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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 02:36 PM
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Denial of Holocaust nothing new in Iran- Ties to Hitler led to plots
(title continued) against British and Jews, Edwin Black, San Francisco Chronicle, Sunday, January 8, 2006.




Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has shot to the forefront of Holocaust denial with his rabble-rousing remarks last month. But it's more like self-denial. The president of Iran need only look to his country's Hitler-era past to discover that Iran and Iranians were strongly connected to the Holocaust and the Hitler regime, as was the entire Islamic world under the leadership of the mufti of Jerusalem.

Iran's axis with the Third Reich began during the prewar years, when it welcomed Nazi Gestapo agents and other operatives to Tehran, allowing them to use the city as a base for Middle East agitation against the British and the region's Jews.

Key among these German agents was Fritz Grobba, Berlin's envoy to the Middle East, who was often called "the German Lawrence," because he promised a Pan-Islamic state stretching from Casablanca to Tehran.

Relations between Berlin and Tehran were strong from the moment Hitler came to power in 1933. At that time, Reza Shah Pahlavi's nation was known as Persia. The shah became a stalwart admirer of Hitler, Nazism and the concept of the Aryan master race. He also sought the Reich's help in reducing British petro-political domination.

So intense was the shah's identification with the Third Reich that in 1935 he renamed his ancient country "Iran," which in Farsi means Aryan and refers to the Proto-Indo-European lineage that Nazi racial theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished.



Read the full article - lots of stuff about the Shah, the Grand Mufti, and the Nazis. Or, as they say in college classes - "compare and contrast with Tokayer's "The Fugu Plan.""

You are allowed to ask "Who is Edwin Black?" I always do that. The article closes with a note "Edwin Black is the author of "Banking on Baghdad" about the Nazi-Arab alliance.". Here is a link to his home page .

He is the author of five award-winning bestselling books including "IBM and the Holocaust" (Crown Publishing and others worldwide 2001), "The Transfer Agreement" (Macmillan 1984 and Carroll-Graff 2001), "War Against the Weak" (Four Walls Eight Windows and others worldwide September 2003), "Banking on Baghdad" (John Wiley & Sons and others worldwide 2004), and a novel, "Format C:" (Dialog Press and others worldwide 1999).
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 02:39 PM
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1. That is fascinating stuff . . .
. . . thanks for posting.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 02:41 PM
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2. Wow.
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onethought Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:08 PM
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3. I've been searching a couple of days for the right thread to post this in
I was going to stop popping off on the net, because I no longer fear for the World like I once did. Sure, there may still be some kind of big war--maybe even a world war, but my greatest angst has never been about seeing a fight, but seeing one where the odds are too lopsided.

I feel right now, the world, is ready for the bring on.

If the People of this Country, are going to meekly allow their Leaders to drag them into a nightmare--, from now on, I'm Ayn Rand's, Atlas.
Nobody is mad at me, and I'm too old to be drafted--even if they raise the draft age to 100, I'm still too old. I aint going.

This post will be my last protest post on the entire www. I've had my say--honored my conscience, and now I'm just going to fermez la bouche, and buy me some seeds.

This--my last political post-- is about the Jews.

I'm the kind of guy, that if it seems to me everybody and everything, is trying to get me to think, believe, or look in one direction--I'm going to break my goddamn neck to look the exact opposite way.

Too much stuff about the Jews, today, and I know a lot of it is coming from people, who have a strong sense of right and justice, and they are seeing a lot of stuff,-- seeing a handful of people, strutting and causing a lot of trouble for the world, and it hurts their sensibilities. I'm not saying they are wrong because stuff is, what stuff is.

In fact, the reason I'm writing this post, is because I find myself kind of nodding along too much lately, and if I, of all people--a guy who prides himself on being fairminded and thoughtful, and independent, and with also a strong sense of justice and right,--can start to lapse into the thralls
of blatant propaganda and rank injustice, then things are getting way too far out of hand.

I'm a guy with a long memory and one who not only knows the meaning of gratitude, but also am doglike, in my appreciation for kindness. I'm old enough to remember vividly, the struggle of Black people, in this land to free Ourselves, from terror and oppression. I'm also old enough to remember that the battle we fought--we didn't fight alone and almost every single one of those pale faces that were marching with us during those times were Jewish faces. I'm wellread enough to know their roles behind the scenes as well as in front of it.

