GUNS IN THE NEWS - June 15 - 16, 2004

[CO Liberal]

Since I was laid up yesterday due to an epidural injection (and my home PC is in the shop), I was unable to start the regular daily GITN thread. So lets use this one to post stories from today or yesterday. - Wayne

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[CO Liberal]

1. Church Van Allegedly Used In Drive-By Shooting (NC)

Between this and all those roll-over acidents, church vans seem to be very dangerous... - Wayne

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Church Van Allegedly Used In Drive-By Shooting

Police Searching For Three People

POSTED: 8:05 am EDT June 16, 2004

RALEIGH, N.C. -- Raleigh police are searching for three people who allegedly used a church van in a drive-by shooting.

Police say a 17-year-old was shot on Lineberry Drive and Broad Oak around midnight Wednesday.

The teen was taken to a local hospital with a gunshot wound in the back. Officials say the injury is not life-threatening.

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http://www.nbc17.com/news/3424214/detail.html

[NorthernSpy]

2. strange choice of drive-by vehicle

At least the kid who got shot is going to make it, thank heavens.

You had an epidural? Gosh... Isn't that something they do for severe pain? How are you doing?


Mary

[CO Liberal]

6. Feeling Better, Thanks

I've been involved in three motor vehicle accidents in the past four years. As a result I have two herniated discs in my neck, and two in my lumbar area. One of the discs in my lumbar area puts pressure on the sciatic nerve, so I have chronic pain in my right leg.

The epidural injections help lessen the pain, and delay the inevitable surgeries....

[Liberal Classic]

9. Goodness gracious

Get better, mate, you hear? The significant other and I were t-boned just the other day. Had that lady been going any faster I might have been seriously hurt. The first thing she did was turn on her cell phone and started talking to someone. I tried to tell her "lady you have coolant and fuel leaking from under your car! Get out!" But she kept yacking until the police showed up. We're fine though a little shaken up.

[CO Liberal]

10. My Last Accident Was a T-Bone

The first two were rear-end collisions.

In the first (March 2000), I was in an Isuzu Hombre doing 55 on the interstate when I was rear-ended by someone doing between 90 and 100 who claimed he fell asleep - at 1:30 in the afternoon. As a result, I received two herniated discs in my lumbar area.

The second accident (December 2002), I was stopped at a light signaling to make a left turn onto the interstate when someone approached to fast, rear-ended my Suzuki Swift and pushed me into the Buick LeSabre in front of me. It re-aggravated the previous injuries.

In the most recent accident (February 2004), I was in my Chevy S10 going north on a two-lane road following a Ford Ranger. The Ranger pulled over onto the shoulder, and as I approached it the driver attempted a U-turn in front of me. I slammed on the brakes and swerved to the right to avoid hitting him. He kept on coming and I ended up T-boning him in the south-bound lane. It did $5,500 damage to my S10, and untold damage to my back. I now have two herniated discs in my neck, and several vertebrae that are knocked out of alignment.

[NorthernSpy]

13. there are some terrible, terrible drivers out there!

Honestly, there are quite a lot of people who have no business whatsoever behind the wheel, because they are simply awful drivers. Sucks that you had to encounter three of them.

I'm sorry about your injuries, and I hope the epidurals keep working for you.


Mary

[NorthernSpy]

14. that woman was a complete idiot

Her car was leaking fuel, and she still refused to leave it? Geez, what a fool. Gasoline vapors can ignite in a flash.

Thank heavens you and your SO weren't maimed or killed!


FWIW, one bit of info that I've never forgotten is this: after an auto accident, always get out of the vehicle if there's any chance that the fuel line was damaged, and then walk away from the car towards the front and keep going til you're a safe distance away. The reason, I was told, is that the placement of the gas tanks makes the back and rear-side areas of the car the most dangerous places you could choose to linger in.

It sounds logical, so I believe it.


Mary

[FatSlob]

3. OFF TOPIC: Wayne, can you give us an update?

We'd like to know how your back is, and what your outlook is.

