Just one of the "joys" of living in an occupied territory? You decide!

[RJnAbbysNana]

3 Palestinians Extra-Judicially Executed by IOF

PCHR
Palestinian Centre for Human Rights
PRESS RELEASE
Ref: 18/2006
Date: 07 February 2006
Time: 11:30 GMT

Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) committed two extra-judicial executions in less than 8 hours, leaving two Palestinians in the Gaza Strip dead and a third dead in the West Bank. This raises the total number of extra-judicial executions committed by IOF in the past two days to 4, killing 8 Palestinians.

cont..........

http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/PressR/English/2006/18-2006.htm

Two Palestinians Extra-Judicially Executed by IOF

PCHR
Palestinian Centre for Human Rights
PRESS RELEASE
Ref: 17/2006
Date: 06 February 2006
Time: 09:30 GMT

On Sunday evening, 5 February 2006, Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) extra-judicially executed two members of the al-Quds Brigades, the military wing of Islamic Jihad, in Gaza City. This attack came less than 24 hours after a similar attack, also in Gaza City, which left 3 members of the Fatah movement dead. This escalation in violence represents a confirmation of the Israeli official statement vowing to continue to search for and target activists of Palestinian factions.

cont..........

http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/PressR/English/2006/17-2006.htm

3 Palestinians Extra-Judicially Executed and a Civilian Facility Destroyed by IOF in Gaza

PCHR
Palestinian Centre for Human Rights
PRESS RELEASE
Ref: 15/2006
Date: 05 February 2006
Time: 10:00 GMT

On Sunday morning, 5 February 2006, Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) extra-judicially executed 3 members of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the military wing of the Fatah movement. IOF aircrafts attacked a car, in which two of the victims were traveling towards the hospital. They were evacuating a person who had been wounded, when IOF aircrafts attacked a sports club in the Tal al-Hawa neighborhood in the south of Gaza City. An IOF spokesman claimed that IOF targeted 3 activists who were holding a meeting in the sports club and chased a number of activists while they were on their way to the hospital. The IOF spokesman vowed that the IOF would continue to pursue those launching locally made rockets at Israel.

According to investigations conducted by PCHR, at approximately 00:30 on Sunday, 5 February 2006, an IOF aircraft launched 3 missiles at the al-Shams sports club, belonging to the Fatah movement, in the densely populated Tal al-Hawa neighborhood in the south of Gaza City. The club was totally destroyed and one of its members, 30-year-old Hani Tal'at al-Qayed, was seriously wounded. A number of members of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the military wing of the Fatah movement, had just finished a meeting inside the club and left the building when the attack occurred. Following the attack, two members of the club – Nasser Ramadan Marshoud, 28, and Yassin Jamal Barghout, 25 – offered help to al-Qayed. They evacuated him in a civilian car to the hospital. When the car arrived at the headquarters of the Preventive Security Service in the Tal al-Hawa neighborhood, while it was on its way to the hospital, an IOF aircraft launched a missile at the car. The car was destroyed and the three young men were instantly killed.

In addition, 8 Palestinians, including two members of the Preventive Security Service, were wounded by shrapnel. According to medical sources two of the wounded are in a serious condition.

PCHR strongly condemns this latest crime and asserts that such crimes by IOF increase tension and threaten the lives of Palestinian civilians. PCHR calls upon the international community to meet its responsibilities and calls particularly upon the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 to fulfill their obligations under the Convention to ensure protection for Palestinian civilians in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

more..........

http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/PressR/English/2006/15-2006.htm

[sabbat hunter]

1. links

any links to these reports from legitmate sites? you know ones that arent biased and call the IDF the IOF? ect?

[RJnAbbysNana]

5. The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) . . . . .

is an internationally-recognized human rights organization:

About PCHR

The Centre is an independent Palestinian human rights organization based in Gaza City. The Centre enjoys Consultative Status with the ECOSOC of the United Nation. It is an affiliate of the International Commission of Jurists-Geneva, the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) – Pairs, and the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Network - Copenhagen, Arab Organization for Human Rights – Cairo. It is a recipient of the 1996 French Republic Award on Human Rights and the 2002 Bruno Kreisky Award for Outstanding Achievements in the Area of Human Rights. The Centre was established in 1995 by a group of Palestinian lawyers and human rights activists in order to:

. Protect human rights and promote the rule of law in accordance with international standards.

