how many own guns

[colt_5_5_6]

how many members own guns and what kind if they do? Not a political question just straight forward do you or dont you and what kind if you do.

I have a remington 870 12ga and a .22 ruger

[rkc3]

1. 1 rifle - 30-06 and a Matthews Solo Cam set at 72 pounds

Oh Yeah, and an AK-47 for squirrel huntin'.

[atreides1]

2. I Do

I own a Ruger 9mm, and plan to pick up a rifle now that the AWB has died.

[Historic NY]

13. me too

2- Glock 40 cal.
3- Brown Bess flintlock muskets (1 original 1777 model)
1- 1780 flintlock pocket pistol
2- 1760 flintlock cavalry pistols
1- SW 357
1- SW 38
1- SW 9mm
1- Mossburg shotgun
1- Winchester 30-40 John Wayne rifle

And a partridge in a pear tree. Most of these were for work or hobby.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

3. I don't

but I'm considering moving to the woods and might get a shotgun then. Believe it or not, I've seen way too many BIG rattlesnakes in Pennsylvania.

[SotarrTheWizard]

9. . . .gotta worry about the Two-legged Rattlesnakes. . .

. . .especially ones with Bush-Cheney stickers on their SUV's }(

[skippythwndrdog]

20. Good idea because the Eastern Diamondback is far more

poisonous that its western relatives.

[Kierkegaard]

4. I have a Ruger P89 9mm pistola...

A civil war musket previously owned by my great grandfather and a turn of the century 16ga Batavia Leader dbl barrel shotgun from my grandfather.

[freetobegay]

5. 6

2 357's

2 shot guns

2 AR15's

One for me & one for my hubby.

[Semi_subversive]

6. 12 -ga. pump shotgun

[SotarrTheWizard]

7. 1 Shotgun

Mossberg 810 12-gauge Pumper.

[napi21]

8. I have about 8 of 'em.

2 shotguns
270
30 06
22
222
antique damascus barrel shotgun
38 snub nose

Rarely use any of them anymore. Just don't have much chance to do any hunting.

[Worst Username Ever]

10. HK USP .40, ruger 10/22, 2 black powder colts, 1890 side-by-side shotgun

[Rjnerd]

11. No guns, but...

Part owner of a siege engine. See Mista Ballista

CATAPULTUM HABEO
NISI PECUNIAM OMNEM
MIHI DABIS, AD CAPUT TUUM
SAXUM IMMANE MITTAM

(edit: repeat after me, I before E...)

[colt_5_5_6]

12. i before e execpt for me

:P

[anonymous44]

15. mossberg 500 persuader and amd-65

[slackmaster]

14. Ruger 10/22 and a .38 Special revolver

:argh:

A Smith & Wesson, naturally.

[goju]

16. Too many to list

Of particular interest though, I have a pair of Peacemakers that I am especially fond of. I used to shoot them, when I was younger and dumber, now they sit in a display box I built. Not sure of the value but they are priceless to me.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. Don't own any now,

but if * wins, I'm thinking of buying one and holing up in Montana for the next 15 years or so. Live off the land, like Kazinsky, but without the mail bombs.

[NorthernSpy]

18. old shotgun, but I don't really own it

I don't know what kind it is. It doesn't seem to have a brand name on it, or anything.

It's not really mine, either. I'd have to give it back if its real owner cared about it.

If I wanted to fire it, I'd have to find that part that slides out above the trigger (not sure what it's called). It's around here someplace -- just have to find it.

Should probably clean it up, or something. The wood part is kind of pretty and has a nice grain.


Mary

[enfield collector]

19. here's the list

Sten semi
Sterling mk6
FAL
AR15
AK47
BHP
Model 66
PPK
P99
P22
10/22
3 SMLE
a couple of shotguns.

[alwynsw]

21. Let's just say that there are over 100 listed on my insurance rider. n/t

[iverglas]

22. I think it's been said before ...

... but it bears repeating.

Here are all these RKBA-heads who would defy any law that required them to register their possession of any firearm, because that would be the first step to confiscation (or something) ...

