WHY Does Israel Get To Have NUKES??

[K8-EEE]

I understood that there was a UN resolution they were not allowed to, but everyone turns a blind eye.

I really think it's time to STOP turning the blind eye -- and enforce the rules.

[Drum]

1. All about the Benjamin$....

It goes to many deep levels, and is very very old.

[Redstone]

9. Oh, yes, I get your message. It's because them JEWS have all that money.

Redstone

[Drum]

34. Not at all what I was saying, Redstone.

I'm saying that money and avarice are deep into the issues, but by no means are a "Jewish" question (in my mind.) If anything, Americans have become the modern standard-bearers for blatant corruption and large-scale ripoffs. Corruption issues---and thus my $ reference---ALWAYs involve conspiracies of some kind, and are therefore shared endeavors.

Please don't type words in my mouth!

[Redstone]

35. OK, sorry. I won't put words in your mouth. But you have to admit, when

somebody posts about "Israel" and "money," it's usually that rightwing-ish bullshit about how the "Israel Lobby controls the US Government."

You've seen enough of it right here on DU. And I've seen more than enough, and am sick of it.

I'm glad to hear that's not what you meant. And, may I say, you're right (in your explanatory post).

Redstone

[Drum]

36. True dat

:toast:

[Redstone]

That beer in your "smilie?" It's on me, if ever we meet.

Even if we do have more fights between now and then.

Redstone

[bbinacan]

2. Do you know you

sound like a 10 year old?

[K8-EEE]

4. Why? Explain please.

Explain why it's so silly and juvenile to worry that Israel has illegal nukes. Or do you think they don't have them?

[Redstone]

7. Because of the silly and juvenile fact that Israel is surrounded by

countries with fifty times their population, each and every one of which has a publicly-stated policy that says, in effect, "We want to kill all the Jews?"

That's why.

Redstone

[AnOhioan]

14. C'mon already

Not every country surrounding Israel has that policy, in fact none of them do. Hamas and Hezbollah are not countries.

Egypt and Jordan have signed peace treaties with Israel. Saudi Arabia and many others have condemned Hezbollah.

Generalizations such as yours serve no purpose.

[havocmom]

18. Go back to the history books

Read what all the other nations in the area were announcing as policy & goals back around 47-49 They were swearing to annihilate any Jewish state.

[AnOhioan]

25. Do I really need to remind you that that was almost 60+ yrs ago?!?!

Look at a calendar.

Times change, and powers that be change as well. No countries today, with ther exception of Iran, have governments that are sworn to Israeli destruction, and in Iran's case I think it is more a case a grandstanding for the home audience.

[havocmom]

40. Haven't been many revocations of pledges to destroy a Jewish state

in all those years either. I don't need to be reminded about the passage of time. Have you lost sight of the fact that the parties fighting today have basically been doing the same fight for generations? Passage of time doesn't seem to be much of a peacemaker in the region. Old passions and blood feuds remain.

Hell, I had a Palestinian woman scream at me (in the US) because she didn't like the security she had to go through to fly into Israel. She thought my name sounded Jewish and venting rather long and loud about all the transgressions done to her people for generations.

Time hasn't healed much at all. And I feel for that woman, but the fact that she attacked me in Tucson AZ about problems I had nothing to do with gives me a clue that old hatreds are alive and well, rational or not.

[Redstone]

43. What she said.

Redstone

[larrysh]

6. They did it because they can and because

the Israeli's couldn't care less about world opinion. That and the fact
every American President since Eisnhower has cared more about the Jewish
vote than about fairness in the ME. And, I'm sad to say, that includes
Democrats....

[Redstone]

8. Oh, yes, it's the JEWS. Gotta watch out for them sneaky JEWS.

Redstone

[K8-EEE]

21. Oh Please....You Don't Have To Be Anti-Jewish

To think that Israel is acting insane, any more than you have to be "anti-American" to disagree with the Iraq invasion.

[Redstone]

24. Ah, but that post was not about Israel. Read it again. It was about how

all the American presidents have been beholden to the JEWS.

