What is the purpose for owning an assault weapon?

[CalebHayes]

Why would you want one?

[maggrwaggr]

1. to compensate for your little teensy penis

same reason people buy H2's, or those big hopped-up pickup trucks you need a ladder to climb into.

Little. Dick.

[justjones]

2. You took the words right outta my mouth....

Compensating for an itty bitty dick aka teenie weenie is the first thought that came to mind as an answer to this question.

[izzie]

6. Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!

---------

[T Town Jake]

93. I'm sure it did...

:eyes:

[CalebHayes]

4. I was thinking to shoot up your school.

[MrBenchley]

47. Shhhhhh!

Down here in the gungeon our "pro gun democrats" want to pretend it's a burning issue of personal freedom, as they feel threatened by Dianne Feinstein trying to "grab" their "guns."

[T Town Jake]

92. Uh-huh, and I'm sure you could...

...tell us all about that condition...<snicker>...

[gatlingforme]

96. LOL, I agree too.!!!

[Romulus]

106. I guess you must have the biggest set here, then

Your testosterone levels must be through the roof, and your wife/partner must be the happiest woman/man around.

Nobody messes with you when they see you coming, 'cuz you swing like that . . .:eyes:

[taxidriver]

135. to help defend against martial law.

[FatSlob]

108. Way to immediately keep folks from taking you seriously.

Absurd.

[taxidriver]

138. *sigh*, yes, ad hominim arguments work so well, dont they?

big scary guns are going to kill us all. and they'll be fired be small-penised men.

[mbnd45]

164. I guess you can use you HUGE PENIS

to defend against zombie and robot attacks. Us guys with micro-dicks will just have to settle for our bullet hoses. By the way, I don't own any "assault weapons" as defined by federal law.

[pocket]

3. real assault weapons?

or ones defined as such for cosmetic reasons by the 1994 AWB.

In either case, take a good look at the regime in power and then tell me I don't need a weapon.

[CalebHayes]

8. Then make an A-bomb because it would be more effective

[pocket]

10. that might be kinda hard to do

me not being a wealthy physicist and all.

[CalebHayes]

14. then at least make some pipe bombs, I know you can find directions...

on the net.

[slackmaster]

33. McFeeb's Law Violation

a.k.a. Nuclear Straw Man.

cqhayes doesn't seem to know the Gungeon Secret Rules of Order.

:nuke:

[-..__...]

53. I wish they'd make up their mind.

Nukes... or penises?

Penises... or nukes?

I guess in retrospect there is some sort of "mushroom" connection. I guess that's some sort of Freudian connection like "spray fire from the hip tubers" or something?

<Andy Rooney>
Penises, nukes, assault weapons... they're all tools when you really think about it. You just need to know how to use them properly.
</Andy Rooney>.

:evilgrin:

[TX-RAT]

100. That didn't take long.

Don't answer the question, just argue the definition of assault weapons. Happens every time.

[FeebMaster]

111. Well there seems to be some confusion

among some people as to which definition of assault weapon is being used. I had always assumed that we were discussing assault weapons as defined by the assault weapons ban, but apparently that is not the case. There is another definition, so I've been told, that everyone else is using, except for me and a couple of other poor souls, but no one seems to want to explain what their definition is so we can all be on the same page.

It's rather frustrating, as you can imagine.

[TX-RAT]

114. Thats why i try not to use the words assault weapon

I much rather use military style, or high capacity rifles. Lets be honest here, you and i both knew what the poster was referring to, but instead of just answering their question, some here would rather argue the definition of assault rifles. I don't think it was necessary to define the weapon in order to answer the question.

[FeebMaster]

115. I thought I did know what the poster was referring to

but I have been informed that everyone but me is using some apparently mystical definition of assault weapon that no one can explain to me.

I'd ask what military style, high capacity rifles have to do with assault weapons or the AWB since military style rifles are machine guns and have been regulated since 1934, but frankly I'm afraid there might be some mystical definition for military style that no one has told me.

[TX-RAT]

119. Give them a break . and just answer the question.

Not many here have the knowledge you do on these weapons. I tend to overlook that, and just answer their questions, instead of questioning the question. But thats just me.
I personally could live in a world without any semi-autos and be a happy man. But thats just me.

[FeebMaster]

120. How can I answer the question

when I don't know what is being asked and the questioner refuses to clarify what he is asking?

[TX-RAT]

121. Lets try it this way

What is an assault weapon?
What is your purpose for owning one?

