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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:44 AM
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After "Munich", Spielberg could make these films..
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Imagine for a second it is Opposite Day. Imagine we're in some kind of Twilight Zone parallel universe in which Hollywood gives Arabs and Muslims a fair shake. What kind of movies about the Middle East would we then be chomping Goobers, Junior Mints, and popcorn to at the local twenty screen multiplex?

Maybe these movies might actually be made by some of the 125 Palestinian kids Spielberg is giving video cameras to document their lives. Perhaps a talented few will go on to become big-time Hollywood directors. Here are ten potential films — all inspired by actual events — that are just waiting for the magic of Spielberg & his wannabes:

1. King David Hotel: The bombing of the King David Hotel, which served as headquarters of the British administration in Palestine, killed 91 Arabs, Jews, and Brits in 1946. Two future Prime Ministers of Israel, David Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin, masterminded the attack. Disguised as Arabs, members of Begin's Irgun placed 350kg of explosives inside the building. In this action-packed thriller, David (Pierce Brosnan) — a British officer ordered to hunt down the killers — falls for Margaret (Uma Thurman), an American journalist working for Life Magazine. But is Margaret really in love or is she a secret Zionist assassin out to stop David in his tracks?

2. Nakba: A story of innocent love in a time of war and tragedy. Layla (Penelope Cruz) & Salam (Orlando Bloom) are a Romeo & Juliet against the backdrop of the 1948 Nakba, the Palestinian national catastrophe. During the Nakba, over 700,000 Palestinians fled — voluntarily & involuntarily — their homes. Can their love survive conflict?

3. USS Liberty: When Israeli boats and fighter jets attack the US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty in the middle of the 1967 Six Day War, 34 US servicemen are killed and 173 are wounded. The official word from Washington and Tel Aviv is that the attack was a mistake. But Brad Pitt & Tom Cruise, who play surviving officers from the Liberty, swear vengeance after discovering that the attack was actually part of a plot to start World War III.

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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 07:28 AM
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1. or...
bush bombing and killing 14,000 afghanis, 30,000 iraqi's, letting untold thousands drown, starve, poison themselves in america and promise to fix it and never does...or letting almost 2300 us troops go into a war that serves no purpose, and die, for the same no reason.

or we could move into the future, and try to guess how many iranians/syrians he will kill.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 09:23 AM
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8. Indeed.
We could even give cameras to the troops.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 07:33 AM
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2. Spielberg make a movie that's not pro Israel???
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Happy New Year. Now stop drinking!!
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 08:08 AM
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3. How is "Munich" Pro-Israel?
I haven't seen the movie, but from what I've read, plenty of Israelis are upset about the movie because they think it shows the Israeli decision to hunt down and kill the terrorists in a negative light.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 09:07 AM
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5. I saw it
Edited on Sun Jan-01-06 09:08 AM by xray s
I don't think it is a "pro-Israel" film. It is a film about the futility of revenge, and the dehumanizing effects of war and hate.

I could go into more detail, but I would be spoiling the film for those who haven't seen it.


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 09:28 AM
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9. I think it sounds
like an interesting movie. The only thing that I've heard that might be inaccurate is that the people involved in the acts of revenge were not actually upset by what they did. But I look forward to seeing the movie. I'm sure that it is, like it appears you are saying, about the human condition, though using a terrible incident as the vehicle to do so.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 09:21 AM
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7. you mean there's a negative side to hunting down & killing...
terrorists :shrug: if we only knew then what we think we know now
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 08:24 AM
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4. Here's a film title for the series: "Mossadegh."
It's a fantasy in which a young Iranian girl dreams of time traveling to the future in which she has been elected Prime Minister of Iran, and ambassadors from the United States and Israel publicly apologize to her for destroying Iranian democracy in 1953, then she travels back in time to 1967 and witnesses Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh's prayers for their country as he lay dying still under house arrest, and, finally, she wakes up, circa 1975, to find herself in prison, about to be tortured by the Shah of Iran's secret police, the notorious and vicious Savak. The story is interspersed with that of a young American girl who dreams of getting a "bride doll" (big in 1953) for Christmas, and then finds one under the Christmas tree, to the delight of her parents, who watch her open her present, while in the backbround, the tiny black and white TV provides a brief newsbite on the "chaos in Iran," which goes completely unnoticed by the parents. These two girls, grown into young women, meet at the end of the film, just before the Iranian woman blows up the tour bus that is taking the American woman to see the pyramids in Egypt. The movie ends on the bus, as the eyes of these two women meet, and the song "We'll meet again...some lovely day," from the film, "Dr. Strangelove," plays on the bus radio.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0501i.asp
  
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/coldwar/costly.htm
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 12:21 PM
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13. Please explain
how you are able to directly to tie Israel into toppling Mossadegh - that was about as much petroleum-diplomacy or petroleum-politics as a James Howard Kunstler nightmare or Syriana.

