[beevul]

42. What do you need the internet for? N/T

[MikeyMoore]

51. The internet is not used for killing, guns are

[mosin]

54. Internet and Guns

The Internet has been used to kill more people than my guns. :)

[beevul]

55. Actually, guns are used...

to propel a projectile via triggered expansion of gas at a target of THE USERS CHOOSING.

It is the user that decides to use a gun to kill...or not.

The internet has been used by terrorists, KKK, separatists groups, subversive groups,and on and on and on...

Its the user mikey, that determines if a THING is used for good or evil. That thing could be a car, or the internet, or fertilizer, or box cutters, or jet planes or...well, you name it, and it CAN be misused for nefarious purposes.

Checkmate.

Thanks for playing.