Let me ask you something: You're a long-time DUer. Have you noticed that the majority of anti-Isrel posts, especially the ones about "The Jewish lobby" have been from people with less than 100 posts?

I think we're seeing an infestation of trolls. And they're making DU look bad.

Redstone

[Redstone]

3. Why does Pakistan get to have NUKES?

Redstone

[papau]

11. LOL - Sorry Restone - I found this non-debate a classic - I agree w/ u

:-)

[Redstone]

28. The Straw Man rises, and towers over all, doesn't he?

Redstone

[Clark2008]

31. No, the strawman is to believe that one is against Jews

if they think Israel isn't perfect.

I guess my husband is against himself, given that reason. :eyes:

[Redstone]

32. Well, then, I guess he is. If you say so.

Redstone

[AlamoDemoc]

5. The world has blind eye on Israel....and that's question needs an answr

[Swede]

10. It's called a nuclear umbrella.

If they ever start losing a conventional war,they nuke that countries capital city. When your country is 35 miles wide and you are surrounded by enemies,it's not a bad idea.

[Scurrilous]

16. Nuking someone's capital...

..."not a bad idea."

WTF???

[uppityperson]

22. not a bad idea to have nukes when someone might nuke you

I think

[Erika]

12. Why did we allow Israel to ignore UN sanctions

but invaded Iraq because they ignored UN sanctions?

Israel has been a sacred cow. Hopefully the pics of the little Israeli girls sending hate message on ordinance will open a few eyes.

[TomInTib]

23. Because Israel is so very special.

The only "nation" on the globe without fixed borders and one of the very few without a Constitution or a central tenet.

[Redstone]

27. Tom, Tom. My friend. My brother. Don't do this. Please.

I'm begging you.

Redstone

[TomInTib]

46. I got ya, buddy.

I have had a crazywild day and sometimes...

Thank you, my friend.

Tom

[Redstone]

51. I know about those days. I do.

Glad I was able to talk you down. No doubt that you'll do the same for me some day.

You and I, we're the same. Anything you need from me, it's yours.

You know that.

Redstone

[TomInTib]

53. I know that.

When I was a kid someone (my Uncle, I think) gave me a old comic book of "Tarzan, King of the Jungle".

It was a large-format (Life Magazine size) comic book with Tarzan stories and other inserted tales.
My favorite were the exploits of Dan-El and Natongo, The Brothers of the Spear.

[mmonk]

13. They are in our corner. We play by no rules. We play

according to our "interests".

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. The world suffers terminal Holocaust guilt & gives them anything they want

[Redstone]

33. Yup. Because those JEWS are so clever. That's why they have all the money.

Right?

Redstone

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. Terminal Holocaust Guilt?

Terminal Holocaust Guilt???? That's one of the most hateful posts I've read in the last week and I've read Many of these threads.:( Damn. Terminal Holocaust Guilt??? I still can't believe you posted that. My GOD.

[mmonk]

17. Also, enforcement of international rules takes leadership

and some assemblance of power. We are in a lawless period, especially since the US decided to abandone international protocols and go rogue for dominance. Someone somewhere will have to emerge in the future. I'm hoping the EU since they have some economic clout though no military clout. They had some crazy drean about peace until the third way movement started making it's rounds and fostered democracy through gunpoint ideas.

[Redstone]

29. Damn, I think you're on to something there. I'm getting to like you.

emergence of the EU as the dominant world power...plausible, possible, and maybe even likely if things play out as they have recently.

And, for a BIG change, they end up being the dominant power because they're righteous, not because they kill a bunch of people.

Yes indeed, you may be on to something.

Redstone

[mmonk]

49. The way I see it, they write alot of the trade rules

in order for companies to do business in Europe. Might be good leverage for something like a stable world doing business by a set of rules. A new kind of leverage other than conflict. Or am I dreaming? Well, I can't help it. Looking for something positive.