I only spent 30+ years of a 40+ years technical, professional, scientific, managerial, and entrepreneurial career in the alternative, renewable, and green energy industry -- first time I heard that urban legend
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 12:42 PM
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14. Israel is not even mentioned in the Wikipedia article
Edited on Sun Jan-01-06 12:43 PM by Coastie for Truth
about the US and the UK toppling Mossadegh, viz--

Plot against Mossadegh - Soldiers surround the Parliament building in Tehran on August 19, 1953.

Using his new power, Mossadegh turned on the high command of the armed forces, firing many that had been loyal to the Shah. Unwilling to accept this, the former officers began to conspire against Mossadegh, and they approached the British and Americans for aid in this venture.

The governments of Britain and the United States had grown increasingly distressed over Mossadegh's reforms. Publicly, they denounced his policies as harmful to the country; privately, both governments sought to implement lucrative oil contracts, but Mossadegh refused. Mossadegh's socialist reforms and increasingly close partnership with the communist Tudeh Party also prompted fears that Iran might develop closer ties with the neighbouring Soviet Union.

In October of 1952, Mossadegh declared that Britain was "an enemy," and cut all diplomatic relations with the United Kingdom. In November and December 1952, British intelligence officials suggested to American intelligence that the prime minister should be ousted. The new US administration under Dwight Eisenhower and the British government under Winston Churchill agreed to work together toward Mossadegh's removal.

On April 4, 1953, US Central Intelligence Agency director Allen W. Dulles approved $1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mossadegh." Soon the CIA's Tehran station started to launch a propaganda campaign against Mossadegh. Finally, according to The New York Times, in early June, American and British intelligence officials met again, this time in Beirut, and put the finishing touches on the strategy. Soon afterward, according to his later published accounts, the chief of the CIA's Near East and Africa division, Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. a grandson of Theodore Roosevelt, arrived in Tehran to direct it.

The plot, known as Operation Ajax, centered around convincing Iran's monarch to use his constitutional authority to dismiss Mossadegh from office, as he had attempted some months earlier. But the Shah was uncooperative, and it would take much persuasion and many meetings to successfully execute the plan. Meanwhile, the CIA stepped up its operations. According to Dr. Donald N. Wilber, who was involved in the plot to remove Mossadegh from power, in early August, Iranian CIA operatives pretending to be socialists threatened Muslim leaders with "savage punishment if they opposed Mossadegh," thereby giving the impression that Mossadegh was cracking down on dissent, and stirring anti-Mossadegh sentiments within the religious community.

Mossadegh became aware of the plots against him and grew increasingly wary of conspirators acting within his government. He set up a national referendum to dissolve parliament. Some purport that the vote was rigged, with Mossadegh claiming a 99.9 percent victory for the "yes" side. Allegations that Mossadegh was resorting to dictatorial tactics to stay in power were in turn cited by US- and British-supported opposition press as a reason to remove Mossadegh from power. Parliament was suspended indefinitely, and Mossadegh's emergency powers were extended.

Inside Iran, Mossadegh's popularity was eroding as promised reforms failed to materialize and the economy continued to suffer. The Tudeh Party abandoned its alliance with Mossadegh, as did the conservative clerical factions.

To remain in power Mossadegh knew he would have to continue consolidating his power. Since Iran's monarch was the only person who constitutionally outranked him, he perceived Iran's 33-year-old king to be his biggest threat. In August of 1953 Mossadegh attempted to convince the Shah to leave the country. The Shah refused, and formally dismissed the Prime Minister, in accordance with the foreign intelligence plan. Mossadegh refused to quit, however, and when it became apparent that he was going to fight, the Shah, as a precautionary measure foreseen by the British/American plan, flew to Baghdad and on from there to Rome, Italy.

