The Danes must be punished

[Behind the Aegis]

Nothing in world intolerance quite prepares you for the adherents of fanatical Islam. Just when you least expect it, they will continually shock you by once again doing the very same thing.

You know the drill. Everyone does. Those, particularly in Europe, who have been lucky enough or snooty enough or apathetic enough or doctrinaire leftist enough to have avoided it thus far, are now having their noses rubbed in it.

The idea is elegance itself. Pick an enemy, any enemy. The Jews, let's say. The United Nations is giving Iran a hard time for constructing and operating a clandestine nuclear program? The Jews must be punished. Issue a recommendation that their nation be erased from the map.

The international community takes Iran to task for advising that Israel be wiped out? The Jews must be punished. Issue an advisory that the genocide that killed one of every three Jews in the world, turns out to be an urban legend.

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*Note the name of the piece; as the author updates his page, the editorial will move further down the page.

[Dunvegan]

1. All fanatics are more alike than different...Fanatical Christians have...

...more in common with Fanatical Muslims or Fanatical (name of religion here) adherents.

Killing symbolic enemies (abortion doctors, kidnapees, etc.)...trying to bring the world to Armageddon.

All alike in their illness.

I try to make sure every day that I am more compassionate and have more patience...that's the only antidote (other than laws) that I know.

[Poppyseedman]

2. Sorry, you ain't going to get away with it.

Fanatical Christians have......more in common with Fanatical Muslims or Fanatical (name of religion here) adherents.

What world are you living in ???

Christian bashing, even fundie bashing has no moral equivalence with what the Islamic world tolerates among themselves and even condones.

Granted there are a few christian wing nuts that bomb abortion clinics. Almost the entire christian world condemns that type of activism in word and deed. Do you see Falwell ginning up his faithful to burn down the prisons because they are offended a abortion clinic bomber was imprisoned???

Fanatical Muslims on the other hand on a regular basic kill and slaughter all sorts of innocent people for all types of seemingly normal behavior issues, like homosexuality, protecting yourself from being raped, being in love with the wrong person, expressing ones desire to be free.

It is quite tiresome trotting out the false premise that fanatical christian, meaning fundamental Christan, and Fanatical Muslims are one and the same making them morally equivalent of each other.

[bemildred]

3. They are morally equivalent, completely the same, llike peas in a pod.

It's all about control. You need to read up on the past and present
history of religion and the Christian Church. I recommend "Treatise
on the Gods" by H. L. Mencken, a well written, entertaining, and
accurate piece of scholarship.

[Lithos]

4. That is a good read

Thanks for recommending it to people.

L-

[Poppyseedman]

9. I have no disagreement about what the church did in a historical

perspective. The christian church is guilty of many sins in the past, already recorded in the history books, throughly examined.

You cannot prove by any reasonable standard that the "present day" Islamic extremist and the "present day" christian church are morally equivalent, the same. Like peas in a pod.

You can't even prove the fundamental church in this country is the same. Just because you think it, does not make it so.

Prove it..........with empirical evidence.

Give me one example of morally equivalence with regards to acting out one's faith based on the religious doctrine of the two faiths.

Thanks for thinking I need to read up on church history, just because I disagree with you doesn't make me ignorant on the subject. I realize you people who hate religion and think "Christian theology was a farrago of absurdities." and the faithful are "the ignorant and ignoble" and we find it difficult to comprehend our dilemma, being the dupes that we are and not seeing the church and faith as "a vestige of that dark and frightened past"

[bemildred]

12. That's true, I can't prove it, it's pretty much all opinion.

I'm comfortable with that.
You can't prove the opposite, either.
That's what faith is all about, eh?

I don't hate religion. Most of the time I
don't think about it at all. There are Christians
I like and Christians I don't, and some I really like,
and some I really don't, but its got little to do with
their religion.

[mystikwarrior]

5. Tiresome?

It is quite tiresome trotting out the false premise that fanatical christian, meaning fundamental Christan, and Fanatical Muslims are one and the same making them morally equivalent of each other.

