Olmert: Ahmadinejad is 'psychopath' who 'speaks like Hitler'

[ShalachEtAmi]

By Haaretz Service

Interim Prime Minister Ehud Olmert launched an unprecedented attack on Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in an interview with a German newspaper published Saturday, labelling him an anti-Semitic "psychopath" who "speaks like Hitler."

Olmert told Bild newspaper that the Iranian president "is a psychopath of the worst kind. He speaks like Hitler did of the extermination of the entire Jewish nation."

"I hope that he will never become so dangerous and destructive, like Adolf Hitler was," Olmert goes on. "I hope he never gets the chance to transfer his threats into the deeds, but if one wants to judge a statesman based on his words, I can say Ahmadinejad speaks today as Hitler spoke before the seizure of power."


The prime minister said that it was the duty of the entire world to work together to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.



.../more http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/710812.html




Official anti-semitism is alive and well in 2006,

at the highest of levels,

in the land of Persia that once had a Jewish Queen,

too bad shes not still around to yet again save the Jews from annihilation .

Oh well i guess we will have to rely on the IDF , yet again.....(thankfully)

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[barb162]

19. Kofi Annan and almost every world leader has condemned

Ahmadinejad's anti-Israel rantings. So are all these world leaders wrong in condemning his rants?
I have no idea what you mean by the second sentence.

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[leveymg]

25. So, that makes it okay for Olmert to rant in return?

A pox on both of them.

[barb162]

33. Speaking out against holocaust deniers, war mongers and

statements that a country should be wiped off the map is ranting?

News to me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4653666.stm
Annan condemns Holocaust denial

"snip
The world must challenge those who deny the Holocaust happened, says United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan.snip"


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4912198.stm
"snip
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has in the past called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and said on Friday it was on the way to being eliminated.
snip
Iran is a member state of the United Nations that is threatening to destroy another member state of the United Nations," he said.

The Iranian president's outspoken declarations, questioning whether the Holocaust happened and predicting Israel's destruction, have been condemned around the world. snip"

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[ShalachEtAmi]

10. The funny green mushrom cloud thingy was already taken.. NT

[leveymg]

26. That's what this is about. A regional monopoly on mushroom clouds,

or at least the threat of using them in the Middle East and South Asia.

Grow up. The U.S. has learned to live with nuclear-armed rivals for nearly sixty years. Israel will have to, as well.

[ShalachEtAmi]

6. How Rude , I will not take it ``somewhere else``

mike_c :`...and my comments are no more flamebait than your OP. Take it somewhere else, please.`



I posted this in a discussion forum about the IP conflict from a respectable newspaper from Israel.

An article written in the mainstream press quoting the opinion of the Prime Minister of Israel.


Intelligent analysis and comment is meant to follow , pro and con.....

.but not some rude infantile insult...


:eyes:

[mike_c]

8. your indignation notwithstanding, the IDF are still murderous pigs....

eom

[ShalachEtAmi]

9. 9 out of 10 Jews would disagree with you... NT

[Oversea Visitor]

13. Whew you smart

Say so must be facts :rofl:
Did I see a pig fly pass :rofl:

[leveymg]

24. Not in the U.S.

We're split on this. Please don't pretend to speak for us.

[ShalachEtAmi]

27. Thats why I said 9 out of 10...

I aint speaking for anyone.

Here is a poll for you....



``Eighty-six percent of American Jews feel close to Israel ``



http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/archives/K/5/pub5096.html



Guess I should of been more accurrate by saying 8.6 out of 10 ?

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[ShalachEtAmi]

32. I don`t appreciate your insinuations ...

I doubt free republic would welcome a Progressive poster..pro choice pro Gay Marriage etc etc

.who fits in very well with current policy of the Democratic party in just about all of its policies including its policies toward The Jewish State....

Maybe your views are not in concordance with mainstream Democratic party view?

Mine certainly are....

[leveymg]

34. Maybe you accord with Lieberman and Hillary. Not the base - not here.

Please, don't try to push-poll us.