[FeebMaster]

122. Assault weapons

"What is an assault weapon?"

as defined by federal law are:

Semi-automatic rifles with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and more than one of the following:

- collapsible or folding stock
- pistol grip
- flash suppressor or threaded barrel
- bayonet lug
- grenade launcher

Semi-automatic pistols with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and more than one of the following:

- a magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
- a threaded barrel
- barrel shroud
- a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more, unloaded
- a semi-automatic version of a machine gun

Semi-automatic shotguns with more than one of the following:

- folding or telescopic stock
- pistol grip
- fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds
- ability to accept a detachable magazine

"What is your purpose for owning one?"

I don't own one.

[TX-RAT]

123. Thank you.

[taxidriver]

140. i'd own one because they are frikin badass guns.

no text needed.

[taxidriver]

139. its a legitimate question. what, praytell, is an assault weapon?

does it have to be fully automatic? or have a certain bullet size?

give me a very specific idea of what you mean, b/c my 150 dollar youth shotgun from walmart can kill someone as easily as a hk G3 rifle. or, for that matter, as easily as a screwdriver.

or car.

[TX-RAT]

see post 122

[taxidriver]

148. see post 140. i love my pistol gripped, folding stock ruger mini-14.

*with preban clips*. hee hee.

[baldguy]

5. Well, Bambi is heavily armed, ya know.

[billbuckhead]

11. Keep your neighbors, coworkers and family terrified

:grr:

[mosin]

146. neighbors, coworkers, and family

Several of my neighbors, a few of my coworkers, and much of my family join me at the range on at least an occasional basis. Whether they have their own "assault weapons"* or not, they enjoy shooting mine. They are certainly not terrified by little ol' mosin.

* All references to "assault weapons" in this post refer to "assault weapons" as defined in Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control Act of 1994.

[slackmaster]

7. To shoot bullets at targets

Same as any other kind of firearm.

Also as collectors' items. My gun collection is literally part of my retirement savings.

[CalebHayes]

13. You obviously need a new hobby.

[slackmaster]

26. Yes, I suppose I do spend too much time on DU forums

:eyes:

[MrSandman]

97. So refreshing...

If only someone could tell me what I need.

[T Town Jake]

94. If you've been crowned the King of...

...Hobby Regulation recently, I haven't heard. Get back to us when you're officially in charge of that slice of everyone's life...in the meantime, speaking of "hobbies," it sure seems that you could use a new one, besides moralizing, that is...

[taxidriver]

136. yeah, i have a nice old M14...i figure it'll be worth a lot of money after

everything's banned.

[Don_G]

9. Testerone?

I'm a hunter and I've never felt the need for a thirty-round clip in an automatic weapon that's pretty much an inaccurate POS.

According to my Cousin who's served in 'Nam and several articles I've read, the AK-47 will work if you kick the bolt to free up the rust that has built up from neglect.

[CalebHayes]

12. SNL did a skit about hunting with assault weapons.

it was really funny and then at the end they said "on next weeks show, fishing!" and they show clips of them shooting their ak47's at fish.

I think thats pretty much how dumb it is. I mean I think hunting is dumb but if you want to do it at least be good at it. Have some skill, take a bow and arrow. Don't shoot the crap out of things with a machine gun.

[FeebMaster]

19. The Assault Weapons Ban has nothing to do with machine guns (nt)

[library_max]

52. Who said anything about the Assault Weapons Ban?

Survey says - FEEB!

[FeebMaster]

55. Well since assault weapons are defined by the AWB

and the post I replied to was talking about SNL and assault weapons it seems clear to me that the person I was responding to was talking about the AWB.

[library_max]

61. Don't hurt yourself reaching. /nt

[FeebMaster]

63. Reaching?

You can't talk about assault weapons without talking about the AWB since the AWB contains the definition of assault weapon.

[library_max]

65. That's assuming we were talking about the law at all.

Except that we weren't. So the legal definition of assault weapon was and is irrelevant. Surely you don't think the term "assault weapon" was invented by the AWB? Oh wait, you might, if it'd help you win an argument . . .

[FeebMaster]

67. If we aren't using the definition of assault weapon

provided by the AWB then perhaps you could clear up some confusion by defining assault weapon for me.

[library_max]

71. We're not talking about the definition of an assault weapon either.

I defy you to find a post in this thread other than yours (or mine replying to yours) in which anybody mentions the definition of assault weapon.

[FeebMaster]

73. If people are using the term "assault weapon"

how can anyone have any idea what anyone is referring to if we aren't all using the same definition? Next you'll try and claim no one but me has used the term assault weapon in this thread. :eyes:

[mosin]

129. Discussions

You want to have a discussion about "assault weapons"* without making sure that we're talking about the same things?

