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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:37 PM
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Clothes dryers in the news
Decatur, Alabama-AP -- A 14-year-old Alabama boy has been charged with murder. He's accused of killing a ten-year-old playmate in a clothes dryer by turning on the machine.
The victim, Clinton Weeks, was one of four boys in Weeks' home, without supervision, on July fourth.

Whoever called for medical help made a reference to hide-and-seek, but Morgan County Sheriff Greg Bartlett says he doesn't know if Weeks got into the dryer as part of a game.

Bartlett says the teenager admits to turning the dryer on. The temperature soared past 200 degrees in 90 seconds, but the dryer didn't tumble because of the boy's 70-pound weight.

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http://www.wmtw.com/Global/story.asp?S=2051623
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:58 PM
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1. I think it's clear what needs to be done.
Ban them. Nobody needs a clothes drier after all.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:07 PM
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2. I absolutely agree.
Ban them. Nobody needs a clothes drier after all.

Of course, whether or not anybody needed a clothes drier would be completely irrelevant, were it not for the fact that there is very good reason for banning them.

Clothes driers suck up humongous amounts of the non-renewable resources used in creating the energy to operate them, and generate all the pollution associated with that process -- for absolutely no fucking purpose. Clothes dry. All by themselves. It's surely a miracle of modern physics or chemistry or something, but there it is. "Clothes drier" is pretty much like "instrument for making the earth revolve on its axis" -- why on earth would anyone think we needed one??

I've never had one in my home. But I live in a world where virtually everyone else who can afford one seems to think it's some kind of necessity of life, and I (and future generations and all) get to suffer the consequences of their stupidity. Our economies would probably collapse without personal transportation vehicles, so we probably shouldn't ban them quite yet -- but clothes driers??

The sooner the better. Beat all the clothes drier manufacturing plants into ploughshare factories, and expunge the scourge of this stupid manufactured need from the earth.

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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:24 PM
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3. Just make sure you write in an exception
for government agencies. We wouldn't want them to have to wait for their clothes to dry.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:40 PM
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4. Do you own a hair dryer?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 07:22 PM
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5. Y'know, I think I do.
It's somewhere in the bottom of a drawer in a bathroom, I think. I'd guess that it's 15 years old. I recall using it once in the last year; before that, I couldn't say. I think I probably used as much electricity in that incident as a clothes drier uses in about 10 seconds.

I also take my own bags with me when I go shopping: big blue tarpaulin things with handles that Ikea sells for a buck; I have 20. Resources went into making them, but I'm not constantly using up more disposable bags and then tossing them away to live in the landfill for a few centuries. We grocery shop by car about once every 6 to 8 weeks, and keep the fridge freezers and pantry well stocked with food for that time, while walking to buy fresh veg and missing items in the interim.

Other than that, we use the car maybe once a week, for me to deliver work about 12 blocks away that has to be delivered by hand, or to go out for a load of cat food for our own and the ferals, or maybe just to go buy underwear at the slightly up-market-er Canadian Wal-Mart equivalent (we have Wal-Mart; I don't shop there), trying to look for domestically produced items. Same for produce: I aim for domestically produced.

We put all the cans and bottles and paper products in our household in the recycle. Unfortunately, my irresponsible cost-cutting city council has just gutted what had long been just about the best recycling program on the continent, and I can no longer put my styrofoam meat trays and plastic yogourt containers in the blue box.

I'd prefer not to acquire any of them in the first place, for sure. But I haven't yet figured out how to do that and still keep eating. And still have the time to earn the money I need in order to keep eating. Individuals can't change everything single-handedly, and it isn't entirely unreasonable for me not to want to go live in the forest and live on berries. And the work that I do, to earn the money to buy the food, is of some social value.

We compost kitchen waste. We buy very little in the way of prepared/overpackaged meals. I cook food in batches for freezing (in things like those yogourt containers), to cut down on hydro use, e.g. by cooking several casserole-type dinners in the oven at once, or several meals' worth of rice in one pot. There are no "leftovers" in our house, and certainly not in our garbage: there are, instead, tomorrow's soup or lunch. We eat a moderate amount of meat -- my co-vivant is diabetic and has to go light on those carbs -- and a fair bit of dried bean things.

And we keep the heat below 68F in winter. (Unfortunately, I accepted the govt's shilling to switch to electric baseboard from oil when I bought the house 22 years ago, so it's expensive, but it does mean that we can zone heat a largish house occupied by 2 people, heating only one room at a time.) In summer we run a small single-room air conditioner in the ground floor back room, only when it is otherwise absolutely intolerable (I'm sure you'd be surprised at how many days the temp where I'm at has topped 100F in recent summers, and that's without our horrific humidex), and sleep on the couches downstairs on those occasions. We're not 18 any more, and the heat and humidity can be a bit hard to take.