My insinuations are not nearly as offensive as your posting Right-wing Israeli propaganda straight from the source. It's hate speech, even if it was spoken by the leader of the Knesset, quoted in a major Israeli paper.

[ShalachEtAmi]

35. Thats OTT ..`Hate speech` from Haaretz...umm ok...

`Right-wing Israeli propaganda straight from the source` Haaretz ??

Care to recommend some newspapers we could use to post on DU that does not fit into your definition

of publishing `hate speech`?

[leveymg]

36. It's not the messenger. It's the message.

That message is: "Hate Iran. Ahmadinejad is Hitler. Bomb Iran. Iran wants to destroy Israel. Destroy Iran." It's a mindless drumbeat, and it's not really news, no matter what newspaper carries it. It's propaganda.

[ShalachEtAmi]

38. So we should Ignore and not post articles in IP forum reporting words

....of the Israeli Prime Minister or Hamas spokesmen?



Nothing at all would be posted or discussed....

[leveymg]

40. The following words are yours:

"Official anti-semitism is alive and well in 2006,

at the highest of levels,

in the land of Persia that once had a Jewish Queen,

too bad shes not still around to yet again save the Jews from annihilation .

Oh well i guess we will have to rely on the IDF , yet again.....(thankfully)"

That echoes the official statement. It says, "Iran wants to destroy Israel. Destroy Iran."

That's hate speech. That's propaganda. Please don't abuse our hospitality. Those expressions of hatred aren't welcome at DU. Goodbye and good night.

[ShalachEtAmi]

52. If thats `hate speech` your very priveleged to have not experienced..

The `real thing`. Which is not the case for many other Jews in many other countries...

[ShalachEtAmi]

53. `Please don't abuse our hospitality`

I am a member just like you...unless your a Mod? I checked and I don`t think you are...

`Our` Hospitality....needs some explaining....

[mike_c]

42. who do you think you're fooling with that disingenuous BS...?

It was your editorial at the end of the OP that stimulated much of the response in this thread. The mods must be asleep tonight-- they usually put a stop to that kind of abuse. Some prominent former regulars who did that sort of thing frequently in this forum have been tomb-stoned. Using a legitimate post as a vehicle to spew vitriol and propaganda is not well respected here.

[ShalachEtAmi]

49. Maybe , google `Queen Esther`

See how many hits come up with exactly the bulk of what I wrote comes up explaining the Jewish Holiday of Purim..then tell me thats hate speech...ok?

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[barb162]

41. The Democratic Party is a big tent, remember?

There are puhhlenty of Hillary supporters on DU and both senators were elected by their Democratic Party constituents. If CT's and NY's voters tend to be too Democratic Centrists for your taste, you might want to take it up with them. They are still Democrats. Lieberman is still a member of the Democratic Party. Haaretz is a credible left source for this forum. And Olmert agreeing with most world leaders on the Iranian leader is not "right" wing... it's probably a very good summary of opinion held by world leaders.

[mike_c]

44. with respect, I'm not a democrat, so I don't feel any obligation...

...to enable hate speech like the editorial by the author of the OP in the name of being a big tent guy.

Haaretz is indeed a credible source for this forum, and often a source of dubious, debatable opinion-- but generally credible and generally respectable.

Olmert's comments are designed to stoke just this sort of response, IMO-- turn up the rhetoric, keep the focus on Iran, the latest MTV threat to freedom and democracy. Or something like that. It's all smoke and mirrors, meant to keep us in a ferment under that big tent. I don't buy it, but mainly I don't buy the hate speech at the end of the OP.

[barb162]

45. When this particular Iranian leader made comments about Israel

and that it should be wiped off the map, some, if not many, would take that as a threat and war-mongering. It's one thing if an average citizen says something like that, but when the elected leaders says it, I think it has to be taken seriously because he officially speaks for his country. At the very least, he's not even trying to be diplomatic. At worst, he means it. If another sovereign state, which happens to be the focus of the threats gets its dander up, I think it is understandable because the Iranian leader is being so outspoken. He sounds like a loose cannon. The question is: is he?