. Create and develop democratic institutions and an active civil society, while promoting democratic culture within Palestinian society.

. Support all the efforts aimed at enabling the Palestinian people to exercise its inalienable rights in regard to self-determination and independence in accordance with international Law and UN resolutions.

The work of the Centre is conducted through documentation and investigation of human rights violations, provision of legal aid and counseling for both individuals and groups, and preparation of research articles relevant to such issues as the human rights situation and the rule of law. The Centre also provides comments on Palestinian Draft Laws and urges the adoption of legislation that incorporates international human rights standards and basic democratic principles. To achieve its goals, the Centre has recruited a committed staff of well-known human rights lawyers and activists.

http://www.pchrgaza.org/about_pchr.htm

[Nederland]

2. The rule of law is dead in the ME

Israelis kill Palestinians without trial and Palestinians kill Israelis without trial.

I would only ask why you only include one half of the story... Hmmmm?

[pelsar]

3. its called war.....

they shoot, we shoot, people get dead.....not a pretty sight

[Tom Joad]

68. There are alternatives...Many are working nonviolently for peace

First, many Palestinians have been working non-violently to end the oppressive occupation. That is why the American Friend Service Committee nominated Ghassan Andoni of the Center for Rapprochement between People for the Noble Peace Prize. Along with Jeff Halper of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions.

Every week hundreds of Palestinians, Israelis, and internationals join together in Bil'lin to protest the building of the Annexation Wall that will destroy that community.

See this thread for more on the AFSC Nobel Peace Prize nomination:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x115652

Note also the important observation made by this respected peace organization of the context of their work, and why these two men were nominated.

"For decades they have worked to liberate both the Palestinian and the Israeli people from the yoke of structural violence — symbolized most clearly by the Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza."

Yes there is shooting on both sides, and that is tragic. There is, however, on one side an occupying power, on the other side those who are on the receiving end of that "structural violence". It is for Israel to choose when it is going to dismantle occupation. Not in bits and pieces, not by walls that will destroy communities, but really ending it. Ending the occupation of the whole West Bank, as called for in UN resolutions, would be a step towards peace. Olmert's plan to unilaterally annex large portions is not a plan that can be taken seriously.

[Coastie for Truth]

4. That is WAR

The first time I saw an unembalmed, uncosmetologized corpse (six of them) was in war. It is not pretty.

"Coastie"

Lieutenant, United States Coast Guard (Honorable Discharge)

[RJnAbbysNana]

7. Your post . . . . .

had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of discussion, and you know it, Coastie.

Regards,

RJnAbbysNana

[Andromeda]

58. When did you serve, Coastie?

[RJnAbbysNana]

6. IOF forces make illegal incursions into occupied territories . . . . .

and summarily, (extra-judiciously), execute suspected terrorists. (Note that I said "suspected" terrorists, not convicted terrorists.) These persons have not had their day in court as required under international law.

This is not at all what the Palestinians do to the Israelis, but it is one of the many reasons that some Palestinians have chosen to retaliate by suicide bombings, etc.

Regards,

RJnAbbysNana

[Nederland]

18. Cut to the chase

I believe that both sides are engaging in immoral and illegal activity and that trying to decide which side is worse is exercise in futility due to the problem of infinite historical causation.

Do you disagree?

[Scurrilous]

15. Annan: IDF strikes - executions without trial

U.N. secretary general slams Israeli strikes against Palestinian terrorists following string of IDF targeted killings; meanwhile, Olmert's associates say acting PM determined to continue anti-terror campaign

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3212686,00.html

<snip>

"Israeli strikes against Palestinian terrorists constitute executions without trial, U.N. chief Spokesman Stephane Dujarric said Tuesday in comments on behalf of the organization's Secretary General Kofi Annan.

While recognizing Israel's right to defend its citizens, targeted killings place innocent bystanders at grave risk and amount to executions without trial," Dujarric said in the wake of a series of Israeli strikes that killed nine Palestinian terrorists in recent days.