Interesting play on emphasis. You fail to capitalize "fanatical christian" but you do capitalize "Fanatical Muslim". As if the former is a description and the latter is an organized branch of Islam. Why is that? Being a "Muslim" is the same as being a "Christian". Both have followers who are "fanatics" as well as "fundamentalists". Those two are not the same.
The Primitive Baptists are a fundamentalist faction of Christianity. Shiite Muslims are a fundamentalist branch of Islam. Neither has a reputation for violence and killing innocent people.
Hamas is a radical fringe group, the "fanatics" of Islam. Most are Shiite but some are Sunni. Some are neither. Does Christianity have its radical fringe groups? "Fanatics", if you will? You tell me. Pat Robertson, who advocates the cold-blooded murder of the President of a sovereign nation (a Christian one at that)? Ann Coulter, who openly advocated the murder of liberal Supreme Court Justices and bragged of having the chance to kill Bill Clinton? Timothy McVeigh's connection with the Christian Identity fringe was for some reason other than religion?
Throughout history, religion has brought death. Often to innocent people. Muslims don't hold a monopoly on that violence. In fact, some of the worst atrocities committed in the name of "God" were perpetrated well before Islam ever existed. By the Hebrews. Read your Old Testament. When Moses arrived at the "Promised Land" that "God" told him his people could have, it wasn't an empty world. It was inhabited by all manner of people, mainly Philistines (from which the words Palestine and Palestinian derive). What happened to them? Well, the Hebrews slaughtered them by the hundreds of thousands. Many accounts are in the Old Testament of Joshua taking a city and killing every man, woman, child and animal found within its walls. So much for not harming the "innocent".
Christians can't even keep from killing each other. Or is the violence in Ireland a media myth? Catholics and Protestants killing each other over religious doctrine. Plenty of innocents dying on both sides. But hey, they aren't "fanatics"? Right?

[Poppyseedman]

10. Thanks for noticing my grammar error.

Does Christianity have its radical fringe groups? "Fanatics", if you will? You tell me. Pat Robertson, who advocates the cold-blooded murder of the President of a sovereign nation (a Christian one at that)? Ann Coulter, who openly advocated the murder of liberal Supreme Court Justices and bragged of having the chance to kill Bill Clinton? Timothy McVeigh's connection with the Christian Identity fringe was for some reason other than religion?

You can't be serious? These are your examples of moral equivalence?

There is a large leap to go from what Robertson, Coulter say and to what they actually do. Both should lose all credibility for their rhetoric. McVeigh was a nut and did blow up building for because of the Waco incident. I will grant you, he was a "fanatic". Oh wait' he paid for his fanaticism. One example does not make a trend or comdemn a faith.

As with the other side of the moral equation, "fanatical christian" = "Fanatical Muslim", we have daily examples of what truly represents a "fringe" "Fanatical" group of people who happen to number in the literal millions. We hear almost daily stories of teenage girls hung for killing their rapist, girls stoned for running away with their lover, honor killing, beheadings and etc, etc.

The good people of the Muslim faith need to reign in their fruitcakes. I don't see that happening. The christian fruitcakes are mostly harmless and rounded censured when they pop up from their holes

[Violet_Crumble]

11. Never thought I'd see those words at DU..

The christian fruitcakes are mostly harmless and rounded censured when they pop up from their holes.

Yep, all those whacko American anti-choice fruitcakes who terrorise women and use violence on a regular basis are just one glowing example of how mostly harmless any religious fruitcakes bar Muslim fruitcakes are :sarcasm:

Violet...

[bemildred]

13. I feel rounded censured myself ... nt

[Violet_Crumble]

14. LOL...

I missed that :)

Violet...

[Coastie for Truth]

8. Sincere - but "fanatical" - Christians are shortening my life

I have a disease process working on me where stem cell derived therapies appear in initial clinical test - to offer promise. But this work is proceeding very slowly because of the sectarian objection to stem cell research.

In fact, some sincere physician Congress people, like Senator DR Tom Coburn and Congressman DR Dave Weldon are even trying to criminalize my going overseas to use these stem cell research derived therapies.

Now, my community of faith, small and sectarian as it is, permits (encourages) stem cell research. See, for example .

I think this sectarian ban on Federal funding of stem cell therapies constitutes an unconstitutional establishment of religion (by using a sectarian definition of permitted research and therapies) and an unconstitutional prohibition of free exercise (by subjecting me to possible criminal prosecution under any Coburn-Weldon law that might be enacted).

To me - this is life threatening fanaticism.

[Tom Joad]

6. What is the link??

All i get is the Dalai Lama statements on Hamas in Haaretz.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. Damn it!

I really hate when Ha'aretz does that!!!! :grr:

Try this link...if they swap out links again...it is under "The Spin Cycle: Campaign blog/Bradley Burston." It is halfway down on the main page, directly under the main articles.

I am sorry.