[Phx_Dem]

50. I take it you were part of the 23%

of jews that did not vote for Kerry? FYI, Kerry supported the "roadmap"

[Scurrilous]

47. Self Delete.

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[starofdavid]

62. thanks for the welcome...

I have no doubt of it.

[bemildred]

58. I don't know if "acceptable" is the right word.

But it's common, more or less in both directions, too. "Murderous pigs" is nothing special, and similar slurs are applied to Israelis and Palestinians liberally from time to time, especially if there are some recently dead people at issue, which is most of the time.

The basic rule is you are not allowed to flame other posters, directly; and people do toy with the edges of that prohibition too.

[starofdavid]

61. thank you for the clarification...

lol!

[pelsar]

48. nice to know...

i'' ll be sure to tell my kids that their dad is a "murderous pig"....next time i see some palestenains going to work, should i open up with my machine gun?

[Phx_Dem]

51. you just provided us with an example of "moral disengagement"

As described by Albert Bandura.

4th technique: dehumanization. You stmt below:

"your indignation notwithstanding, the IDF are still murderous pigs...."

Albert Bandura, 1990, Mechanisms of Moral Disengagement, in Walter Reich, ed. Origins of Terrorism: Psychologies, Ideologies, Theologies, States of Mind. Cambridge University Press.

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[ShalachEtAmi]

7. ` the part of the most massive, most organized troll attack in DU history`

Care to explain your attack?

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[ShalachEtAmi]

14. Maybe someone else will come along and tell me how .....

... a person can even begin to reply to that post....

[leveymg]

18. No.

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[ShalachEtAmi]

12. `so far` Is the operative words in your post....

``The dumb jerk in Iran so far is all talk`` : DELUSIONAL

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17. I will not click the alert ..

Thanks for the `warm` words...

But somehow I think a lot of `Oversea Visitor`s posts on this thread will soon be deleted ,which is a pity because they should be read by all on the board...thy are very telling comments...

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[DELUSIONAL]

55. the ignore button is your friend -- use it on the

idiots trying to fan the bomb Iran flames.

[Igel]

16. At least he limited the Hitler comparison to the manner

in which they speak, which is bad enough. Presumably it escapes the censure of Godwin's Law.

It's certainly heads and shoulders above essentialists who unrestrictedly say "X is like Hitler," or "X is Hitler" (where X is some miscellaneous person). My usual response to that is that "Martha Stewart almost certainly uses a soup spoon like Hitler."

I personally wish Ahmadinejad would stop both dissing Israel and praising the "peaceful use of nuclear technology" in the same speech. "Peace" is truly a weasel word in some contexts.

[ShalachEtAmi]

23. I know thats why the article called it an `unprecedented attack` NT

[leveymg]

28. Not a promising debut.

Not much punch, style, or stamina.

[ShalachEtAmi]

29. Olmert is not the most Charismatic of leaders..

But he is just beggining...

[leveymg]

31. And, where will he end?

Bringing ruin down upon Israel, Iran and the U.S.

The special relationship between the U.S. and Israel has already been ruined by the excesses of Likud and the neocons. Witness Iraq and the OSP-AIPAC spy case. Do you guys want to push it off a cliff?

[Oversea Visitor]

37. Read his last

2 comments on his OP HIS VERY OWN OPINION

Very clear how he think :rofl:

[barb162]

46. bleach, doctor

work good

[Oversea Visitor]

39. Hmmm

BEG ..... BEGGINING :crazy:

:think: OH YEAH

GOT IT

OLMERT BEGS THE WORLD

[barb162]

43. That's what a lot of people thought of Harry Truman right

after Roosevelt died. Truman was a giant in many ways.

[bemildred]

59. Nonsense.

He isn't much like Hitler, either.

I mean, he may be annoying, but lets not make a travesty of language in the pursuit of momentary political ends.

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