Annan called on both Israelis and Palestinians to do everything possible to protect civilians and refrain from any actions that could escalate the violence, Dujarric said."

[Behind the Aegis]

8. .

The subject heading for threads must contain the title of the source article. The only exception is when you must shorten long titles or to make the subject of the article more clear. source

[Name removed]

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[pelsar]

10. it has no real value...

just a waste of bandwidth

[RJnAbbysNana]

12. Your opinion, pelsar,

to which you are entitled, of course. However, the world is going to learn the truth of the plight of the Palestinians at the hands of the Israelis, whether you like it or not.

Regards,

RJnAbbysNana

[pelsar]

14. actually with hamas in power...

the palestenains are probably now going to get a taste of what "real occupation is all about, including moral squads running around beating people up.....killing couples on the beach in gaza and dragging their bodies through the city (last month) is probably just the beginning.

already we're heard palestenains mentioning the better times of the israeli occcupation when people werent killed indiscriminately, where they had some sense of personal security.....

it seems the palesetenains naration has taken a turn for the worse.....read what the palestenains in gaza are saying.......you might be surprised.

[barb162]

26. killing couples on the beach in gaza ... sounds like

extremist rule already. I missed that story. What...Were they dressed in bathing suits? I wonder if that is what got them killed. Perhaps the OP can comment on what she heard about this story and if that would have happened under the Israelis AND if that qualifies as first degree murder or if it is somehow justified (no trial).

[pelsar]

28. they were holding hands....

capital offense, he was beaten, she was killed and dragged through gaza city

[barb162]

30. Oh, a double execution without a trial for holding hands.

Under Hamas rule it is going to get a LOT worse. I suspect this will go commentless by the OP.

[Violet_Crumble]

36. That would be because it's off-topic to the OP...

...and having just come from a thread where you stress the importance of other posters sticking strictly to discussing what was in the OP, I think this is a good place to pause and reflect on things like that...

Violet...

[Behind the Aegis]

37. .

:eyes:

[barb162]

48. I thought the topic is the joys of living in occupied territories

At least that's what it states. Maybe you want to take another look to verify that.


:hi:

So what do you think about someone being killed and dragged through the streets for holding hands?

[Violet_Crumble]

62. Try reading the titles of the articles...

Some people even *gasp* read the actual articles!! Because the topic of the OP is extra-judicial killings by the IOF, that attempt to divert attention from the topic of the thread is pretty obvious. So if you've read the articles and have something constructive to say about them, then we can get a little Q&A session going about the issues they're discussing. How's that sound?

btw, in response to yr question - do you have a link to anything that says the incident pelsar claimed happened actually did happen? And that it happened last month? Coz then I'll tell you exactly what I think :)

Violet...

[Andromeda]

57. ...

:P

[Scurrilous]

63. Not only is it OT...

...but the incident as described by Pelsar most likely never happened.

[Violet_Crumble]

64. Good point...

n/t

[Andromeda]

56. Holding hands?

:wtf: That just sounds beyond oppressive to me. It's going to get worse for women, I fear.

[RJnAbbysNana]

40. Your post had absolutely nothing whatsoever with the articles

I posted, and that's what we're supposed to be discussing. If you want to start a thread about whatever it is you were talking about, go ahead; however, I'm not obligated to answer your post to this thread or to post in whatever thread you may decide to start.

RJnAbbysNana

[Scurrilous]

59. "killing couples on the beach in gaza...

... and dragging their bodies through the city (last month)."

Are you referring to this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=89162

I searched google and the DU archives and I couldn't find anything about a couple being murdered on the beach in Gaza last month and having their bodies dragged through the streets.

[Violet_Crumble]

65. My bet is it may have never happened...

And like you I'd like to see a link to any report of that happening last month...

Violet...

[Name removed]

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[barb162]

25. Bwa!

[barb162]

11. Two Al Aksa members killed in air strike

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1138622565570&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Feb. 7, 2006 6:51 | Updated Feb. 7, 2006 18:44
Two Al Aksa members killed in air strike
By MARGOT DUDKEVITCH, JPOST STAFF, AND AP

snip

The 2 killed, identified as Mohammed Abu Shariya and Suheil Al Bakker, were both from the Sabra neighborhood in Gaza City and were senior commanders of the group.

