Hizbullah: We kidnapped 2 soldiers

[Scurrilous]

IDF's fears realized: Hizbullah attempts to divert attention from Gaza to Lebanon Wednesday morning, with explosions heard along northern border; six residents, five soldiers wounded. Group announces it kidnapped two soldiers

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3274258,00.html

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"While all eyes were turned toward the Gaza Strip Wednesday morning following the IDF strike which killed six Palestinians and injured top Hamas leader Muhammad Deif, it appeared that Hizbullah was once again attempting to divert the attention to the northern border, claiming that it abducted two IDF soldiers.

"We kidnapped two Israeli soldiers," the Lebanese organization declared in a statement aired on its television station al-Manar. The report has not been confirmed by an Israeli source.

Western Galilee residents woke up to loud sounds of exchanges of fire on both sides of the border. Explosions were heard on the central and eastern zones. Four people were injured on the western area of the border, one of them sustaining moderate wounds. They were evacuated to the Nahariya hospital.

In the villages of Natua and Zar'it, which are close to the fence, residents reported hearing sounds of light and heavy weapons. At least two mortar shells landed in the area. The alert level was raised in Israel Defense Forces posts and IAF aircrafts flew over Lebanon."



Edited to reflect changing story.

[Behind the Aegis]

1. an act of war?

[pelsar]

2. no act of war..

unless israel responds in which case its a war crime....in the meantime those who are shooting at israel, well they get a 'free pass"

[Behind the Aegis]

3. true...

I expect to see a UN SC resolution against Lebanon any day now. :rofl:

[cantstandbush]

20. It would have been wiser to negotiate the release of the Israeli soldier

who is, in fact, a prisoner of war. Israel has so negotiated in the past and released hundreds of prisoners in exchange for a few Israeli soldiers. Now there are three more Israeli soldiers dead and two more being held. Besides being a barbaric response by Israel, it was stupid!

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Exactly right.

Israel will be the problem here, not Hezbollah.

[Recursion]

4. "In southern Lebanon"

Yahoo!, at least, says the skirmish took place "in southern Lebanon"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060712/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel_clash

[Behind the Aegis]

5. actually...

...it was "...across the border..." This means Lebanon INVADED Israel.

[Recursion]

6. Read it again

Across the border in southern Lebanon

ie, across the border from Israel, inside Lebanon.

[Behind the Aegis]

8. You read it again...

Across the border in Southern Lebanon.

ie...in ISRAEL who is "across the border" in Southern Lebanon.

The forces, in S. Lebanon (location) abducted Israeli soldiers "Across the border." There is no comma.

On edit: the link has changed, but it shows that the forces did go into Israel. If it were the way you were presenting, it would have read, "across the border, in Southern Lebanon." This would indicate that the incursion was IN S. Lebanon. Because the there is no comma, it implies that the incursion took place "across the border in S. Lebanon," which would be Israel!

[moobu2]

7. Actually Lebanon invaded no one

But don’t let that stop you from spreading your pro Israeli misinformation.

[Behind the Aegis]

9. try again..

from the same source...

"BEIRUT, Lebanon - The Hezbollah militant group captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid Wednesday, triggering an Israeli assault with warplanes, tanks and gunboats against southern Lebanon as Israeli troops crossed the frontier to hunt for the captives."


Don't let that stop your anti-Israeli propaganda!

[sabbat hunter]

17. considering hizbollah

are run by syria, wouldnt it be more accurate to say syria invaded israel? lol

[Igel]

18. Considering that Hezbullah

is part of the Lebanese government ...

And 'incursion' is better than 'invasion'.

Even if Hezbullah weren't part of the government, the government has no problem with part of its territory occupied and controlled by Hezbullah. It's an accomplice in anything Hezbullah does. Such is the price of either connivance or cowardice--the distinction is frequently hard to draw.

[MrPrax]

24. You forgot one...

U.S. blames Syria, Iran for kidnappings

ROSTOCK, Germany - The United States blamed Syria and Iran on Wednesday for the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah militants and an eruption of violence along the southern border of Lebanon.
SJ Mercury among others

Maybe this was the plan all the long...couldn't get much traction on the SC - Iranian 'nuke' schtick, so they have developed another rationale.

[sabbat hunter]

27. hizbollah

is supported openly by both syria and iran.

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[Violet_Crumble]

11. And how does that make it an invasion??

I read that the soldiers were patrolling the border, and nothing I've read suggests an invasion...

p.s. Maybe *incursion* would be more accurate? I noticed that term is used generally when Israel moved across the border into Lebanon...

[cali]

12. Invasion? What are you talking about?

Who mentioned an invasion? It appears from the stories that Hezbollah crossed the border into Israel. My comments weren't a value judgement. I didn't use the word 'invasion'. I was merely commenting on the reports. Why so defensive?

[Violet_Crumble]

13. The poster you replied to...

In response to someone in this thread who claimed this was an invasion, they said: 'Actually Lebanon invaded no one.' I never thought or said you used the word 'invasion' as in this case it's a hyperbolic use of the word, wouldn't you agree?

btw, I asked you a question. Nothing defensive in that...

[cali]

15. I would have thought

that you could easily deduce from my words that I do indeed think the use of the word 'invasion' in this context, is hyperbole.

[Violet_Crumble]

16. I must have missed the post where you said it was hyperbole...

:)

[Violet_Crumble]

25. self-edit

not worth saying :)

[Violet_Crumble]

26. You used the word INVASION in another thread...

'..but the Israelis were the ones who were invaded'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x133512#133599

No wonder I didn't deduce from yr words in this thread that you do indeed think the use of the word 'invasion' in this context, is hyperbole....

;)

[cantstandbush]

21. Yes, but crossing over into "occupied" territory is a much different

situation than the one you described.

[cali]

22. Are you claiming that Hezbollah

killed three IDF soldiers, and captured two others from Occupied territory? It's my understanding that Hezbollah crossed over into Israel proper. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[cracksquirrel]

23. Hmmm...

First it's "no, they only attacked Israeli positions in Lebanon", now it's "well, it's ok because Israel isn't a real country, so you can't technically invade it." Why does this topic always devolve into irrationality and ignorance?

[pelsar]

14. general knowledge...

Hizballla controls S.lebanon.....the lebanese army doesnt go there and the police that are there are subject to hizballa laws....in essence s.lebanon is occupied territory.

The UN has several stations there...with the Hizballa lookouts and bases next to them (the reason is obvious...any attack by israel will very likely hit UN personal).

Iran and Syria "feed Hizaballa." When israel was in S. Lebanon they fought mainly hizballa whos aim was to push israel back to its borders.....when israel did go back, the UN sanctioned the border.....Hizballa still attacks on the pretense that the Shiba farm area is Lebanons. (it was taken from Syria by israel during the 6 day war).

in essence without israel Hizballa has little reason to exist, much less control lebanese territory, hence it continues to attack. I dont believe there has been much discussion in the UN about the occupied territory in S. Lebanon

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

19. informative post, Thank You.

I wonder just how bad this will get? This new guy, Olmert, seems quite hard line.