I don't have an air conditioner in my office, the upper floor of a duplex house. It gets might hot and sticky for a couple of weeks in summer. If I weren't so lazy, I might put one in. As it is, I content myself with sticking my feet in a bucket of cold water. Fortunately, I'm self-employed.

And, on two tiny city lots, I have planted what are now 4 mature trees (three cheap fast-growing birch and a linden), along with several in earlier stages of development (mainly catalpas that volunteer every year from a mature one down the street); urban trees are essential to air quality, not to mention quality of life. I ripped out the lawns, and a bunch of asphalt, in favour of perennial gardens (that require less water than lawns and no chemicals). And a few tomato and pepper plants that are soon going to deluge us and a couple of neighbours with food. The birch trees specifically shade the southwest facing back of the house and help to keep the interior temp down.

Lemme see. We use tepid water for washing clothes (cold for my own, but the co-vivant, who is the laundry-doer, thinks he needs warm) and cold for rinse (in a small portable washer never used unless full). I haven't ironed a thing in several years. The dishes get done every 2 days or so (by hand, could you guess?), both because the c.v. can't do this without making a great big production out of it so he prefers to do it less often, and because this is a more efficient use of the water and electricity resources. The hot water heater is of course set at a moderate temp.

Can't think of anything else that might interest you, but do feel free to ask! Aren't ya glad ya did??


http://www.lead.org/leadnet/footprint/intro.htm

My ecological footprint is 51.4% of the "average American" (I assume USAmerican) footprint. I lose because it's really hard to buy locally-grown in-season produce where I'm at, I'm sure, and because of the "average" size of my house (even though it's heated and cooled very moderately), and because I never take public transportation ... simply because I don't need to go anywhere. ;)

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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 07:57 AM
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6. You're on the right path...
...now work on reducing your use of the washer. People needing clean clothes is just a myth perpetuated by the appliance industry. For that matter daily bathing and shampooing is not necessary either, you're just falling for the media hype.
As for toilet paper; I would suggest , for you because of your constant referral to it, pooping in the park. TP not requried.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 08:07 AM
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7. No ban; every dryer should be equipped with a child-resistant door lock
There is NO reason not to require locks on clothes dryers.

Dryer-grabbing monkey.
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:16 AM
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8. I think we should ban 14yr olds. then we can keep our dryers.
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:49 PM
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9. Wow. What are the annual statistics on dryer killings?
Anywhere near 30,000 per year? No? Then what's the point of your post, exactly?
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 09:23 PM
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10. Well, this is the Justice / Public Safety forum, not just the GunsGunsGuns
forum, right?

I thought having a news story about a Justice / Public Safety issue that didn't involve guns might be nice for a change.

We now return to our regularly scheduled "I'm looking to buy another gun, which should I get?", "I just got back from the range and boy was that fun" and "The AWB doesn't do a damn thing so I'm impatient for it to sunset, then I'll buy a bunch of new guns that I'm not allowed to buy now" threads.
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 10:29 AM
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11. Okay, good for you.
Bad for all the "gun enthusiasts" who heard your post as a dinner-bell for loads of sarcastic crap about dryer controls. The distinction between the danger of guns and the danger of clothes dryers couldn't be clearer, don't you agree, Wonk?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 11:21 AM
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12. I hafta say
I took Wonk's post as a tongue-in-cheek pre-emptive strike, if you will, parodying the oh-so-solemn instances of such bumph (my word for the day) posted by the rkba-nut faction.

They were prompted to issue the call for banning clothes driers, and like the salivating of Pavlov's pit bull, it was done.

When me 'n my tenant had a bit to drink, years ago, we used to take a spare smoke alarm out onto the sidewalk and make it "honk", and then fall on each other in mirth when the moron across the street came running to hang out her second-floor window and see which of her many genteel pals was making a social call, accompanied (in the other window) by her frenzied Doberman who, too, was conditioned to understand the honking of a horn as notice that someone was inviting social intercourse.

Had she called for smoke alarms to be banned because of our pranks and because we wished the ban on her friends' non-emergency horn honking to be enforced, she would have looked a fool.

Okay, maybe the analogy's a little stretched; I just loved the tale so much. But people who respond to tales of clothes drier deaths by facetiously calling for them to be banned, given that they think that they've just made a kill when it comes to the banning of firearms, just don't seem to realize how foolish even such a facetious call makes 'em look, do they? So it's all good fun. ;)

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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:58 PM
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13. Folsk like you are the ones who got
Jarts banned. Damn you all to hell.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:10 PM
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14. Nice try you damn Jart grabber.
We know where you stand on the Jarts issue.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:39 PM
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15. crap, I thought I might sneak by
that little slam... :shrug:
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