... merrily listing them off in cyberspace, apparently operating under some delusion that they are protected by Klingon technology, and that nobody who wanted to know who and where they (and their guns) are would ever be able to find out ...


Such simple, trusting souls they are.

[NorthernSpy]

24. maybe they are politically vigilant...

... without being personally paranoid?


:shrug:


Mary

[iverglas]

25. well

"maybe they are politically vigilant...
... without being personally paranoid?"

... if you see any evidence to support that theory, be sure to point it out!

[MrSandman]

27. BATman probably peruses this board daily...nt

[brothermak]

39. funny

I dont see any real proof of ownership.

No serial numbers.
Nothing stating where they were purchased
Nothing about what state(s) they are in now.
Nothing about how they were purchased. FFL / Private sale

Just a list..could be BS for all I know
-BM

[iverglas]

46. uh ... and your point was?

"I dont see any real proof of ownership.
No serial numbers.
Nothing stating where they were purchased
Nothing about what state(s) they are in now.
Nothing about how they were purchased. FFL / Private sale"

And ... so?

My point was that the RKBA-heads here (claim to) object to registration of firearms because they don't want the big bad gummint knowing they got guns -- 'cause one day that big bad gummint is gonna come and try to take their guns away. Not because they don't want the big bad gummint knowing where they bought their guns, or what the serial number is, or whatever.

(And if you don't think that the gummint knows what location they, and pretty obviously their guns, are in now ... well, there's an option listed below that seems to apply.)

If I owned guns and objected to the gummint knowing I got guns, I sure as heck wouldn't be claiming to own an arsenal of 'em on an internet board.

So I deduce.

I deduce that

- they don't got guns at all ("could be BS for all I know")
- they're really dumb
- they're just dumb enough that the urge to brag about all the guns they got overcomes what common sense they have
- they know bloody well that they're no threat to the gummint (even if they wanted to be, which is a whole 'nother matter) and that the gummint doesn't give a shit how many guns they got and in fact doesn't take a whit of interest in them (thus negating any validity their objection to the gummint having a record of their guns might have had)

... or ... some other possibility I haven't thought of.

[NorthernSpy]

47. if gunowners became secretive about their gun ownership...

... they would ultimately delegitimize gun ownership. Far from protecting the RKBA, such secrecy* would in fact undercut their own political power, because the other side would find it far easier to promote memes that stigmatize gun owners and gun collecting. You know: 'if they have to sneak around, they must be doing something wrong'; 'if they're so paranoid that they have to hide a legal activity, then maybe they're too crazy to be trusted with guns' -- that sort of thing.

I deduce that

- they don't got guns at all ("could be BS for all I know")
- they're really dumb
- they're just dumb enough that the urge to brag about all the guns they got overcomes what common sense they have
- they know bloody well that they're no threat to the gummint (even if they wanted to be, which is a whole 'nother matter) and that the gummint doesn't give a shit how many guns they got and in fact doesn't take a whit of interest in them (thus negating any validity their objection to the gummint having a record of their guns might have had)

... or ... some other possibility I haven't thought of.

A culture of secrecy would likely harm the political power of the pro-RKBA movement. It is far easier to ban/interfere with a stigmatized activity than a non-stigmatized activity. And activities that are carried out in secret are often easier to stigmatize than are activities that are carried out proudly, in public, and on the actor's own terms.

I mean, it just seems kind of obvious. You must have thought of it, surely.


Mary


* if it became a widespread, cultural norm among gun owners. Some individuals are temperamentally secretive. I don't mean to imply that everyone must tell the world all about the contents of his gun collection. Just that one way we can tell that the pro-RKBA movement is politically powerful is that people who want to talk about their gun ownership feel perfectly comfortable doing so.

(added clarification)

[iverglas]

50. mm hmm

"A culture of secrecy would likely harm the political power of the pro-RKBA movement. It is far easier to ban/interfere with a stigmatized activity than a non-stigmatized activity. And activities that are carried out in secret are often easier to stigmatize than are activities that are carried out proudly, in public, and on the actor's own terms.

I mean, it just seems kind of obvious. You must have thought of it, surely.

