30 Glocks stolen in Australia

[Procopius]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,7161925%255E1702,00.html

[rooboy]

1. Well...

last week we had 2 computers stolen from a high security area at Sydney Airport, a laptop stolen from our transport dept and now 30 Glocks.

All we need now are a bunch of swarthy guys and a skyscraper...

[shatoga]

2. Just pass a law saying they must turn in those guns

Americans who think our nation can be disarmed by merely passing more laws will help fund your effort.

Just ask them here.

They are naive (or stupid) enough to believe America's criminals will automatically obey the law.
Maybe they are naive enough to send you money.

Anyone who believes disarming honest people will somehow disarm criminals can't be very bright to begin with!

[1a2b3c]

4. Umm

:-)

[Pert_UK]

6. Another quality example of deductive logic.....

Step One - State an absurd and patently stupid suggestion
Step Two - Claim that this is what your opponent believes
Step Three-Ridicule your opponent for their ludicrous beliefs.

Nice work! Did you consider joining a debating society?

:eyes:

Nobody (with a brain) is claiming that laws alone achieve anything. They need to be enforced or they're not worth the paper they're written on.

What some gun control people are saying, is that in addition to better enforcement, there needs to be tighter legislation to prevent weapons being used for illegal purposes. For example, in some states there is little legislation around appropriate storage for firearms, and many loopholes that allow the selling of weapons without sensible background checks.

There's not a lot of point in having a law that says "Criminals can't legally buy guns" if you then have lax rules about selling them at gun shows and people leaving guns in the sock drawer.

P.

[DoNotRefill]

7. hehehe.....

"What some gun control people are saying, is that in addition to better enforcement, there needs to be tighter legislation to prevent weapons being used for illegal purposes."

Well, according to the article, the guns were all locked in a vault. The person guarding the vault was apparently unarmed, because the guns had to be stored in the vault. When the guard was overpowered by superior numbers, he apparently refused to be tortured to death and instead gave them the keys/combination to the vault. Imagine that!!!

This just goes to show what happens when you pass laws so strict that even the guy guarding the guns can't carry them...

[Pert_UK]

8. Are you making things up?

I read the article. No reference at all to whether the guard was armed or not - are you assuming that he wasn't armed, simply because he was overpowered?

He might well have been armed, but surprised by a group of attackers, one of whom already had a gun pointed at him. In which case, the robbers would have had ONE MORE gun to take with them.

Even if he wasn't armed, that's not really relevant - according to the article this was a guy locking the facility for the night, rather than someone standing guard over it for a shift. I don't think that Australia routinely arms its security men in such instances.

"This just goes to show what happens when you pass laws so strict that even the guy guarding the guns can't carry them..."

As mentioned - 1) you don't know he wasn't armed, 2) he wasn't guarding the guns 3) I believe that you don't know whether Australian laws prevented him being armed (although this may be the case) 4) even if he HAD been armed, there's no reason to suppose that he wouldn't have been overpowered (or simply killed upfront) anyway.

I think that I'll add 5)........this is Australia, and my comments were clearly in relation to Shatoga's comments about the USA.

You can't always stop a determined bunch of criminals from doing what they want to do - it seems odd to conclude from this incident that laws have failed and that a gun would have stopped it.

I have to logout now, I'm at a new job and don't want to get fired....

P.

[Pert_UK]

5. It wasn't me....Rooboy, was it you? If so, can you lend me one?

:evilgrin:

P.

[LastDemInIdaho]

3. Australia forgot to ban the act of stealing guns

Australia may need to toughen up their gun laws a bit.