* All references in this post to "assault weapons" refer to "assault weapons" as defined in Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control Act of 1994.

[slackmaster]

143. The legal definition is the only one people can agree on

That's why it matters. If we can't find consensus on what we are discussing there is no point whatsoever in the conversation.

Surely you don't think the term "assault weapon" was invented by the AWB?

No, the term was invented by the authors of the AWB.

The legal definition matters but not for long. When the federal AW ban expires in September it will no longer exist; all those nasty assault weapons will be just rifles, pistols, and shotguns in the eyes of the federal government.

[library_max]

154. The only "agreement" I see here

is the RKBAers banding together to pledge their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred dishonor to propping up this ridiculous strawman about the AWB having been brought up by somebody other than themselves.

[slackmaster]

155. No strawman, see reply #9

"I'm a hunter and I've never felt the need for a thirty-round clip in an automatic weapon that's pretty much an inaccurate POS."

Underlining added for emphasis.

[FeebMaster]

156. But that doesn't matter slackmaster

since apparently no one is talking about the AWB.

[-..__...]

51. Uhh-Ohh

"Have some skill, take a bow and arrow".



http://tednugent.com/teds_gear.shtml

[FeebMaster]

82. Perhaps you could clarify something for me

there seems to have been some confusion among certain posters. When you are referring to assault weapons, were you referring to assault weapons as defined by the Assault Weapons Ban or were you using some other definition?

[Ivan Zero]

15. To protect your children from home invading junkie communists

At least that's the official Freeper purpose.

Me, I'll go with the little dick theory.

[Romulus]

107. another poster with a monster set (n/t)

[LibertyorDeath]

16. Not a student of History

That's ok you can catch the repeat.

If someone's kicking in your door at 3am because of your

political beliefs or affiliations.

You don't reach for the Bill of Rights

Well you could but what the fuck good is that going to do you

[CalebHayes]

17. mace

and I do have some.

[LibertyorDeath]

49. mace LOL

That's a good one. :)

[-..__...]

58. Never bring a mace to gunfight!

Dood, what are you thinking?

[taxidriver]

149. "mace". good lord.

well, its good that you have some.

[library_max]

54. Yeah, shooting at the cops worked out real well for Koresh and Weaver.

What you reach for is your lawyer. That's how it works in this country. Works pretty well, too.

[mosin]

125. I have a lawyer.

He's a close friend. And we frequently get together to shoot each other's "assault weapons"*.

* All references to "assault weapons" in this post refer to "assault weapons" as defined in Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control Act of 1994.

[FeebMaster]

128. I like your disclaimer. (nt)

[mosin]

130. Thank you.

I don't want there to be any confusion. :)

[nomaco-10]

18. Rob a bank, start a war....

be able to take out a whole block in your next drive by. You know those fun Amerikan activities, right to bear arms and all that stuff.

[FeebMaster]

20. Welcome to the dungeon.

Wow. This thread is great.

To answer your question: You buy an assault weapons for whatever you buy any gun for: hunting, target shooting, plinking, self-defense. Fishing if you live in Vermont. What's wrong with owning an assault weapon as opposed to a post-ban or any other semi-automatic rifle for that matter?

[CalebHayes]

24. You don't need them though... and their dangerous so lets take them...

off the streets.

[FeebMaster]

25. How are they any more dangerous

than any other semi-automatic weapon?

[slackmaster]

27. Need and dangerousness are not tests for owning anything else

You don't need most of the things you own, and many of them are dangerous as well.

[library_max]

56. That's not actually true.

Lots of products are kept off the market because they're dangerous. Toys and prescription drugs, to name two general categories.

[-..__...]

48. Do you live on that street ...

that will be "flooded with AK-47s and UZIs"?

Let me know where you live dood because I'll be so like there with a front-end loader and semi to and haul away the mess....

Just doing my bit to make things safer for the children and what not ;)

[taxidriver]

150. yes, "you dont need them"..who decides who needs swhat?

lets take them away, yes, yes, what about when bushies decide we dont need, oh, say...the DNC?

[TomNickell]

21. Devils Advocate.

An assault rifle is rugged, reliable, accurate. The gun and ammunition can be cheap--they're mass-produced--massively. So, if you are going to have a rifle for whatever purpose, an assault rifle isn't a bad choice. (I learned this at a barber shop.)

Plus, you can run around the woods and pretend you are Rambo.

Seems to me, the better strategy would be to concentrate on the ammunition rather than trying to define an 'assault rifle'. Limit clip sizes to 8 rounds (or so). Limit the number of rounds any person can have in his possession. Maybe limit the penetration ability of the bullet. And, MAKE THE DAMN THINGS TRACEABLE.

