Can you identify these assault weapons?

[Lefty48197]

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F)


G)


Doesn't it give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside to know that the NRA's favorite candidate George W. Bush has seen to it that the Iraqi children are able to enjoy the "freedom" that goes along with assault weapons ownership?

[skippythwndrdog]

1. Here's my identifications.

A. Avtomat Kalishnikov 1945 or variant
B. Kid has an AK or variant, can't tell with adult
C. A mighty big gun for a little kid. Looks like an FAL variant.
D. 40mm grenade launcher, definitely not an "assault weapon" by any accepted definition.
E. RPG or similar, definitely not an "assault weapon" by any accepted definition.
F. AK variant with triangular spike bayonet and rare polymer magazine.
G. I seen an AK, RPG, and an FAL, unable to identify others.

[lenidog]

2. Here they are

A = Ak-47

B= Kid- AK-47 Adult- PK Machinegun

B= G-3 Battle Rifle

D= M-49 Grenade Launcher

E= LAWS rocket

F= Chinese Copy of an AK-47 you can tell because they still have the bayonets permanently attached

G= RPG-7 and G-3 rifle.


Well armed bunch of kids aren't they?

[Columbia]

3. None of them are AW

According to the 1994 AWB.

[Torque67]

4. Looks like

the kids in photos a and b need a swift lesson in muzzle control.

[Krinkov]

5. i wonder what the adults would say

"Doesn't it give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside to know that the NRA's favorite candidate George W. Bush has seen to it that the Iraqi children are able to enjoy the "freedom" that goes along with assault weapons ownership?"

i imagine if you asked the adults they would consider themselves more free like this, armed and resisting, than peaceful and 'under the boot' US control. If not, why fight?
Or don't you think people have the right to resist invaders?


And none of these weapons have ever been legal for the general public to posess in the US. EVER. (none had even been invented prior to 1936 when the NFA went into effect)

[benEzra]

6. None of them are "assault weapons"...

since they are all REAL NFA Class III items, not civilian lookalikes.

I see several AK-47's, what looks to be an AK-74, a FN-FAL or similar, a grenade launcher, and I'm not sure what the rocket launcher is.

[Lefty48197]

12. Well, now I'm REALLY confused

The gun nuts have been telling us here in the dungeon that the weapons regulated by the AWB weren't even assault weapons at all. They told us that a weapon HAD to be fully auto, or select-fire to be classified as an assault weapon. Now, you're telling me that the Class III are NOT assault weapons, and that only the civilian lookalikes are actual assault weapons.

[slackmaster]

15. No

They told us that a weapon HAD to be fully auto, or select-fire to be classified as an assault weapon.

Anyone who said that was misusing the term "assault weapon". Given the huge effort that the gun ban crowd has put into blurring the distinction between semiautomatic and fully automatic firearms it's not surprising that a few people have. How many posts and articles and editorials have you seen that use "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" interchangeably? The bottom line is "AW" was a legal definition for certain SEMIautomatic firearms. You can look it up in the United States Code at http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_44.html - Keep in mind that the code sections that constituted the AW ban expired on 9/13/04 even though they still appear on the books.

Now, you're telling me that the Class III are NOT assault weapons, and that only the civilian lookalikes are actual assault weapons.

I'm telling you that the weapons that were classified as "semiautomatic assault weapons" in Title 18, Chapter 44, Section 921 of the United States Code are civilian lookalikes of real military full-auto or selective-fire weapons. In general use people shortened the term to "assault weapons". In the military people speak of assault rifles. In all modern military forces those are selective-fire and are classified as machineguns (not assault weapons) under the (expired) US law.

[MrSandman]

16. Prior to AWB there was no such ....

classification as "assault weapon" IIRC, an assault weapon was defined as a semi-automatic weapon with a detachable magazine having two or more specific features.

The AWB also banned the "manufacture and importation of large capacity ammunition feeding devices."

The civilian lookalikes are the only ones that are semiauromatic.

The selective fire models are the weapon of choice for those who desire to kill a lot of people in a short time.

[benEzra]

18. Some clarifications...

The gun nuts have been telling us here in the dungeon that the weapons regulated by the AWB weren't even assault weapons at all. They told us that a weapon HAD to be fully auto, or select-fire to be classified as an assault weapon. Now, you're telling me that the Class III are NOT assault weapons, and that only the civilian lookalikes are actual assault weapons.

"Assault rifle" (translation of German Sturmgehwer) is a technical term referring to a selective-fire (i.e., NFA Class III restricted) rifle firing a reduced-power rifle cartridge. Examples include the German MP43, the Russian AK-47, and the U.S. M16. No assault rifles were affected by the 1994 ban, as they were already heavily restricted by the National Firearms Act of 1934.

"Assault weapon" is a term of demonization popularized by the gun prohibitionist lobby to refer to various nonhunting-style firearms or firearms holding over 10 rounds. The conflation with "assault rifle" is intentional (per the VPC's own Josh Sugarmann), in an attempt to play off the public's confusion between automatic weapons and some civilian non-autos that LOOK like automatic weapons, but function like ordinary civilian firearms.

A few of the firearms pictured above are assault rifles, but none are assault weapons as the term is used here.

Due to the widespread conflation of the terms assault rifle and assault weapon, it is understandable that some people get confused.

[-..__...]

7. Do they have the "Eddie Eagle" program over there?

Or, would it be "Elijah Eagle"?