They were transporting weapons and rockets at the time of the strike.

This brought the number of Al Aksa operatives who have been killed in 4 recent assassinations, to 9.

Kassam rockets continued to rain down on Israel on Tuesday.
snip

[RJnAbbysNana]

13. Is this from the "official" IDF (IOF) report?

If so, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the truth, because IDF (IOF) troops have been known to falsify information in their reports. Nothing new!

RJnAbbysNana

[barb162]

16. IDF is the proper name

[RJnAbbysNana]

17. That's a matter of viewpoint, I would say.

To an Israeli, it would probably be "IDF." However, to a Palestinian whose land is under occupation by the Israelis and to those who care about the plight of the Palestinian people at the hands of the occupiers, the Israelis, it's "IOF."

Touche!

RJnAbbysNana

[barb162]

19. The official name is Israel Defense Forces

Because Abbas has been an ineffective leader, do I call him Abb-ass or some other pejorative? Does his name magically change? No. My intent is not to personally insult someone or group and do needless name-calling. SO I will thank you to use proper names of entities or persons because anyone can do cheap shots and insults and it doesn't further discussion.

[Name removed]

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[barb162]

23. Geez look at all those exclamation points. Who's having a cow?

Not me

[Violet_Crumble]

32. I often use lots of exclamation marks without having a cow...

Just thought I'd point out that lots of !'s isn't a good indication of cow-having!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[barb162]

49. Who brought up cow-birthing in the first place? Not me

Perhaps you might want to redirect your comments to the individual using the exclamation points and the cow imagery

[Violet_Crumble]

61. Yr the only one trying to connect it to exclamation marks...

Hence my comment...

Violet...

[Violet_Crumble]

22. IOF is NOT 'cheap shots and insults'

Needless name-calling? Personally insult? Maybe calling Sharon blubberboy or Jabba falls into that category, or many of the moronic names some of the 'pro-Israel' posters of the past used to use for Arafat, but claiming calling an occupation force the IOF is needless name-calling is really pushing the envelope way into the region of complete silliness. What are you trying to dispute, barb? Are you trying to claim that the Israeli military isn't occupying the West Bank? If so, yr totally wrong. Are you trying to say it's so very insulting and upsetting to call the Israeli military the IOF when it is in the West Bank, even though you might recognise there's an occupation?

NGO's commonly use the term IOF to refer to the Israeli military's presence in the West Bank, and it's totally legitimate to use the term. Another poster tried to make a big deal about the use of the term IOF not that long ago and the mods were very clear that the term is allowed and there is nothing wrong with it....

Wandering off to dig up a few posts where some folk have used silly names for folk like Arafat and Abbas, etc. I expect I'll spot similar posts to the one I'm replying to now there chiding them for not furthering the discussion with their use of insults and name-calling ;)

Violet...

[Name removed]

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[Behind the Aegis]

29. It's not that is is "cheap shots,"...

...just propaganda. At least, the "IOF" thing is.

[Violet_Crumble]

31. It'd help if you said what I'd supposedly misstated...

Could you be a bit specific? What is it that I'm supposed to have misstated from yr post?


Unfortunately for yr argument, there are entities and people that can carry more than one name eg Sharon = Sharon, Israeli Prime Minister - Abbas = Abbas, Abu Mazen - IDF = IDF, IOF. So for those who find it too hard to follow conversations when other people insist on using correct names, but just not the one the other poster demands they use, my suggestion is to learn to deal with the fact that the only DUer most DUers are able to control over is themselves...

Violet...

[pelsar]

27. its bigotry....

the name is the IDF....its that simple:

i dont know who gave any NGO the right it change the name of an official entity of israel....but they do not have that right.

perhaps we can call the PA....the terroists that target women and children and celebrate their killing? (tttwc for short?)


why not....

[Violet_Crumble]

33. Just coz you don't like something doesn't make it bigotry...

Bigotry is more along the lines of insisting that an entire society is bad or evil, the way some sad folk do when they talk about Palestinians...