Overall, I think the assault rifle problem peaked out some years ago. Lots of young punks wanted one 'cause they had seen too many Rambo movies. Now they are old-fashioned and the cities have worked out other approaches for controlling guns.

FWIW.

[mosin]

127. Devil's advocate

An assault rifle is rugged, reliable, accurate. The gun and ammunition can be cheap--they're mass-produced--massively. So, if you are going to have a rifle for whatever purpose, an assault rifle isn't a bad choice. (I learned this at a barber shop.)

All true, and all very good reasons. Inexpensive military surplus ammunition is widely available for standard calibers for "assault weapons"*. You can easily find 1000 of 5.56NATO for less than $80 per 1000.

Seems to me, the better strategy would be to concentrate on the ammunition rather than trying to define an 'assault rifle'. Limit clip sizes to 8 rounds (or so). Limit the number of rounds any person can have in his possession. Maybe limit the penetration ability of the bullet. And, MAKE THE DAMN THINGS TRACEABLE.

"Assault weapons"* don't take clips. Top-loading bolt action rifles load with clips. "Assault weapons"*, by definition, take magazines.

Also, standard hunting ammunition penetrates far more than, for example, the 5.56NATO used in AR-15 derivative firearms. 5.56 actually depends on frangibility for much of its lethality.

I have about 20,000 rounds of ammunition in various calibers (.22LR, .380ACP, .38Spl, .357Mag, 9mm, .357Sig, .40S&W, .45ACP, .44Mag, 5.56NATO, 7.62x39, 7.5x55Swiss, 7.62x54R, .308, .30-06). Is that too much by your standards?

* All references in this post to "assault weapons" refer to "assault weapons" as defined in Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control Act of 1994.

[FeebMaster]

131. How will you limit the penetration ability of a bullet?

Revoke the laws of physics? The only way you could make it traceable, short of some kind of microchip or something that could survive the impact, would be to make bullets that would hold together and not deform too much on impact so you could stamp a serial number on them. Nevermind what this would cost and not to mention all the paperwork and registrations that would no doubt be involved, this would more than likely increase their penetration ability which you also would like to limit. So how were you planning on making bullets traceable?

[Senior citizen]

22. You might need one to get to the polls on election day?

Just kidding, I hope. :tinfoilhat:

[OpSomBlood]

23. The Assault Weapons Ban has nothing to do with machine guns.

The Assault Weapons Ban has nothing to do with machine guns.
The Assault Weapons Ban has nothing to do with machine guns.
The Assault Weapons Ban has nothing to do with machine guns.
The Assault Weapons Ban has nothing to do with machine guns.
The Assault Weapons Ban has nothing to do with machine guns.

It's amazing how effective the incorrect use of terminology has been at keeping people ignorant.

[TomNickell]

28. BUT....

There an 'assault rifle' has characteristics in common with a fully automatic assault rifle:
A large magazine.
Military highly penetrating ammunition
Simple conversion to fully automatic
Rambo appeal

It would be useful if gun owners would define the characteristics they actually want and need. Then it would be possible to reconcile those with the legitimate need of the Gov't to prevent criminals from outgunning the police.

[slackmaster]

29. Conversion to fully automatic is neither simple nor legal

In fact it's complex and extremely illegal unless you do the required paperwork.

I do some machine work including gunsmithing for fun.

[FeebMaster]

31. You are mistaken.

Other than the ability to accept a high capacity magazine, which isn't a feature limited to assault weapons.

Military highly penetrating ammunition is a meaningless phrase. Armor piercing ammunition has its own set of regulations and they have nothing to do with the AWB.

ATF has decided that any weapon that is easy to convert to fully automatic is a machine gun and therefor regulated like a machine gun.

Rambo appeal? Please. What does that have to do with anything?

What does the AWB have to do with criminals outgunning the police? The police can buy machine guns as well as weapons covered by the Assault Weapons ban. Criminals, of course, don't care about breaking laws so bans on machine guns and assault weapons don't bother them much either.

[OpSomBlood]

38. I had no idea that you had to specify "need" in order to own things.

I've asked before, who gets to decide what you "need" and don't? The government?

[MrBenchley]

46. Gee, op....

the American public certainly wants these things banned....so it's pretty funny to hear that you guys can't even justify a case for them.

[OpSomBlood]

88. If you can justify a case for banning these weapons and not others...

...I'm all ears.

There is no basis for isolating semi-auto rifles as "more lethal" than semi-auto pistols. None. If there is one, please enlighten us. If "assault weapons" are used in a high number of gun crimes, please present the supporting statistics.

