the regulation of guns is:

[UpsideDownFlag]

now, here's the idea. say your opinion, and if you disagree with either rkba (or gun control) say it in the poll instead of ripping on each other. I promise to be tame, too.

[MrSandman]

1. Could be common sense...

But in light of laws proposed or adopted since 1968 and the releases of VPC and Brady, I have to say slippery slope.

[thomas82]

16. I think guns laws are..

fine but... Do away with the AWB, allow manufacture of new machine guns , (but still require the $200 registration) and make silencers and over the counter purchase (to keep noise down and save hearing).Also non violent felons can have gun ownership rights restored once their debt to society is paid off (probation etc). This to me would be an ideal gun control model. It has a good balance of control and checks etc.
Tom

[UpsideDownFlag]

25. "make silencers and over the counter purchase.."

to save hearing?? what about, oh i dunno, earplugs?

[FeebMaster]

26. Yeah, we all know the gun control crowd doesn't want

quieter guns. Then they wouldn't be able to try and shut down shooting ranges for being too loud.

[UpsideDownFlag]

27. and we'd like to think that people have the common sense to know

that silencers make for quieter, easy killings. jesus.

i've been to gun ranges, they're pretty well insulated. that's a strawman. the point is that silencers are designed to make a bullet quieter- often for treacherous purposes.

[FeebMaster]

28. Hahah.

Quieter, easy killings. Where do you come up with this stuff? Would you care to link to some news stories about how some criminal got away with murder because he used a silencer or are you still looking for stories about the .50 caliber scourge?


"i've been to gun ranges, they're pretty well insulated. that's a strawman."

Riiiiight. That sort of thing never happens.

http://www.nonoise.org/news/fire.htm


"the point is that silencers are designed to make a bullet quieter- often for treacherous purposes."

Silencers don't make bullets quieter.

[UpsideDownFlag]

29. the sound of the bullet. not the bullet itself.

*sigh*

[FeebMaster]

30. Way to ignore the rest of my post.

Silencers don't affect the sound of the bullet either.

[UpsideDownFlag]

31. you're right. let's hand out silencers to anyone who wants them.

the government should start a 'save your hearing' program.

[FeebMaster]

32. Well I certainly don't support giving them away for free.

Selling them without restriction is sufficient.

[UpsideDownFlag]

33. i think i read an article in Guns and Ammo once saying the same thing

whilst i was having my tires rotated. always good to have a solid source for your talking points, feebster.

[FeebMaster]

34. Nice try.

The old guilt by association is always such an entertaining tactic. I mean, when you've got nothing else, try and accuse someone of reading a magazine or of being in the NRA or something. It's certainly easier than backing up a claim that silencers make murder easy. You need more practice though, I've seen better. You should try and work the NRA into your GBAs, or better yet, the Republican party.

[UpsideDownFlag]

36. feeb, when you say verbatim what wingers have argued for years...

prepare for suspicion.

[FeebMaster]

37. See that was a little better

but you should try and work the NRA into it somehow. Maybe a penis reference or two as well.


So any luck coming up with some links about the .50 caliber scourge or murderers slipping away undetected by using a silencer?

[UpsideDownFlag]

38. what if you were to show me some progressive links supportive of

unrestricted sales of firearms and silencers? i'm not the one spouting talking points contradictory to the party platform.

[FeebMaster]

39. Yeah, sure thing.

I'll be sure to get to that sometime after you show me some links about people being gunned down by .50 caliber rifles and the ease with which murderers escape after using silencers.

I'm wondering which right wingers I sound like. Reagan? Bush the Elder? Bush the Younger? Brady and Brady? Bill O'Reilly? The NRA? I don't see any of them calling for unrestricted sales of firearms and silencers. I see a lot of them calling for and passing more gun control though.

"i'm not the one spouting talking points contradictory to the party platform."

I wouldn't call personal opinions talking points myself. It's not like I'm sitting here with a list of things the NRA told me to say or something. As for the party platform, yeah, there's no disagreement about that here on DU. Clearly I'm the only person who has an opinion contrary to the Holy Platform.

[MrBenchley]

42. I'm wondering which right wingers I sound like

Alan Keyes, for one....

[FeebMaster]

45. I thought we had established that Alan Keyes

isn't gun crazy enough to suit me.

[-..__...]

35. Well...

At least they won't wake up the neighbors.

"that silencers make for quieter, easy killings."

:eyes:

I guess we have one thing in common... I watch the "Movie Channel", too.

[slackmaster]

2. Your choices are not mutually exclusive

It could be both common sense and a slippery slope, and you can regulate mine when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

I have to scurry off now. Heading out for the San Diego Rifle and Revolver Association's annual barbecure and shoot. I might even win a full-auto BB gun or a .17 HMR target rifle in the raffle.

http://www.gunnewsdaily.com/bbqprizelist.html

[goju]

5. LOL, love the pic

Wish I were going, used to live in North County. Have a good time!

[skippythwndrdog]

17. Please, MrB. May I have some tickets? n/t

[MrBenchley]

40. Sure thing, skippy...

hold your breath until they get there....

