Palestinians to recognise Israel

[cal04]

ALL Palestinian factions except Islamic Jihad have reached an agreement on a statehood initiative that implicitly recognises Israel's right to exist, sources in Fatah and Hamas said Tuesday.

The officials in the governing Hamas movement and its great rival, the Fatah party of Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas, spoke after an emergency meeting on the initiative.

"We agreed on all the points of the prisoners initiative," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said.

"An agreement was reached during a meeting of Palestinian movements and the agreement will be unveiled this evening to president Mahmud Abbas and Prime Minister Ismail Haniya," said Fatah parliamentary bloc chief Azzam al-Ahmed.


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19612877-1702,00.html


Hamas 'agrees to' two-state plan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5121164.stm

[Minnesota Libra]

1. Agreeing on paper is one thing, agreeing in practice is a.............

.....totally different matter. I'll wait and see.

[Scorpio2000]

2. Let's Hope

Arafat recognized Israel's existence and pledged the end of terrorism. This followed by years of war and terrorism.

The PLO Charter has never been changed (originally written in 1964 before the "occupation")
The Hamas Charter remains unchanged, which clearly doesn't recognize Israel's existence.

Islamic Jihad will play the bad guys, and Israel of course will be accused when this latest "recogniton" fails.

It's an old pattern for a new generation.

[Scorpio2000]

3. Hamas 'implicitly accepts Israel'

Palestinian militant group Hamas has agreed to a document backing a two-state solution to the conflict with Israel, officials say.

The initiative, devised by prisoners held in Israeli jails, implicitly recognises the Jewish state.

Hamas's charter currently calls for Israel's destruction by force and rules out peace negotiations with it. ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5121164.stm


So, either we believe Hamas when they say they accept a two state solution, or we believe Hamas when they say there is no negotiation and seek to destroy Israel.

Chances are, we can believe both. The first option paving the way for the second.

[Englander]

6. Question -

The argument, & 'facts' being presented here, would suggest that anyone using such arguments,
most likely, finds postive aspects in the policy of 'transfer'. The argument presented states, that
the official poilicy of Palestinian nationalist parties is a refusal to accept the existance of Israel,
& an intent to wage war & terrorwistic outrages, & any claims to the contrary are falsehoods. If
anyone were to follow that line, that any Palestinian nationalistic groups are not to be trusted, &
have never ended the terrrwor campaign, then why should the GoI accept such groups, or the
population that votes for them, as neighbours? The argument presented suggests that anyone who
believes that, would also believe that the policy of 'transfer' is the next logical step, since why
should any country tolerate a population that's intent on having as political leaders, terrowists, &
parties who's ultimate aim is the destruction of said country? I don't know if you've realised this,
but if anyone tries to portray the Palestinian parties as devoid of any redeeming features, then
the next logical step is 'transfer', imo. If anyone tries to push the line that negotiations are futile, &
the only policy that's being followed despite any claims to the contrary, is war/terrorism, then
I would suggest that the next logical step to that argument, is 'transfer'. There are political
parties in Israel that have 'transfer' as their official platform.

[The Magistrate]

7. The Position Could Also Be, Sir

That an actual cessation of violence is required to accept the words are sincerely meant.

[Englander]

8. Well, that would certainly help.

I doubt that any cessation of violence would be acknowledged, if it were to happen.

[The Magistrate]

10. An Ill-Disposed Person, Sir

Could probably manage to draw from that statement a mirror of the indictment you prepared above, in equally damning colors....

[Englander]

11. I meant that Mr Scorpio2000 et al would ignore any cessation.

The likelihood is that the GoI wouldn't acknowledge any cessation, but who knows?

Now, Sir, you are being *most* mischievous, & I would suggest, even impish. Of course, that's how it
should be.

:D

[barb162]

4. This isn't recognizing Israel's right to exist

snip
A Hamas MP denied that this implied the group now recognised Israel as one half of a two-state solution. "We said we accept a state in 1967 - but we did not say we accept two states," Salah al-Bardaweel told Reuters.

A Hamas spokesman said the document - the subject of weeks of negotiations - included a "clear clause" referring to the group's non-recognition of Israel.
snip
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1807200,00.ht ...

[Englander]

9. So, Hamas spokesmen are credible witnesses now?

And the Guardian used as a source, to boot.

Priceless.

;-)

[applegrove]

5. And Palestinians will be well of relative to some of the regular people

in the middle east.. because that market..Israel..is right there. If this works.. maybe for the first time in decades..those kids can grow up to thrive.. instead of helping to feed royal families and despots with the issue that is their lives.