If there is any logical explanation for the ban other than "they look like machine guns and scare me," please drop it on us.

[library_max]

57. And nobody said it did.

And nobody said it did.
And nobody said it did.
And nobody said it did.
And nobody said it did.
And nobody said it did.

It's amazing how much RKBAers love to call other people ignorant, even when they have no excuse at all.

[FeebMaster]

60. Nobody said it did?

Have you even read this thread?

[library_max]

62. Well, YOU said it didn't and OP said it didn't,

but NOBODY said it did. If you think otherwise, perhaps you'd favor us with the number of the post in this thread that says that the AWB has anything to do with machine guns.

[FeebMaster]

64. Well on a quick glance

posts 9, 12, and 39 in this thread mention machine guns. Actually that would be the subthread starting at 39, post 42 is where the machine guns are. You should really try reading the thread.

[library_max]

66. But NONE of those posts refers to the AWB.

Once again, the whole sentence, Feeb, not just the part that makes you think you're right.

Hey, and posts 9 and 42 don't even mention machine guns. But thanks for playing anyway.

[FeebMaster]

68. Perhaps you could define assault weapon for me then

since you apparently aren't using the definition that is provided in the AWB.

[library_max]

70. And ya know, nobody except you has even raised the issue

of the definition of an assault weapon!

Boy, you really are determined to prop up this straw man, aren't you?

[FeebMaster]

74. Then maybe you could define assault weapon for me

since apparently I'm the only one who is unclear about the definition everyone else is using.

[library_max]

75. Nobody but you gives a rat's ass about the definition.

He said, sweetly. :)

And the only reason you do is because you think that's your way out of the hole you've dug for yourself by claiming that somebody said that the AWB has something to do with machine guns, which nobody did.

[FeebMaster]

76. Then perhaps you could clarify

what definition of assault weapon you and everyone else seem to be using, since I am apparently the only person not using it.

[OpSomBlood]

91. The entire point of this thread hinges on the definition!

How can you ask why someone would want _______ without defining what ______ is?

[library_max]

112. Okay, since you guys really want to make a stand on this non-issue,

I will explicate the "logic" that FeebMaster is using and that you are so eager to defend.

First, we assume that any mention of assault weapons equals machine guns, as FeebMaster did regarding posts 9 and 42.

Next, we claim that the "only" definition of assault weapons is in the AWB. Therefore, anybody using the term "assault weapon" is referring to the AWB, regardless of the actual context, even if the legal definition, or any particular definition, is utterly irrelevant to that context.

Then, we sprightly gloss over the idea that anyone making any kind of reference to machine guns and to the AWB must be asserting that the AWB refers to machine guns.

And voila! Anyone who uses the term "assault weapon," in any context whatsoever, has asserted that the AWB refers to machine guns. Any use of the term in any context whatsoever.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the magical secret of how to pull a straw man out of a hat while sawing your own argument in half.

Gee, guys, have some pride. Quit trying to milk this obvious lie.

[OpSomBlood]

133. You act as though there is no distinction between AW and machine guns.

The term is incorrectly used interchangeably, and people like you get all in a tizzy when it is pointed out.

Of course, this takes us all the way back to why we should have to justify the things we choose to own in the first place.

[library_max]

147. Me? No. I'm just quoting Feeb.

If you don't like the thread question, don't answer it. That's no excuse for dragging a straw man all up and down it. Nobody but you and Feeb made any mention of the AWB whatsoever.

[FeebMaster]

72. Right.

Post 9:

"I'm a hunter and I've never felt the need for a thirty-round clip in an automatic weapon that's pretty much an inaccurate POS.

According to my Cousin who's served in 'Nam and several articles I've read, the AK-47 will work if you kick the bolt to free up the rust that has built up from neglect."

Automatic weapon. AK-47 and 'Nam, or do you think the VC were using semi-autos?

Post 42 was clearly talking about military arms and no military in the world issues assault weapons as defined by the AWB. This is clarified in post 44: "I thought the only legal way you could own an assault weapon was to be in the military."

Thanks for playing, though.

[library_max]

77. Still waiting to see the phrase "machine gun."

It was mentioned in post 12, but not in any remote context of the AWB.

[FeebMaster]

78. Are you saying that

militaries around the world issue their troops assault weapons? If so, how are those assault weapons different from the assault weapons that are defined by the Assault Weapons Ban?

[slackmaster]

30. Question for cqhayes

What was your purpose for starting this thread?

Was it an honest quest for knowledge, or was it something else?