Not specifically, because it doesn't really relate to what I was talking about -- boasting on the internet about firearms ownership, by people who claim to object to public registration of their firearms on the ground that they don't want the authorities knowing they have firearms.

But I don't see your proposed option as being incompatible with the one I obviously favoured in my own list, in any event:

- they know bloody well that they're no threat to the gummint (even if they wanted to be, which is a whole 'nother matter) and that the gummint doesn't give a shit how many guns they got and in fact doesn't take a whit of interest in them (thus negating any validity their objection to the gummint having a record of their guns might have had)


... activities that are carried out in secret are often easier to stigmatize than are activities that are carried out proudly, in public, and on the actor's own terms.

Interesting, that last bit. "On the actor's own terms". Strikes me that insisting on setting and adhering to one's own terms for anything one does, rather than accepting that there are others who are entitled to a say and agreeing to abide by what they say, is as likely to get one "stigmatized".

For instance, quite a few people who don't normally give a thought to the whole business of firearms, or have opinions about people who own them, seem to get rather put out when said owners show up in the local fast-food restaurant festooned in the things.

I'd say that acceptance of (and adherence to) the terms that a society imposes on many activities is much more likely to enhance the legitimacy of the activity in the eyes of much of the public.

[MrSandman]

52. Since I possess both a CHL and firearm hunting license...

Issued by the .gov, not hard to deduce that I am a gunowner. :P

And those UPS boxes with "Munitions" labels kind of gives it away.

Oh, yeah, there are the Credit Card receipts from "Guns-R-Us."

Still doesn't mean I want the state to have an inventory of my ordnance.

[anonymous44]

53. yes, someone in fbi is tracking our ip's at this moment

come on give me a break. even if they did, my ip is changing everyday. i'm sure that they have better things to worry about than illegally registering us on DU. even if they did obtain our info somehow and ceased the guns, it wouldn't hold in the court because it was obtained illegally.

[Wickerman]

74. Actually, all they would have to do is label you potential terra-ist

and the Patriot Act would shield whatever nonsense they do. If you value gun rights you really only have one choice - Kerry and the repeal of the unPatriotic Act.

[anonymous44]

81. i know

Btw, can a president, alone, repeal patriot act via executive order or something or will he need a congress for that in some way?

Does anybody know?

[Wickerman]

86. Can't be positive

and too lazy to use my suddenly slow interent to look, but I think exec ordres can be rescinded by same. Seems Bush* did that to some of Clinton's final bits.

[brothermak]

61. ok

"And ... so?

My point was that the RKBA-heads here (claim to) object to registration of firearms because they don't want the big bad gummint knowing they got guns -- 'cause one day that big bad gummint is gonna come and try to take their guns away. Not because they don't want the big bad gummint knowing where they bought their guns, or what the serial number is, or whatever."

So other than the irrefutable evidence of an internet message board there really is nothing for an investigation to go on. Rock solid evidence! Good luck getting a search warrant with that Kojak. I guess if its on the internet its gospel.

"- they're really dumb"
Well, if they were that far down the path of stupidity they probably would just give an address of where the 'JBT' can pick up their firearms. Why sell them short?

"- they know bloody well that they're no threat to the gummint (even if they wanted to be, which is a whole 'nother matter) and that the gummint doesn't give a shit how many guns they got and in fact doesn't take a whit of interest in them (thus negating any validity their objection to the gummint having a record of their guns might have had)"

Say it with me.... "government". Unless your talking about Wrigleys Spearmint.

-BM

[iverglas]

62. c'mon, catch up now

Feel free to wander on up to where I am, and talk about what I'm talking about, any time you feel like it.

"I guess if its on the internet its gospel."

I believe I disposed of that quibble pre-emptively, when I offered this option to explain the behaviour in question:

they don't got guns at all ("could be BS for all I know").

"So other than the irrefutable evidence of an internet message board there really is nothing for an investigation to go on. Rock solid evidence! Good luck getting a search warrant with that Kojak."

Who the fuck is talking about investigations and search warrants?

I'm talking about the self-proclaimed paranoids who claim to be persuaded that if they ever registered their possession of firearms with a public authority, the dreaded revenooers would soon be blasting down their doors to take them away -- because registration is the first step to confiscation.

