Do you know what kind of weapons causes this damage?

[umtalal]

A message from Lebanon. This is a serious message and any assistance is appreicated.

Do you know what kind of weapons causes this damage?

Beirut
July 19, 2006
The attached pictures are hideously gruesome, but you have to look at them . Help me find out what kind of weapons cause this kind of dismemberment and mutation.
What kind of weapons cause this kind of damage? Do you know? Could you find out?
None of this is confirmed, or could be here and now. However, there are growing doubts that Israel might be using internationally forbidden weapons in its current aggression against Lebanon. News from "Southern Medical Center", a hospital in Saida( in South Lebanon) are not good. Dr. Bashir Sham, member of "French Association of Cardiovascular Surgeons", explains that the way the corps look when they reach the hospital, especially those of the air strikes in Doueir and Rmayleih, is very abnormal.” One might think they were burnt , but their colour is dark , they're inflated, and they have a terrible smell" All this , and the hair is not burnt nor do the bodies bleed.
Eight of the victims of an air strike on Rmayleih bridge, near Saida, on the 15th of July, were transferred to Sham's hospital.
Sham says that only chemical poisonous substances "lead to instant death without bleeding".
And what indicates the power of these substances, is the high and unusual of number of dead victimes, compared to the number of injuries.
Sham thinks that whatever "abnormal " substance causing these features might penetrate through the skin, or another explanation would be that the missiles contained toxic gas that stopped the proper functioning of the nervous system, and led to blood clotting.
These toxic materials cause immediate death, within two to thirty minutes, according to Sham, who admits that these doubts can't be proven, not even by an autopsy.
The director of the same medical center, Ali Mansour, says that due to the strong smell of the corps, he couldn't breath properly for at least 12 hours after the corps were handled.
He explains that the center received eight bodies from Rmeileh last Monday, and none of them was bleeding.
Mansour tells us the hospital wrote to both the commissioner of the European Union for Foreign Affaires Javier Solana, and the United Nations Secretary general Kofi Anan. He said that dr Sham will communicate his doubts to the Doctors Order in Lebanon.

CAN YOU HELP US , PLEASE!



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[azurnoir]

1. question

I am not saying that Israel is innocent here, but how long had these people been dead? Most of the symptoms sound like normal decomposing. The bloating, darkened skin, smell all can be part of decomposition. The dead don't bleed either and blood coagulates intravenously within a few hours of death.

[lvx35]

3. check out the charred skin and unburned hair.

I can't find other pictures like that. Doesn't mean they are not out there, but its making me curious.

[lvx35]

2. That is really wierd.

I am looking right now and I am unable to find pictures of bomb victims with charred flash and hair entact. Either the hair is burnt off, or the hair is entact and the skin is not burned. I am no expert though, but this may require closer scrutiny. If israel is testing new weapons on random targets thats just sick.

[Igel]

4. Most of the pictures that have completely baffled

Iraqi "specialists", and exhibited as evidence of new, mysterious crusader or zionist weapons have also been debunked. Rotting corpses, or partially rotted and dessicated corpses. Those that haven't were simply of too poor a quality to be useful.

The claims about WP have also been swallowed by people that have never actually worked with WP; some people that claim to have worked with white phosphorus also manage to get the relevant chemical properties precisely backwards when it counts most--but that's what's needed for the claims supposedly supported by the pictures to be true.

"These toxic materials cause immediate death, within two to thirty minutes, according to Sham, who admits that these doubts can't be proven, not even by an autopsy." In most cases, IIRC, a fairly quick autopsy *would* show the cause of death. However, he nicely claims that his assertions aren't falsifiable. That moves them into the category of 'belief' .

As for the strong smell of the corps, perhaps they should shower or return to their positions. Unless he means 'corpses', in which case he should expeditiously ID them and get them buried or cremated.

[Waya]

5. Not an expert here.....

....but some of the picture look like it might have been caused by White Phosphorus Weapons, others look like Napalm might have been involved....and others don't look like anything I've ever seen......strange

[Igel]

6. The problem with most of the

white phosphorus claims is that it burns whenever it's exposed to air. Put it on clothing or hair, it'll burn; put it on skin, it'll burn. I've seen it burn on glass and on wood. Some claims are that it burns when in contact with water, but covering it with water would keep it from burning.

[Recursion]

7. I was a graves registration clerk

for the Marines in our current fiasco (but in the "better" -- well, less oh-my-God-the-world-is-ending bad -- period of it). Looks like bombing, incidental fires, and exposure to me. The mutilation of the remains (missing limbs, etc.) comes from the concussive force of the bomb as well as shrapnel that force carries. Bombs themselves rarely burn victims, but they have a definite tendency to start fires in the area that do burn them. Napalm and WP tend to melt flesh off people.

The strong smell the doctor mentioned also suggests these remains were exposed for a significant time and had begun saponification and the production of apidocere -- this results in the horrible blackened and "flowing" look some of them have, and does suggest that Israel is not allowing rescue and recovery personnel to safely recover remains and rescue wounded.

Sham says that only chemical poisonous substances "lead to instant death without bleeding".

I can vouch that this is not true. I processed several remains from explosions in Iraq who were killed instantly by concussion but exhibited no external bleeding (though a few bled from their ears). Their skins were intact but most of their insides were not, apparently (I didn't do autopsies, just tagged the remains and effects).

If these people had been killed by chemical agents, the recovery and morgue teams most likely would have taken casualties too. Also most agents have very distinctive chemical burn marks they leave on exposed skin.

So, if I had to guess as a now-armchair mortuary affairs clerk, I'd say concussion from conventional bombs. Not that that is an "ok" way to kill civilians or anything.