[library_max]

59. Someone forgot to tell him the legal maximum for gun control advocates

in the Gungeon is four at any one time.

What a hoot! A Gungeon thread that isn't wall-to-wall RKBAers!

[CalebHayes]

83. I want to know why people need assault weapons.

[hansberrym]

87. "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen,...

citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-John F. Kennedy


"I am pleased to accept Life Membership in the National Rifle Association and extend to your organization every good wish for continued success."
-John F. Kennedy, March 20, 1961


"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
-John F. Kennedy


We need semiautomatic military-style weapons in the hands of individual private citizens for all the reasons given above by John F. Kennedy.


Ordinary shotguns and handguns will suffice for self-defense purposes,
but militiary style weapons are needed for defense against governmental tyrrany.

[slackmaster]

104. Tha's not what you asked

:argh:

[T Town Jake]

95. We all know, pretty much, what...

...the "purpose" was - and, I fairly suspect, we all have a fair idea about the "whoms" who likely motivated it, also. There is, of course, no substantiating "proof" - PM's are, of course, "private." But it 'tis passing strange that suddenly, out of the clear blue sky like mythical Manna from Heaven, a gaggle of freshly-minted gun control crowd types would drop down into the Gungeon to pose "questions" about why anyone would ever need to own one of those ugly, evuuul "assault" weapons - and without missing nary a rhetorical beat start reeling off the standard gun control crowd talking points about "small penises" and "little dicks" being the motivating factors... Seems I've heard such sentiments before, and not in the rote form I'm hearing now...eh?

[OpSomBlood]

32. An "assault weapon" or a machine gun?

Reasons for owning a semi-automatic rifle currently classified as an "assault weapon" due to it's non-mechanical features:

- lightweight and comfortable to shoot
- cheap and plentiful ammunition
- rugged and accurate for outdoors shooting
- many "assault weapon" calibers are suitable for hunting

I own a Colt M4 because I find shooting to be a very fun hobby...one which I do responsibly and safely. I respect anyone's desire not to ever own or shoot a firearm.

[minavasht]

34. Shoot with it?

AK variant - approx. $300.00
1000 rounds of ammo - approx. $100.00 delivered.
Lots of fun.

[xchrom]

35. there are a few native americans left

our ancestors didn't have our technology -- be a shame to leave their good work unfinished.
i'm pretty sure it would be a preemptive thingy.

[Fescue4u]

36. I don't need a reason.

Im an American.

[wurzel]

37. To defend yourself. They are all around us.

[zbdent]

39. overcompensate for bad aim? or just in too much of a hurry to target?

?

[FeebMaster]

40. What are you talking about? (nt)

[OpSomBlood]

41. Do you really expect a coherent and pertinent answer?

n/t

[zbdent]

42. How about this for a coherent answer

(strangely, courtesy of a satirical SF/Fantasy novella).

Assault weapons, like frag grenades, are not necessarily for killing.

One of their best uses is to demoralize your enemy.

You kill one, they have to leave the body.

You injure one, it hurts their morale to leave the wounded. If they try to cart off the wounded, it slows them down. Then the cries of the wounded are with them.

Rather disheartening.

Best killing is probably done with a sniper rifle. Set back, choose your target carefully, pick your shot.

Assault weapon, point it in the general direction and hope you hit something.

Coherent enough?

[FeebMaster]

43. Not really.

Since no military in the world issues its soldiers weapons covered by the Assault Weapons ban.

[zbdent]

44. Interesting

is that for real? I thought the only legal way you could own an assault weapon was to be in the military.

At least, in the US. (I am not trying to be sarcastic, I want to be informed).

Thanks. If true.

[FeebMaster]

45. The Assault Weapons Ban has nothing to do with machine guns.

Machine guns have been regulated since 1934. They are legal to own. Buying them requires some paperwork, the ok of local law enforcement, some passport sized pictures of you, a couple copies of your finger prints, and payment of the $200 tax. The tax has always been $200, even back when you could literally buy some machine guns for a few bucks.

The AWB only affects semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns that have more than one of a list of features.

For semi-auto rifles with the ability to accept a detachable magazine the list is: collapsible/folding stock, pistol grip, flash suppressor or threaded barrel, bayonet lug, or a grenade launcher.

While the grenade launcher part would probably effect an M-203 or something similar, those are already regulated like machine guns, and the grenade launchers generally being effected by the ban are ones on the muzzle that are there for launching rifle grenades.



The lists for pistols and shotguns are a bit different:

I'm going to cut and paste these since I don't recall them off the top of my head.