So it moves me to write something, when a guy like me, gets to nodding, in lieu of the fact that I know it is not only wrong to try to blame even 20 people, for something 19 people does,--much less millions for what dozens, or hundreds, or thousands do,-- it is willful ignorance born of nothing but the cowardly rage of impotence.

Everybody says they are not yapping about all Jews, and I know it's true--most people really don't hold any murderous, malice towards anyone (except Nazis, and certain other types), but that's just who they are and their ingrained hatred is towards everybody.

Most People don't hate Jews. There is a force, or some secret society, or something, that for some reason, never stops scapegoating these people, and trying to generate hatred in Mankind, towards them. I don't know what it is, but it's relentless, and it has become so obvious, I don't know how anybody can not see through it.

The worse thing is, so many people who are Jewish, seems to be working as hard against their own, as some of these horse-eyed Negroes, are working against their own.
I guess every race,ethnic, or people, has a relative that is trying to get Them killed for some reason..

This thing about the holocaust... I don't care if the Jews claim there were a billion of them killed. To me it's not just about the numbers of people killed, but also about keeping alive the memory of one of the most evil and ruthless, genocidal times in modern History. Other victims of great crimes are just as free to do the same--at least, so far, in this Nation. Why resent somebody else for trying to uphold the value of their lives, just because you don't have the unity, love, or zeal to do the same for your own--despite what anybody says or thinks about you?

We black Americans, are always told to stop blaming, and to move on and forget. And then we will get the horse-eyed, Negroes, coming out of the woodwork, writing books, making news, on T.V., parroting the same stuff, and so instead of making movies like Spielberg makes, we make movies like "Barbershop"--denigrating the best Ones, of our people, who has sacrificed everything for us. And so instead of growing value for our lives, in the eyes of our Governments, media, and Countrymen, we get the murderous , callousness, of a New Orleans, Katrina, rescue effort, and media portrait.

By the Jews, keeping the memory alive for themselves, they also keeps it alive for everybody, and that's why the world is more vigilant today. The Nazis--though not the only beasts of that war--, were every ounce as evil as the Jews proclaim, and if they didn't kill and torture enough Jews, for somebody, then read what they did to the Polish civilians, and the Russian civilians, and other defenseless, Ethnic groups within, and outside of Germany.

What we, who are so moved by the wrongs we see in this world has got to do, is stop singling out the Jewish element in what is happening in our Country, and the world today, and start looking at the whole picture. And the picture, as always, is 95 percent Anglo, with a few Jews, Negroes, Hispanics, and Asians, sprinkled in-- I guess for diversity.

Some force is trying to kill, and/or enslave us all, but it's obvious to me it's not Jewish in nature, because the bulk of Jewish people, always seems to be the 1st line target.

Since I have seen that Nazism, springs up every single time certain Humans, think they are powerful enough to impose their will on the world, unopposed, I've been meaning to say this publically for a while :

I understand the Rosenbergs now. Even though the woman was probably completely innocent. And I think one day people will realize what they owe the Rosenbergs, just as one day they will understand the debt due the Iraqi Resistors. If not for their(Rosenburgs) vision and wisdom to know that there needs to be a balance of power in this world, I think we will all have been slaves to the "New world order"--which is nothing else but a crueler version, of the old and same, world order)--, long ago.

But thanks to the cold war, that armed the little people, and Nations, of the world, I think Mankind might have a chance to not only keep what little freedom, and justice, they have only recently won, but to wrench from the grasp of the greedy, even more of their Creatorgiven rights, since the greedy has decided they will have us living as impoverished slaves, or not at all.

If this post comes off, in any measure insincere, presumptuous, or patronizing, it was not the intent.

The above was "onethought's" second thought, on DU, and his last.