THEY wouldn't register their guns, because THEY believe that the real purpose of requiring them to register their guns is to facilitate the subsequent confiscation of those guns.

I have made no suggestion that the firearms that people have claimed to own in this thread are not legally in their possession, having been purchased through legal channels by persons legally entitled to possess them.

I have made no suggestion that the information in this thread could be used to facilitate investigations of offences committed under existing laws in the US.

I have jeered and snickered at the eagerness of anyone who would refuse to register his/her possession of firearms because the real motive for requiring registration is to facilitate confiscation, and yet who gleefully offers the same information to the world at large on an internet board that, yes, is undoubtedly read from time to time by people of the government variety, and whose owners can, yes, be required to disclose source information (if said government types really can't just get it for themselves).

And the point, which you may have missed, is that I have never believed in the bona fides of anyone who claimed to oppose registration on the ground that s/he believed it would lead to confiscation -- and that threads like this do nothing to shake that belief.

they know bloody well that they're no threat to the gummint (even if they wanted to be, which is a whole 'nother matter) and that the gummint doesn't give a shit how many guns they got and in fact doesn't take a whit of interest in them (thus negating any validity their objection to the gummint having a record of their guns might have had)

... the point being, in addition to the fact that I do not accept the bona fides of their stated belief, that I know of nothing that would make me believe that people who proclaim this silly belief actually are or would be in opposition to any government of the tyrannical variety about which they cry these cries of "wolf".

I do hope that it's all clearer to you now ... and of course that you will be with us for a good long time and we can enjoy more of these jolly chats.

[TX-RAT]

49. Can only speak for myself

All but 2 of my guns were purchase through Licensed dealers. Those 2 were gifts from my Grandfather and Father. Insurance provider has list of all serial numbers, make and model.
I don't buy from unlicensed individuals. I think all sales should go through licensed dealers, even private.

[FatSlob]

23. Lots

Rock River AR15 style .223
AK47 style 7.62x39
SW 66 .357Mag
Taurus 85 .38spl
Kahr PM9 9mm
Springfield XD9 9mm
" " " " XD9SC 9mm
" " " " XD40 .40
Glock 23 .40
Remington 1187 12ga
Remington 870 12ga
Remington 11 12ga
Winchester 12 12ga
Mauser 8mm
Keltec p32 .32ACP
Iver Johnson Super Sealed 8 .22
Ruger Single Six .22
Davis Derringer .22mag
Berretta 92 Decocker 9mm
FN FAL .308
Ruger 10/22 .22
Ruger 22/45 .22
Browning Auto 5 12ga
Sears and Roebuck Ranger .22
Mossberg pump 12 gauge
Another AR15 style .223

[NorthernSpy]

26. holy smoke!

In the news, collections like that always get called 'arsenals'.


When police entered the home to question the owner about his overdue library books, they uncovered an extensive arsenal...

[slackmaster]

30. And a humble stock of ammunition is "THOUSANDS of rounds"

:argh:

[NorthernSpy]

31. ...and they spread out all the guns & ammo on a big white sheet...

... and stand around it looking solemn while the cameras roll.

I especially like it when they collect all the kitchen knives and stuff and use them to fill out the shot.

[enfield collector]

32. 2 bricks of .22RF is "thousands of rounds"

[FatSlob]

34. Fourteen thousand rounds and counting...

.22 is not included in that count.

[slackmaster]

35. That's about what I have right now

I'm running desperately low on .22 LR. Will probably order about 5,000 rounds of it.

Maybe right now.

[alwynsw]

37. Add me to the munitions list.

I just ordered 20 more 50 cal ammo cans for storage of ammo.

Been having great results from Aguilla 22lr so I ordered 2 cases to have on hand. I usually get all my handgun ammo in lots of 1,000 rounds or more - some in 5,000 round lots. Shot shells by the case.

It's handier that way.

[MrSandman]

38. Makes it easier to keep track of mainteneance schedules...nt

[enfield collector]

40. I reload most of my pistol rounds, even though 9mm is so

cheap right now, I find it very relaxing. I have to reload .303 since it's getting hard to come by.