Pistols:
(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii)a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(iii)a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm


Shotguns:
(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of -
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii)a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

[RoeBear]

79. So what you are saying is that...

...assault rifles aren't the killing machines that they are cracked up to be.

[zbdent]

105. Apparently, I was incorrectly placing an AK47 and the like

(less accuracy, but often used for strafing) in as an assault weapon.

(Another poster was informing me).

Yes, they are good at killing.

But also, if you only wound them, it does tend to slow the retreat of your enemy, also.

Please forgive my ignorance.

[-..__...]

50. Congratulations!

You're our new contestant in the "Gungeon".

Please pick a catagory...

1) The Bill of Rights.

2) Ineffective Legislation.

3) "I like to ban bad things because they hurt people".

4) Phallic deity's and totems.

5) Where's my bong?

[RoeBear]

69. I got a question for you...

...if I couldn't get an assault weapon (by whatever defintion you'd like to use) what crime would it prevent me from committing?

[MrSandman]

98. Logic?...c'mon...n/t

[Retired AF Dem]

80. They are fun to shoot

No woman I have ever been with has ever been disappointed on the size of my Johnson. :)

[FeebMaster]

81. Perhaps you could clarify something for me

there seems to have been some confusion among certain posters. When you are referring to assault weapons, were you referring to assault weapons as defined by the Assault Weapons Ban or were you using some other definition?

[CalebHayes]

84. either or, man.

[FeebMaster]

85. Either or what?

Either you're using the definition provided in the AWB or you're using another definition. If you're using another definition could you provide it?

[OpSomBlood]

89. Details are such a fucking drag, man.

Why are you so hung up on facts?

[library_max]

113. When you guys stumble across an actual fact, please let us know.

This definitions bull has nothing to do with facts, and you know it.

[Columbia]

86. Because they don't want me to have one

[OpSomBlood]

90. Heh...that's actually a pretty great reason.

Lots of career politicians don't trust me enough to own an "assault weapon" even though they certainly enjoy spending my money. That makes me want to own one even more.

[library_max]

116. Man, you gotta love these "liberals"

who hate politicians, bitch about taxes, and love guns. Thank God there are no actual Republicans hanging around the Gungeon! :eyes:

[FeebMaster]

117. All the Republicans are at other forums

deciding which gun control to pass next.

[MrBenchley]

124. Remember, the "they"

is pretty much every decent person in America...

On the plus side, folks like the Aryan Nation, the KKK, and Tom DeLay all DO want our trigger happy brethren to have all the assault weapons they can hold in their sweaty shaky hands....

[TX-RAT]

99. Your question should have been

What is the purpose for owning a high capacity semi-automatic rifle?
Now all your going to get is people arguing about the definition of an assault rifle.
Now I'll answer your question.
I personally have no use for one, for various reasons.
They're pretty much useless for hunting big game unless they're chambered for 308, lesser calibers are not allowed in some states. As i posted before, in all my years of hunting, I've never seen one used in the field. I've never seen one used in any of the hunting shows on TV.
I think they are a poor choice for home defense due to their ability to shoot through interior and exterior walls, endangering innocent peoples lives.
Most of those weapons out of the box accuracy leaves a lot to be desired.
It's just my opinion but i think of them as nothing more than a novelty, with very little if any usefully purpose.

[OpSomBlood]

101. Again, why must we prove "useful purpose" in order to own things?

Nobody needs a red Ferrari convertable, either.

[TX-RAT]

102. I never said we, OP

I said, In my opinion. And in my opinion, there are better choices for hunting, better and safer choices for home defense, far better choices for target shooting. Now if my goal was to send hundreds of rounds down range, for no more purpose than to make noise and kick up dirt, then i might consider such a weapon.

[Zynx]

103. Lots of reasons

1. I like to shoot. These are fun to shoot.

2. I don't trust the government.

3. It's a good addition to my collection. Got most other types of weapons.

4. I can.

5. There is a certain "cool" factor to being able to say you own an AK-47 and then show it off on the gun range.

[FatSlob]

109. My reasons are fantastic.

Any lawful purpose. That is why I own one of these:


and one of these:


I own and use them for "Any lawful purpose" This includes hunting, plinking, target shooting, self defense, investing, collecting, and wanting.

[library_max]

110. Are you aware that "fantastic" means

related to fantasy as opposed to reality?

As long as we're being formal grammarians and all hung up on definitions around here.

[FatSlob]

118. Wonderful or superb; remarkable: a fantastic trip to Europe.

Looks like somebody didn't look at ALL the definitions!:D

[mosin]

126. That's why I own them too.

All lawful purposes.

My only "assault weapon"* is a Chinese AK-derivative, but I also have a home-built post-ban AR-15.