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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:32 PM
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4. absolutely disgusting!
haha, got your attention! i hope you find DU a place to do alot of things- there aren't that many forums that you can use knowing people like the clintons and michael moore etc have also spent time at, so donut throw out the bathwater with the baby(!) or vice versa......there was a picture posted yesterday of a bunch of nazi troopers with dogs barging along a civilian street, and the fact is under different leadership those same men would be defending those who became their victims, the exact same men (and women)!.....the cliche that a 'fish rots from the head' must be inspired by this truth, we are a mob of lost sheep who need to be shepherded, and humanity is literally losing the battle to assure that the 'shepherds' are not murdering selfish thugs who use our inherent brutishness to service some moral perversion within themselves.... It is a battle that never can end, it is both a personal one and a public one involving everyone and thing on earth, including 'God' be there such a dood(?) welcome to DU, and :)
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 04:06 PM
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7. Great post!
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:38 PM
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5. Thanks for posting this.
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 07:46 PM
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8. EXCUSE US???? We do NOT want Iran to be bombed. So
don't you DARE blame us for what the President of Iran and the mullahs have been saying or for historical fact.

That's an appalling comment.
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occuserpens Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:06 PM
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9. SFgate on Iran
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 10:26 PM by occuserpens
This article is a hilariously ignorant piece of islamohobic propaganda.

-- In WW2 Iran was neutral. In 1941, it was occupied by Britain and USSR. Shah Pahlavi Jr. ruled since 1941. In his later years, he became staunchly pro-American.
-- In 1979, Khomeinists who currently rule Iran, deposed the Pahlavi dynasty, they are fiercely anti-monarchist.
-- Mufti of Jerusalem has absolutely nothing to do with Pahlavi, he was a Sunni, while Iranians are Shiites.

1. Edwin Black. Denial of Holocaust nothing new in Iran: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/01/08/INGODGH99Q1.DTL
Iran's axis with the Third Reich began during the prewar years, when it welcomed Nazi Gestapo agents and other operatives to Tehran, allowing them to use the city as a base for Middle East agitation against the British and the region's Jews.
Relations between Berlin and Tehran were strong from the moment Hitler came to power in 1933. At that time, Reza Shah Pahlavi's nation was known as Persia. The shah became a stalwart admirer of Hitler, Nazism and the concept of the Aryan master race. He also sought the Reich's help in reducing British petro-political domination.
So intense was the shah's identification with the Third Reich that in 1935 he renamed his ancient country "Iran," which in Farsi means Aryan and refers to the Proto-Indo-European lineage that Nazi racial theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished.
The idea for the name change was suggested by the Iranian ambassador to Germany, who came under the influence of Hitler's trusted banker, Hjalmar Schacht. From that point, all Iranians were constantly reminded that their country shared a common bond with the Nazi regime.
Shortly after World War II broke out in 1939, the Mufti of Jerusalem crafted a strategic alliance with Hitler to exchange Iraqi oil for active Arab and Islamic participation in the murder of Jews in the Mideast and Eastern Europe. This was predicated on support for a pan-Arab state and Arab control over Palestine.

2. Wiki on Mohammad Reza Pahlavi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi_of_Iran

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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:56 PM
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10. Who is "Inplainview News Monitor"
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 10:59 PM by Coastie for Truth
and why are they entitled to more credibility then the Chronicle? or Edwin Black?

I didn't write Edwin Black's article. I am not Edwin Black. I have read several of Edwin Black's books - and find him, his books, and the SF Chronile at least as credible as, say Dr. Juan Cole or Alexander Cockburn or Jeffrey St. Clair, or Counterpunch.

The SF Chron is my local paper, as is the SJ Merc, and I also get the NY Times, and read the online Sac Bee and WaPo.

As long as we're quoting online media and blogs --- here is a very good blog on Oil's role in the ME by a dude with 30+ years in the energy industry--- http://thinkersunderground.blogspot.com>

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occuserpens Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:50 PM
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11. hmmmm...
<i>I didn't write Edwin Black's article. I am not Edwin Black.</i>

Nobody says taht you wrote it.

<i>I have read several of Edwin Black's books - and find him, his books, and the SF Chronile at least as credible as, say Dr. Juan Cole or Alexander Cockburn or Jeffrey St. Clair, or Counterpunch.</i>

I am reading NatRev systematically. Now what?
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