[alwynsw]

44. Ain't that the truth!

The $19.95 Dymo label maker is a real help as well. (You know. The newer tyle that uses either paper or thin plasticised tape.) No more guessing what's in each can because the old style plastic label tape got pressed flat or fell off.

[MrSandman]

36. I'd worry more about...

39 rounds but no pistol.

[Dukkha]

42. You sure do like the .22 and 12GA

I'm a 5.56mm fan myself
that and the .45ACP

[FatSlob]

43. I've got two of those two...my AR15 styles.

[JeebusB]

51. Uhhhhh... heheh

Those are .22s too. ;)

[mosin]

54. Davis?

Davis Derringer .22mag

Please tell me that you've never fired this piece of junk? How did it end up in what is otherwise a collection of nice firearms?

[slackmaster]

58. Destined to be a classic some day

Any collector would be glad to have a French Chauchat machine gun or even a humble Iver-Johnson top-break .32 revolver. Neither of those were considered more than junk when they were brand new.

Any OLD gun that still works has some historical value.

[TX-RAT]

59. Never had a Davis

I did carry a High-Standard derringer as a backup for many years. took the grips off, very thin.

[John BigBootay]

28. Yes.

M1 Garand
M1 Carbine
Winchester 1897 (12 ga.)
Winchester Model 68 (.22)
Colt 1911 (Dad's piece from Viet Nam)
S & W 5" .357
S & W 3" .38 hammerless

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

29. A few

Bushmaster XM15E2S - 5.56x45(AR-15)
Global Trades SSR-85C - 7.62x39 (AKS)
Century CETME - 7.62x51 NATO (G3 Predecessor)
TWO Mod. 96 Swedish Mausers - 6.5x55 Swedish
Remington Mohawk 600 - .243 Winchester
Remington Police Detachable Magazine (PDM/PSS) - .308 Winchester
Ruger 10/22 - .22 Long Rifle
Remington Black Diamond - .22 Long Rifle
Marlin 336 - .30-30 Winchester
Type 56 SKS - 7.62x39

Remington 870 (pump action)- 12 Guage (3 1/2" chamber)
Beretta ES-100 Pintail (semi auto)- 12 Guage (3" chamber)
Stevens Double Barrel - .410 Guage

Dan Wesson .357 Magnum revolver
Dan Wesson .44 Magnum revolver
F.I.E Super Titan II - .380 ACP
Glock 20 - 10mm
Beretta 92FS - 9mm
Browning Hipower - 9mm
Norinco 1911 - .45 ACP
Astra A-100 - .45 ACP
North American Arms Mini Revolver - .22 Long Rifle

[Scout]

33. I do

I own a shotgun, and my husband owns two rifles, a shotgun and a muzzle loader; also a 357 long barrel handgun.

We are both proficient with all of them, although I never hunt.

[Dukkha]

41. M4 Carbine

a Bushmaster I built myself

[TX-RAT]

45. Too many to list

Mostly o/u and side by side shotguns, all Winchesters
5 bolt rifles, 2 are my old bench rest rifles
11 colt single actions, at this time
and quite a collection of old Browning Hi-Powers
2 Ruger Single actions
Couple of Sig autos
3 Smith revolvers, all old 5 screw
I'm sure i missed a few.

[streakr]

48. As a Cowboy Action Shooter...

I own alot of guns, including single action revolvers (original and reproductions), lever action action rifles, single shot black powder, double sxs shotguns and other unusual types of firearms. Many are antique, e.g. made before 1898. I shoot all of them and load my own ammunition (except rimfires)to reduce pressure and preserve them. I own a few modern pieces but fewer than I did before I discovered CAS.

10 single action revolvers including 3 made before 1888
9 lever action rifles in pistol and rifle calibers
8 shotguns (3 SxS, 4 hammer pump and 1 autoloader)
7 single shot rifles up to 45-90
6 pump action rifles
5 22 caliber rifles (bolt and 10-22s)
4 pump action rifles
3 auto pistols (1911's and a Glock)
2 Ruger Mk 11
and a partridge in a pear tree!

streakr

[mosin]

55. 23 firearms

Theoretically, I have...
9 handguns
8 bolt-action rifles
4 semi-automatic rifles
1 pump-shotgun
1 semi-automatic shotgun

I'll probably exploit the gun show loophole and get rid of all of them this weekend in a series of private sales, so don't bother writing anything down....