Commentators assumed it was only a matter of time before Mossadegh declared Iran a republic and made himself president. This would have made him the head of state, something Mossadegh had promised he would never do.

Once again, massive protests broke out across the nation. Anti- and pro-monarchy protestors violently clashed in the streets, leaving almost 300 dead. Funded with money from the U.S. CIA and the British MI6, the pro-monarchy forces quickly gained the upper hand. The military intervened as the pro-Shah tank regiments stormed the capital and bombarded the prime minister's official residence. Mossadegh surrendered, and was arrested on August 19, 1953.

One of the leaders of the coup, General Fazlollah Zahedi, was proclaimed Prime Minister. The Shah himself, after a brief exile in Italy, was rushed back to Iran and returned to the throne. His attempted overthrow and subsequent restoration to power had all occurred within a week.

Mossadegh was tried for treason, and sentenced to three years in prison. Following his release he remained under house arrest until his death in on March 5, 1967. The new government under the Shah in August 1954 reached an agreement with foreign oil companies to "restore the flow of Iranian oil to world markets in substantial quantities."




Scholarship? :shrug:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 09:18 AM
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6. 11, Justice for Jonathan Pollard starring: Ben Stein...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 11:54 AM
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11. Welcome to my ignore list. n/t
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 12:14 PM
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12. Thank you for your inquiry about the attack on USS Liberty
You were so interested as to post
3. USS Liberty: When Israeli boats and fighter jets attack the US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty in the middle of the 1967 Six Day War, 34 US servicemen are killed and 173 are wounded. The official word from Washington and Tel Aviv is that the attack was a mistake. But Brad Pitt & Tom Cruise, who play surviving officers from the Liberty, swear vengeance after discovering that the attack was actually part of a plot to start World War III.


The Liberty website is managed by Lieutenant Jim Ennis. Jim was part of Joe Corsi's and John O'Neill's "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" (you remember, from the 2000 Campaign). Ennis' activities are financially supported by Allison Weir, former Congressman Paul Findley, and the Koch, and Coors, and Olin Foundations and the Scaifes. This goes to Lieutenant Ennis' subsequent credibility on issues.

The Chief of Naval Intelligence screwed up Liberty - didn't tell the operating forces or the Israelis that Liberty was there, even denied that it was there. Chief of Naval Intelligence put out a cover story that the ship was a "false flagged Russian ship" and then another cover story that the ship was a "false flagged Egyptian troop carrier."

To a great extent this has to do with "compartmentalization" of intelligence and crypto information. This is also why the Intelligence assets even use different communications frequencies and asets then does the "workin' Navy."

Then, just eight short months later the Chief of Naval Intelligence screwed up Pueblo the same way - didn't tell the operating forces, or the South Koreans or the Japanese that Pueblo was there.

The "truth" about Liberty is in both:
1. CAPT A. Jay Cristol, "The Liberty Incident"
2. CDR Lloyd Bucher, "Bucher:My Story"
and also alluded to in the report on Pueblo.

Why am I so concerned --

BECAUSE IN 1945 MY DAD'S "NAVAL INTELLIGENCE" RECON PBY CATALINA WAS LOST AT SEA - AND THE INTELLIGENCE TYPES SAID THAT HE AND HIS CREW WERE IN AUSTRALIA. IT WAS PURE SERENDIPITY - AND A GREATER FORCE - THAT HE AND HIS CREW WERE SIGHTED AND SAVED BY ANOTHER US SHIP -- THE INTELLIGENCE ASSHOLES SAID HE WAS IN AUSTRALIA ---UNTIL HE AND HIS CREW MADE IT BACK TO THE TENDER.


Quite frankly the Chief of Naval Intelligence lies to cover his butt. That is part of his job. The Chief of Naval Intelligence could have prevented this tragedy by either telling Israel's Military Attache in Washington or Commander, SIXTH Fleet, that Liberty was there - instead of concocting false flag stories (per CAPT A. Jay Cristol, "The Liberty Incident" and CDR Lloyd Bucher, "Bucher:My Story", and the Official United States Navy Report on Pueblo.)

Your interest in Liberty and Pueblo is appreiated.

"Coastie"
    Lieutenant, United States Coast Guard (Honorable Discharge)
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 02:14 PM
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15. Boo hiss. I find this post hard to believe. EOM.
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