[Redstone]

52. Could happen.

I've had my last Vike and need to go upstairs.

But again, you're on to something. Trade clout / leverage, whichever is the right word.

Start sending e-mails to Brussels; they may not realize how much clout they have.

Not being sarcastic here at all.

Sleep well this night, as I will attempt to do. Am successful sometime.

Redstone

[whistle]

19. It may be too late, the barn door was open so the nuclear horse

...got in....too late, because who is now going to take the nuclear weapons away from Israel?

[rpannier]

They are not signatories to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

I learned that from watching Asia-Pacific News.

[FujiZ1]

20. Why does any country get to have nukes?

I can't see the logic in debating which countries should be allowed to have weapons that are capable of killing hundreds of thousands of people.

[Redstone]

30. Good point. Who's doing the "allowing?"

Redstone

[havocmom]

45. BINGO!

How come those in the club get to make the rules for the whole world?

Given the aggression of US policy of late, any leader worth his/her salt would seek nukes to protect their people from invasion.

Seems incredibly ego centric that the nation with the most nukes AND history of recent aggressive policies (the US) thinks it is horrible when other nations want a little bargaining chip against hostile takeover

[jrd200x]

26. UN not a legal body. Israel has them because WE have them to Israel

besides, they need the defensive systems because they're surrounded by enemies.. . . and we put them there in 1948.

It's probably why no one has atacked them since 1973.

[pitohui]

37. why does north korea? why does pakistan? why does anyone?

because toothpaste don't go back in the tube and genii don't go back in the bottle

eventually everyone will have nukes, just like in that song "who's next?"

[pitohui]

38. "who's next" by tom lehrer (1962)

First we got the bomb and that was good,
'Cause we love peace and motherhood.
Then Russia got the bomb, but that's O.K.,
'Cause the balance of power's maintained that way!
Who's next?

France got the bomb, but don't you grieve,
'Cause they're on our side (I believe).
China got the bomb, but have no fears;
They can't wipe us out for at least five years!*
Who's next?

Then Indonesia claimed that they
Were gonna get one any day.
South Africa wants two, that's right:
One for the black and one for the white!**
Who's next?

Egypt's gonna get one, too,
Just to use on you know who.
So Israel's getting tense,
Wants one in self defense.
"The Lord's our shepherd," says the psalm,
But just in case, we better get a bomb!
Who's next?

Luxembourg is next to go
And, who knows, maybe Monaco.
We'll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb!
Who's next, who's next, who's next?
Who's next?

[Redstone]

41. Ah, Tom Lehrer. A national treasure.

By the way, did I ever thank you for the PM? If not, I'd like to be allowed to apologize here for my lack of manners, and to extend those thanks.

Redstone

[pitohui]

44. no problem :-) EOM

.

[Behind the Aegis]

39. Not a member of the NPT.

[IndianaGreen]

42. Have you seen how small Israel really is?

For a country no larger than New Jersey, that is surrounded by people without warm fuzzy feelings about her, nukes are the only deterrent to being exterminated.

[Redstone]

47. Well, yes. Thank you for pointing that out. Not that it will convince the

"Big Bad Jews Are Monsters for Defending Themselves, and They Should Just Let Hezbollah Shoot Rockets At Them" faction here at DU.

Redstone

[Rex]

50. I think I read that the border between Israel and Lebanon is 40 miles!

40 miles! IMO, wasn't very smart making such a tiny country with no natural allies bordering on any side. Just put Israel back on the defensive, which is what they're used to. Poor innocents, always die in the crossfire. :(

[daleo]

48. Nobody's allowed to have nuclear weapons (according to those in the club)

Until they actually get them. Once they are in the club, then nobody can do much about it, and the club pulls up a chair (sometimes reluctantly, but they do it).

In my adult life Israel, India, Pakistan and (probably) North Korea have joined the club. Nobody's been kicked out yet. It is funny kind of club that way.

[Lithos]

55. Locking per I/P guidelines

Not based on a recent news or op-ed article

Lithos
DU Moderator