[Romulus]

60. firearms? what firearms?

:evilgrin:

[12ss1kp]

56. Do you

Have them registered?:o

[MrSandman]

57. Don't expect a quick answer....

I don't have them registered.

[12ss1kp]

63. I thought

it was required isn't the gov't supposed to have a file on gun owners. I think htey should those freeper psychos are gonna blow their lid some day.

[MrSandman]

68. Why should the government have a file on me???

And what does that need have to do with psychos?

[j_carters_neighbor]

64. I would rather die than own a gun

TO many people have been killed by gun violence in this country to even consider owning one of those things! If you want a gun so bad go join the Army, where all of the other chicken hawks should go, they will let you go visit a place where guns are actually needed in a society to repel foreign invaders.

[Extremist]

101. HA!

This seems like a good time to quote one of my friends...

Look!....my colt revolver just moved...I think its about to commit a double homicide!

Guns dont just get up and kill people, people have to pull the trigger.

[Columbia]

65. I think I got a Super Soaker laying around here somewhere

Helps to keep cool during the hot summer days.

[grannylib]

66. .22 rifle; used for target shooting and sometimes deer hunting. Prefer bow

hunting, it's quieter and more challenging.

[ROC]

97. Is it legal

anywhere to use a .22 to hunt deer? Texas doesn't allow it.

[TX-RAT]

102. Not any state that i know of.

22 caliber center-fires are legal in some states.

[BigDaddyCaine]

67. guns are only designed to kill

Therefore i have many

[iverglas]

75. well hey

"guns are only designed to kill"

FatSlob finally found someone to talk to.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=90062&mesg_id=90062

"My response to any who would say, 'Guns are only good for killing'."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=90062&mesg_id=90614&page=

[jody]

69. The "unorganized militia" should own either a M-16 rifle or M-9 pistol

In a seminal case on the Second Amendment, SCOTUS noted:

UNITED STATES v. MILLER, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)

QUOTE
In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense. Aymette v. State of Tennessee, 2 Humph., Tenn., 154, 158.
UNQUOTE

QUOTE
The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.
UNQUOTE

Following SCOTUS' observation, the "unorganized militia", consisting of about 100 million men and women, when called to duty by the governor of their states, should be expected to report with either a M-16 rifle and/or M-9 pistol supplied by themselves. The M-16 rifle and M-9 pistol are standard arms in common use by U.S. armed forces.


Of course the militia is defined by law, see:
USC TITLE 10 § 311 Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

[mosin]

89. Alternatives

If I have an AR-15 and a Beretta 92 (M-9), am I covered? I can't really afford an actual civilian legal M-16.

[jody]

92. I would think so. My point was the unorganized militia has the

responsibility to equip itself with arms comparable to those used by active duty troops.

[iverglas]

94. a question from the outer darkness

US Supreme Court:

The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.

jody:

Following SCOTUS' observation, the "unorganized militia", consisting of about 100 million men and women, when called to duty by the governor of their states, should be expected to report with either a M-16 rifle and/or M-9 pistol supplied by themselves. The M-16 rifle and M-9 pistol are standard arms in common use by U.S. armed forces.

and now Jody again:

"My point was the unorganized militia has the responsibility to equip itself with arms comparable to those used by active duty troops."

And the question.

The US SC said that these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves ....

jody says that the today's militia in the US has the responsibility to equip itself with arms comparable to those used by active duty troops.

We see the difference? The US SC was speaking in the past tense; jody is speaking in the present tense. And the US SC speaks of people being "expected" to do something; jody speaks of them having a "responsibility" to do something. Hmm; dissonance.

The authority for the US SC's statement seems to be history: it is a statement of fact that a certain expectation, of certain people, existed.

Q: what is the authority for the statement that today's militia in the US has a responsibility to possess a certain type of firearms ... or anything at all, for that matter?