[skippythwndrdog]

41. Don't you know?

Scum doesn't breathe in human fashion. It's more like osmosis.

In the opinion of some I've no need to hold my breath because I gun owning, gun using scum.

Lucky for me!

[goju]

3. Other

And you werent very "tame" by quoting Heston in your poll, were you? ;)

Some gun control is common sense. But we need a smarter breed of people advocating gun control. What we have now are lunatics with a gun phobia setting policy and spewing propaganda in an area in which they are rabidly biased and overwhelmingly ignorant.

The VPC is nothing but the yang to the NRA's yin. No thanks.

Common sense gun control? Immediate and reliable background checks, then all information gleaned from the applicant is "immediately" destroyed. Trigger locks, cheap and effective means of storing weapons without having to spend a grand on a safe. Thats about all I consider common sense but I AM open to new ideas, if they are actually common sense.

[hansberrym]

4. Other...These are not mutually exclusive choices.

Reasonable regulation of weapons use and ownership is not a violation of the second amendment any more than reasonable regulation of the uses of printing presses, or of speech, is a violation of the first amendment.

There are all sorts of regulations/laws on printed matter to prevent and punish fraud, counterfeiting, false advertising, theft by deception, slander, etc. The first amendment does not provide carte-blanch to say whatever one wants to say, nor does the second amendment give one the right to own any type of weapon, and use it any way, any time one wants to.


The argument that the second amendment supposedly protects a right to own/use any weapon is most often made as a straw argument by the gun grabbing side, in order to lessen support for the RKBA.

The individual RKBA interpretation of the second amendment is not an impediment to reasonable regulation any more than an individual rights interpretation of the first amendment is an impediment to preventing fraud or counterfeiting.

[goju]

7. Well said Mike

But be careful with all that "common sense" down here, people will get confused ;)

[mstrsplinter326]

6. no one has the right to cop killer bullets et al n/t

[goju]

8. Whats that?

What are cop killer bullets?

[mstrsplinter326]

9. bullets capable of piercing body armor

things of that nature are out of control

[goju]

10. Well then

That would include my 22 wouldnt it. Look into these cop killer bullets, designed by cops, for cops. Nothing any high powered rifle cartridge wouldnt do.

[mstrsplinter326]

11. that's like equating rifles with bow and arrow

cause they both can kill deer.

not debating this.

have fun!

[goju]

12. Well you got one thing right

You ARENT debating. You are regurgitating VPC bile.

In case you didnt bother to look into it, so called "cop killer" bullets were designed by a cop for the purpose of penetrating hard targets like windshields. The only difference really is their teflon coating, which is used to reduce barrel wear.

My 22 can penetrate most vests as can many "deer" calibers. The odd thing though, is that criminals DONT use so called cop killer bullets. It might sound crazy to you but, criminals dont go picking fights with cops.

You have been subject to the VPC brainwashing. Please educate yourself, we need well intentioned and informed citizens.

[UpsideDownFlag]

13. better to be 'brainwashed' by VPC bile than to regurgitate

the bile spewed by the NRA.

[-..__...]

20. Let's forget the NRA for a moment... shall we?

"better to be 'brainwashed' by VPC bile than to regurgitate..."

You think you're somehow in a better position to accept the "facts" or "arguments" of one special interest group over another?

[MrBenchley]

43. Anybody pretending the NRA is "just another" special interest group

given its board of directors, it's ugly history, and its ideological bent, is either woefully uninformed or deliberately trying to hide the character of that right wing lunatic asylum...

[goju]

23. Im not surprised

Many people prefer the brainwashing route. Less effort I guess. But I prefer to think for myself. I know thats an uncomfortable notion to many gun grabbers but, I just seem to make better decisions when I do.

I feel for you though. I know a few repubes who feel the same way about rush limbaugh.

[slackmaster]

44. False dichotomy

It happens all the time here - Anyone who criticizes an extremist gun control advocacy group or individual gets automatically accused of regurgitating NRA propaganda.

There is middle ground, there are gray areas, and there are personal opinions that thoughtful individuals have come to on their own.

On edit: Most of us here are intelligent and thoughtful enough to know when we're being handed a bag of BS. The issue is black and white, Us vs. Them thinking.

[Jack_DeLeon]

15. So you support the banning of rifles?

because most bullets fired from rifles will penetrate most body armor.

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

21. The already illegal handgun AP bullets

Should we make them more illegal?

[FeebMaster]

14. Pointless

other than for keeping guns out of the hands of the law abiding. Although, that is admittedly sometimes the goal.

[Endangered Specie]

18. "Logical", as Spock would say.

[-..__...]

19. Worf would disagree.

But, even Spock knew his limitations when he was beamed down to an inhospitable neighborhood.



Question: If he's so bright, why does he have his finger on the trigger?

[goju]

22. LOL

"Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end"

Spock was wise

[-..__...]

24. Next thing you know...

we'll be seeing Yoda quotes...

"Hmmmmmm, I foresee grave danger in the flooding of streets with Uzis and AK-47's". "Darth Nugent and the RKBA Empire corrupt they are". "Of the children we must think". "Be tempted not young gun-grabber by the dark side of the GOA".