* All references in this post to "assault weapons" refer to "assault weapons" as defined in Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control Act of 1994.

[Endangered Specie]

132. Same reason Al-Qeada and other terroists use them

"When you absolutely, positivively have to wax every motherf****r in the room..."

[FeebMaster]

134. You'd probably have better luck with a bomb.

You can set it off from further away too, minimizing risk to yourself.

[Endangered Specie]

142. But its hard to just walk in a shop and buy a bomb from a bomb-dealer.

[FeebMaster]

144. Do like the terrorists do and build your own. (nt)

[mosin]

137. Can I change my vote...

in the older thread asking whether DU was a friendly place?

I don't appreciate being called a racist, murderous, small-dicked asshole because I like semi-automatic rifles/"assault weapons"*.


* All references to "assault weapons" in this post refer to "assault weapons" as defined in Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control Act of 1994.

[Endangered Specie]

141. Mosin...

this is the way of the Gun-Dungeon.

Real men shoot bolt action.

[mosin]

151. I have several bolt actions as well.

Modern and C&R.

I like all firearms.

[library_max]

152. So you can imagine how much we love being called cowardly,

irrational, fact-intolerant gun-grabbers every day of every week down here. You're catching flack because some posters who are not Gungeon regulars are posting - and guess what, they're in favor of gun control. Breath of fresh air, while it lasts. But meanwhile, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

:nopity:

[mosin]

153. Please...

point me to where I've called anyone "cowardly," "irrational," or "fact-intolerant."

I would only put one person squarely in all of those categories, and the ignore list takes care of that problem.

[MrBenchley]

157. Good thing these "pro gun democrats" don't ever go near

any liberal websites, isn't it?

[library_max]

158. To be fair, some of 'em show up pretty regularly in forums other than JPS.

And some of 'em don't.

[MrBenchley]

159. I meant something like pandagon...

Discussing one of the slack-jawed numnutz who'll be babbling on NRANews.com:

"Yes, Mike Adams, you have just guaranteed yourself a trip to the poorhouse. After combating a spectral liberal foe named "Timmy" (while not citing his letter, just responding to things that the guy supposedly said), he relates to us the following tale of penis size-compensation:"

http://www.pandagon.net/mtarchives/002841.html

[Retired AF Dem]

162. I noticed no mention of SUV's

they must be ok now since Kerry drives one.

[slackmaster]

145. I don't own any assault weapons

But it would be fun to have one just to piss off people who think they should be banned.

[John BigBootay]

163. That's my sentiment excatly--

One of the few reasons I started collecting guns was because I fear that they may become illegal.

I really only collect a very few vintage collectible firearms, but if I felt that "assault weapons" were really going to be banned, I'd probably get one just to have it.

[hansberrym]

160. The purpose of owning military-style weapons...

We need military-style weapons in the hands of individual citizens for the reasons given below by John F. Kennedy.


Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-John F. Kennedy


"I am pleased to accept Life Membership in the National Rifle Association and extend to your organization every good wish for continued success."
-John F. Kennedy, March 20, 1961


"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
-John F. Kennedy




Ordinary shotguns and handguns will suffice for self-defense purposes,
but militiary style weapons are needed for defense against governmental tyrrany.

[leanings]

161. I own two of

what go for "assault weapons" in the popular vernacular, an AR15 and an M1 Carbine.

I shoot the AR competitively in a variety of types of matches and I plink with it for fun. I appreciate it as a piece of engineering. I appreciate the role it played in the history of the last quarter of the 20th century. It reminds me of the time I spent carrying a rifle of similar design whilst serving in the military. I shoot it in order to keep my rifle skills current, knowing that I very probably will be carrying a firearm in a professional capacity at some point in the future. I own it because I believe, as did the authors of the Constitution, that an armed society will not find itself subject to tyrannical rule or foriegn invasion. And if I do ever find myself in a position where I need a rifle to defend myself as a private citizen, I'll be glad I have an AR.

The M1 is the most valued material item that I own. It was orignally my Grandfather's. He was a part time gunsmith whose specialty was engraving and inlay, particularly custom wood work. He gave the rifle to my Grandmother as a gift. She, in turn, gave it to me on my 18th birthday. Both of those Grandparents are now deceased, and the majority of my Grandfather's collection was lost in a house fire. No one will ever take that rifle away from me as part of some misdirected attempt at improving public safety. Period.

The M1 also has great historical signifigance. Mine in particular was manufactured during WWII by IBM.

So that's why I own my assault rifles. And my dick is a fine size, thanks.

[joecockandbull]

165. what?