[CO Liberal]

5. Back Update

Thanks for asking, FS... :-)

I had another epidural injection on my lower back yesterday - the pain seems to have lessened, and I'm having far less sciatic pain in my right leg. I waiting to hear from my other doctor's office about my next epidural for my neck. (I have two herniated discs up there, and two in my lumbar area, including one that is causing the sciatic pain.)

As long as the epidural injections are providing relief, my doctors are inclined to continue them - it's far less invasive than other techniques. But if they stop having any effect, then I may be looking at surgery....

Either way, it looks like I have a semi-rough road ahead.

[FatSlob]

11. Let us know

when you won't be on due to doctor visits...so we can all flame you at once!:P

[CO Liberal]

12. Gee, Thanks!!!

:-)

[CO Liberal]

4. Police arrest shooting suspect (OH)

Yep - all them guns have sure made the Buckeye State safe...NOT!!!! - Wayne

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Police arrest shooting suspect

The Gazette Staff

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WAVERLY -- Police in Hamilton County have caught the man accused of shooting a Beaver man in the face Friday night.

Pike County Sheriff Larry Travis said Raymond Scott Walters, 46, of 127 Martz Ave., Dayton, was picked up by the Reading Police Department near Cincinnati.

Walters has been charged with attempted murder and two counts of kidnapping for allegedly going into the home of Danny Taylor, 46, at 868 Massie Run, Beaver, briefly holding Taylor and his wife at gunpoint and shooting Taylor in the head.

Travis said Taylor is in fair condition at The Ohio State University Medical Center.

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http://www.chillicothegazette.com/news/stories/20040616/localnews/652951.html

[CO Liberal]

7. Drive-by shooting was a lie, police say (Kansas City)

The story doesn't make it clear if it's the Kansas City in Missoouri, or the one in Kansas. Either way, it will be interesting to see how this story turns out - was the 14-year-old killed by reckless use of a gun in a drive-by shooting, or careless storage of a gun? - Wayne

PS to Mods - I included two more paragraphs than the usual four in order to include what I felt was inportant information. But I urge everyone to follow the link to get the full story.

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Drive-by shooting was a lie, police say

By TANYANIKA SAMUELS The Kansas City Star

A 14-year old Kansas City boy reportedly killed during a drive-by shooting actually died after a friend accidentally shot him in an upstairs bedroom, authorities alleged Tuesday.

Jackson County prosecutors said that 17-year old Joshua Carter was playing with a handgun in the home at 7138 Olive St. when the gun went off. A bullet struck Keyon Steward in the chest.

Carter, however, is sticking to the drive-by shooting claim and maintaining his innocence, court documents read.

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On Monday, Keyon's mother, Lisa Steward, spent much of the day at police headquarters. She eventually told police that she was upstairs in her bedroom that afternoon when she heard a loud “pop,” court records stated. She saw four boys carrying Keyon out of another bedroom and down the stairs, and one of them told her that her son had been shot, according to court records.

Two other witnesses said Carter had been playing with a handgun, court records read. They said they heard a “pop,” looked over at Carter then saw that Keyon had been shot in the chest, according to court records. The witnesses said they rushed the injured boy to the front porch and called police.

Carter, however, told police that he was in an upstairs room with two other boys when he heard a “shot” and then heard a car “speed off,” court records stated. Carter said he ran downstairs and discovered that Keyon had been shot, according to court records. He maintains that his friend was the victim of a drive-by, court documents read.

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http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/8931611.htm?1c

[CO Liberal]

8. Man arrested in shooting death of girlfriend (AZ)

And another one of those "law-abifding gun owners" that none of us have to worry about. - Wayne

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Man arrested in shooting death of girlfriend

Jun. 15, 2004 09:25 PM

A man suspected in the shooting death of his ex-girlfriend surrendered to police on Tuesday night alongside his attorney, authorities said.

Keith F. Williams, 40, was expected to be booked into a Maricopa County jail on suspicion of first-degree murder in the death of Shana M. Kowalski, a mother of three.

Williams is accused of shooting Kowalski early Monday at her house, near 44th Street and Greenway Road, after bringing home their 3-year-old son from a weekend visit, police said.

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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0615arrest-ON.html

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[CO Liberal]

16. If A Story is Not Gun-Related.....

...please do not post it in this thread. This is for the discussion of gun-related issues.