With the possible exception of the first pic and the kid with the LAW type rocket launcher (looks like an empty tube to me), everyone else is practicing safe firearms handeling... "finger off the trigger".

Doesn't it give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside to know that the NRA's favorite candidate George W. Bush has seen to it that the Iraqi children are able to enjoy the "freedom" that goes along with assault weapons ownership?

What's the original source of these photos?

Were they all taken in Iraq?

Are any of them children of insurgents?

What's the purpose of posting pictures of 3rd World children carrying firearms?

With the exception of the M-79 grenade launcher, not one of those weapons is of US manufacture... and the M-79 is a long obsolete weapon that has found it's way into dozens of foreign armys and fighting forces.

[Lefty48197]

22. The source of these photos was a link posted by another DUer

in another forum. After your question, I searched the previous 20 or so pages of new posts, but couldn't find the link I got these photos from. The link was to a website that contained a couple of hundred photos. There were several other photos of the war posted, including several grisly photos of war victims, several photos of Iraqi children and adults walking among war implements and vehicles. There were even photos of people giving the "thumbs down" signal to a US convoy.

[Township75]

8. I always figured the war wasn't about oil, but rather about letting people

own AWs.

And now that the AWB has died, people will be able to buy a RPG at any school playground.

Fuck it! I'm turning in all my guns!

And my new slogan will be

NO WAR FOR ASSUALT WEAPONS!

[Buster43]

9. My ID's

A. AK-47
B. AK-47 and RPK
C. FN-FAL
D. M-79 Grenade Launcher
E. LAWS rocket Tube (empty)
F. AK-74
G. A FN-FAL, RPG, AK-47, A satchel full of rockets for RPG and what appears to be an AKM.

The weapons of choice for your third world insurgents.

[slackmaster]

10. None of the items pictured here would have been assault weapons

Under the now-expired federal assault weapons ban.

All of the rifles are selective-fire military weapons, which would be regulated as machineguns under the National Firearms Act.

Anything that fires a grenade or rocket would be a destructive device.

Doesn't it give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside to know that the NRA's favorite candidate George W. Bush has seen to it that the Iraqi children are able to enjoy the "freedom" that goes along with assault weapons ownership?

Since none of those weapons would ever have been classified as AWs the question is moot, but I certainly have no more warm fuzzies over the war than I did about people getting oppressed by Saddam Hussein. I personally know people who left the country to avoid being tortured or killed.

[Lefty48197]

13. You're confusing me too Slack:

Another poster responded with this,
"And none of these weapons have ever been legal for the general public to posess in the US. EVER. (none had even been invented prior to 1936 when the NFA went into effect)"

and you wrote,
"All of the rifles are selective-fire military weapons, which would be regulated as machineguns under the National Firearms Act."

Just when I thought I had been fully educated about guns and freedom, this happens.

[slackmaster]

14. No need for confusion - My post was 100% accurate

BenEzra misspoke about the NFA.

Machineguns have never been illegal for the general public to own, but the strict regulations of the NFA implemented in 1934 plus state laws plus the 1986 federal law that stopped manufacturing and importation of new machinegun receivers for other than police and military have made it very difficult (i.e. expensive) for people in general to get them.

And BTW Lefty, you know you can look all of this stuff up yourself if you're not sure.

[benEzra]

19. That was Krinkov...

although it is true that VERY few actual AK-47's and AK-74's were ever imported, since the NFA Class III machine gun registry was closed to newly manufactured or imported guns in 1986, meaning that only pre-86 NFA Class III automatic weapons may be transferred. We weren't on terribly good terms with Warsaw Pact nations in 1986...

For those of us of limited means, the 1986 FOPA closure of the machine gun registry is a de facto absolute ban, since there is no way I could afford a $10,000+ firearm (the price having been driven up by the supply cutoff). That would be worth more than both our cars, our entire gun collection, and bank accounts combined.

So the wealthy with very clean records and the patience to go through an extensive and intrusive vetting process can indeed purchase automatic weapons, but they're not actually all that available to we proles. (Unlike, say, NFA registered sound suppressors or short-barreled rifles, which are registered and tracked but not subject to the restrictions of McClure-Volkmer '86.)

To clarify for anyone who is still confused, the assault rifles covered by the NFA are not the "assault weapons" of the 1994 AWB. (See my post above.)

[slackmaster]

20. Whoops, sorry about that benEzra

Write that error off to astigmatism.

[Krinkov]

21. i said 'general public'

sorry, i should have been more clear

[Columbia]

11. Drive-by posting?

Where are you Lefty?

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[old freak]

23. First post

Been a lurker for about a year. Decided to join in order to answer part of this question.

C= Cetme

Everything else has been identified.

[oldphart]

24. Assault Weapons

"Doesn't it give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside to know that the NRA's favorite candidate George W. Bush has seen to it that the Iraqi children are able to enjoy the "freedom" that goes along with assault weapons ownership?"

Bush may not be the neatest guy in the world but he had nothing to do with making guns available to Iraqi and Afghan kids. There's a lot of talk about how many guns are available here in the U.S. but the people of Middle Eastern countries are far better armed than we Americans. One of the problems American soldiers are faced with is sorting out the good guys from the bad when all of them have AK-47s. Both countries were armed with hardware from Russia, France, Great Britain and China... plus a bunch of smaller countries too. Add to that, gunmaking is a cottage industry throughout the ME.