And, assuming that this responsibility is established, a further Q: to whom is this responsibility owed, and how is it enforced?

Are there criminal penalties for failing to perform this duty? If so, to whom should one be ratting on the many people who are apparently failing to perform it?

Is there mere civil liability for breach of it? And who has standing to seek a remedy for breach of this duty?

Will someone help me out here?

[rot0r_head]

70. Mine are close to my heart...

AR-15 (custom built off Rock River Arms receivers)
Mini-30 (Ruger)
870 Express (Remington)
1903A3 (Remington)
10/22 (Ruger)

[solinvictus]

71. Warsaw Pact surplus...

A Zastava SKS and a Tokarev pistol with a good supply of ammunition for each.

[Wonk]

72. Did they protect you from being tombstoned? Apparently not. nt

[Buster43]

73. I have

to numerous to mention but it is a substantial collection of all types.

[MacDo]

76. I got some

Why you want to know?

[kiowia]

77. i did have some...

until i went fishing the other day and they all fell overboard!:cry:

[MacDo]

78. Funny

same thing happened to me once. Never quite got over it. Sorry about your loss

[kiowia]

79. thanks

i just can't bring myself to go fishing again,just the thought of losing them brings a tear to my eye.:cry:

[slackmaster]

87. I'm sure the fish appreciate it

:argh:

[pen]

80. Boating accident

I used to have one, but I lost it in a boating accident. :(

[iverglas]

82. oh no!

Not while fishing on the Dnipro river, perchance?

[pen]

83. Perchance, it wasn't.

I was leisurely rafting down the Rebmik river in Fl. Close to my house actually, when splash, there it went. I could probably find it, but I think I will just leave it there for now.

[iverglas]

84. that's okay

I'm sure somebody got it.

[getoffmytrain]

85. Yes..

AK's, AR-15's, Shotguns, .45's, SKS's, 9mm's, Mosin-Nagant's, m1 carbine, a few model 94's, and a few other things.

[jtb33]

88. I am a collector...

I don't hunt, and only occasionally go target shooting. I mostly collect military-style firearms. I have over 20 rifles and a dozen handguns... various AR15's, AK-47 variants, FAL's, M1A, SIG's, Glocks, a Beretta, Walther's, HK's, and yes, some revolvers and .22 rifles and handguns.

Of course, I did lose ALL my firearms in a tragic accident and they are all sitting at the bottom of the ocean. :( ;)

[icehouse]

90. All I own is a......

10/22 and a 38. They have served me wellover the years. :)

[-..__...]

93. 10/22 and a .38?

Not very good for hunting Zombies.

[RobFalman]

96. I also have A 10/22 and a 38

I lost the rest of my guns when I was fishing when the boat tiped over

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[Zuni]

95. I am a gun owner

I own a several Mausers (one a nazi 98K with swastika still on the barrel), a British Lee-Enfield Rifle 4, A Soviet Moisin Nagant M-1944 carbine w/ attached bayonet and a real cruddy Chinese SKS copy. I also own a bolt action .22 and a semi-auto .22 rifle.

[number6]

98. own guns ? (weapons) yes

many, and they say Liberals hate guns :shrug:

[dljordan]

99. How many guns?

About 30 now, although I've recenlty sold a few. What would you expect from a Scots-Irish Southerner though? I guite frankly don't trust any government no matter what they promise you or how loudly the proclaim their desire to "save the children". They only want one thing.. Control. It doesn't matter what kind of administration is in power it's still a freakin' police state.

[jody]

100. More than your wildest dreams! n/t

[kgchis]

103. I own

I own a 20 gauge pump. I'm from a hunting family.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

104. never will n/t

[Factoid]

105. Quite a few...

Ishapor/Enfield no 2A1 bolt action in .308,
Mauser 98 (full length) in 8mm,
Mauser 98K (Karabiner) in 8mm,
Mosin-Nagant M-44 in 7.62x54R,
Weatherby Vanguard in .223,
AR-15 16" CAR in .223,
Remington 1100 in 12ga 2 3/4",
Colt Commander Aluminum frame in .45acp,
and several .22's.