When the IDF is defending Israel and inside Israel itself, everyone tends to refer to it as the IDF. When it's in the Occupied Territories, it's very correct to call it the IOF, as it's all about occupation and not defence...

Uh, Pelsar. More than a few of the 'pro-Israeli' types have called the PA names like that. Considering the PA has never carried out terrorist attacks, claims along that line are easily bebunked, whereas trying to argue that the Israeli military isn't carrying out an occupation is an impossible point to argue with any credibility...

Violet...

[pelsar]

34. bigotry...

is a generalization against a group...whether or not when the IDFis in the westbank and defending israel is an opinion..just like the cartoons....calling the the IDF derogotory names is insulting and bigotry....and more so. for those who are interesting in communicating with the "other" and showing "tolerence" insulting is hardly the way. quite the opposite is reaks of intolerence....

and the PA is upto its neck in in the various groups....most of it indirectly.....and whether or not others call them names is totally irelevant to me...they have an offical name...and thats what they should be called....its that simple.


or shall we call the PA the PA when their in Gaza and when the finances are found to be paying jihad islame we can then call them a different name?

[Violet_Crumble]

35. You've got the definition wrong...

Bigotry = an obstinate and intolerant believer in a religion, political theory. That's from my trusty Oxford, but other dictionaries will also define it as an intolerance towards those who differ. The word that is consistent through all the definitions is *intolerance*. Where generalisation would come into it is where the bigot makes negative generalisations against what is usually a religion or ethnic group. Unless you want to take the stance that anyone who say that Israel is occupying the West Bank are intolerant bigots, you can't actually believe that calling the IDF the IOF when it operates in the West Bank is bigotry.

Also, Israel occupying the West Bank isn't a subjective matter - that's a hard, cold fact...

As for PA involvement in terrorist attacks, the name you came up with for them claimed they carried out attacks. Indirect is something very different, as those folk who insist that because Sharon was found indirectly responsible for the Sabra/Shatilla massacres keep on saying and it really means that the person/group with indirect responsibility is actually a paragon of peace who had NO IDEA AT ALL!!!!!!! what those evil Others were doing and would have done all they could to stop it if they'd known :)

I don't care one way or the other what others choose to call people or groups. That's why I'm a bit amused by all the energy being exerted in showing that one or two folk here care so deeply what others call things. Given my love of free speech, I'll insist on referring to the Israeli military as the IOF when they're operating in the West Bank and the IDF when they're operating from within Israel....

Violet...

[pelsar]

38. does that include cartoons

"I don't care one way or the other what others choose to call people or groups"

so you have no problem with the cartoons?....i seem to recall you had some problems with them....
___________________________________

whats with sabra and shtilla?....same goes....call sharon by his name...as i do the islamic jihad, when i'm writing about them in particular.

israel is occupying the westbank, whether or not its required for the defense of Tel Aviv is the question at hand: hence whether the IDF is in defensive mode or not is the question.

intolerence is the operative word here, and i agree:

calling the IDF something insulting is a sign of intolerence. We insult when we either dont understand, dont want to or are intollerent of some actions.

[Violet_Crumble]

47. We're talking about what DUers call things...

Yr question makes no sense at all in the context of this discussion....

I don't know how saying Israel is OCCUPYING the West Bank is intolerant or even bigoted, and I'm pretty much absolutely 110% sure that calling Israel's military the IOF is not at all intolerant, seeing as how most people are in agreement that Israel is carrying out an occupation...

We call things how we see them, and just because someone disagrees with someone else on the particular specific word to be used, does not mean that the other person doesn't understand or is intolerant....

Violet...

[pelsar]

50. your changing a name...

to suit your political view....its really that simple....and as an israeli I find it insulting.

you can have all the reasons in the world to "change it".....but not a single one alters the fact that its insulting for those of us who are members of it.

and that is shows a certain level of intolerance for a group, made up of a wide variety of people from all levels of the israeli society that is very much a part of israel.

[Violet_Crumble]

53. It's not insulting to admit it's an occupation and an occupation force...

There's nothing intolerant about it, no matter how many times you repeat the same thing, and while I can think of nicknames for it that would be insulting, trying to argue that the term occupation is insulting is, well, insulting to people's intelligence :)

Violet...

[RJnAbbysNana]

39. What's in a word?

VC, there are those, of whom I'm certain you're aware, who seem to devote their time digging through newspapers, books, Internet articles, etc., for anything and everything which could even remotely be identified as prejudice, bigotry, anti-whatever, etc., just to feed their inner feelings of personal martyrdom. They'll hang on every word of a person's post like a vulture, hoping for a tasty morsel to use to say, "See this! See this! You're a bigot!"

Personally, I'm getting nauseated by their insistance in this respect and believe it's best to simply ignore them, knowing why they're doing it and that, if I react as they expect, I'm just feeding them the tasty morsels of garbage they so crave. They're simply not worth the time and/or effort to address, and there are far more important things with which to occupy my time.

Cheers, VC!

RJnAbbysNana

[pelsar]

41. whats in a word?

whats in a drawing?...seems quite a few muslims have a problem with that....also insulting someone is in a word, doesnt take much to give one a bit of respect, if one is interested in communication.....

btw seems to be a bit of confusion...the mayrtres are the ones blowing up themselves and as many innocent civilians as possible....us jewish israelis are hardly interested in that way of life.......didnt work out for our relatives......sometimes its tough to accept change.

[RJnAbbysNana]

42. Again, you're deviating from the topic of discussion

which is the articles that I posted from PCHR. Please, if you can't stay on topic, please start a new thread with whatever you wish to discuss.

Now, what is it that you wish to address with respect to the illegal, immoral extra-judicial killings by the Israeli troops? THAT is the topic of discussion, pelsar, AND NO OTHER.

RJnAbbysNana

P.S. It's apparent that you're not on the same page regarding the martyr syndrome of which I spoke. It has nothing to do with the Palestinian suicide bombers. (I've heard that Desitin is a soothing balm for tire tracks on the pate.)

[pelsar]

43. your initial article...

forgot to use the word war......thats why people get killed...furthermore since the palestenain fighters refuse to wear uniforms and hide behind and use women and children and ambulances and taxis and schools in a cyncial attempt to gain PR points, that some people actually buy into...the onus of the IDF killings is upon them.

if all of the palestenain civilians killed are innocent then one must ask, who exactly is shooting the kassams, mortors and sending the sucide bombers?.....after all there are no "military people in the PA fighting israel as none one wears uniforms.

the killings will continue without apologies...without israel defending itself we would have gone the way of the jews in europe....and we dont feel like it, some dont like it, but as a reader in the talkback of haaretz said:

"he now understands what israel has been up against all these years......"

pass on to your "friends" that the short history of israel has shown, the more you fight us, the more you lose......time to change strategies....

[Name removed]

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[pelsar]

46. no uniforms?

there are consequences for ones actions..no uniforms?....well then we sure cant be sure whos trying to massacre us and who isnt....so they take their chances....and they shouldnt complain when we kill those wearing the civilian uniforms, who may or may not be trying to kill us, very confusing...but its they're choice.

and as long as the goal of the governement of the palestenains and neighbors is to wipe out israel...well then we really dont have to apologise for being where we are...its not 1944......(a good start would be the antisemetic cartoons...)...

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[RJnAbbysNana]

52. Using the term "IOF" is NOT derrogatory.

It simply states that it is an occupying force, WHICH IT ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY IS!!!!!

Regards,

RJnAbbysNana

[Wordie]

45. ...

...maybe the "D" stands for (in) Denial.

[Behind the Aegis]

54. clever...

...maybe the "P" in "PA" actually stands for "Permissive" or "Passive." :shrug:

[Andromeda]

55. I thought the "P" stood for "Poopyhead."

But what do I know?:hi:

[Wordie]

60. Does the "I" then stand for "Illegal" (as in settlement)?

:shrug:

[Behind the Aegis]

66. hmmm...

...I am sure there are those who see "Illegal" and "Israel" as interchangeable.

[Wordie]

67. When it comes to occupied territories, yes. eom

[Lithos]

69. locking per i/p guidelines

Subject is not the title of the cited article.