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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:26 PM
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Why are Saudi Royals Backing Israel? Could this be a Class War?
Edited on Fri Jul-21-06 02:30 PM by McCamy Taylor
This interesting tidbit appeared in the news today

"One of Saudi Arabia's leading Wahhabi sheiks, Abdullah bin Jabreen has issued a strongly worded religious edict, or fatwa, declaring it unlawful to support, join or pray for Hezbollah, the Shiite militias lobbing missiles into northern Israel."

http://www.nysun.com/article/36373

Here is what one observer had to say about the fatwa:

"Personally, I wouldn't read too much into it -- the House of Saud has plenty of pet preachers who make a good living cranking out fatwas on royal demand. (Actually, the fact the Saudis felt it necessary to order one up against Hezbollah is probably a lot more significant than the document itself.)"

http://billmon.org/archives/002546.html

While the USA appears to the world to be Israel's greatest ally, do not forget that the Bush family has close ties to the Saudi Royals,too, via the Caryle Group, the employers of Papa Bush and James Baker III. Do not miss the fact that the Taliban that we are no longer fighting and Osama whom we are no longer hunting are related to the Wahhabi, the Saudi Royal's preferred sect of
Islam---preferred because it preaches that the only way to run a devout muslim state is to have a monarchy. All other Islamic sects are scary to the Saudi Royals. because they preach that clerics or the people should run the country, not rich, corrupt, hereditary monarchs.

Sunnis and Shias are the Saudi Royal's worst enemies, for Class reasons, not Israel. Right now Israel is a great lightening rod to redirect anger away from the rich, corrupt, decadent Saudi Royals. Better yet, the Israel Army is fighting the Saudi Royal's Class enemies. If Saudi Arabia can pit Israel vs. Iran and get them to both go "boom", then it will have won the Mid East Chess Match, and the hereditary monarchy will be able to sail its yachts and summer in its resorts and buy its jewels for another five years in blissful peace, while the serfs imported from Africa and South East Asia labor like dogs in their country and their country's oil wealth is squandered with no thought to the future.

Class or economic wars are often framed in terms of religion or race. Look at all the witch hunts and crusades and pogroms in Europe. In WWII, the Germans made a cold blooded decision to villanize Jewish people in order to achieve their goals. Fear of the "other" is very useful when you want to manipulate the masses. I recommend W. J. Cash's "The Mind of the South" for anyone interested in how people can be persuaded to do things which are not in their best interest when they are appealed to in the name of racial solidarity. The same goal can be achieved in the name of religious solidarity. However, if you look closely at many of these conflicts, you will find at their root, an economic cause. A group in power wants to remain in power, so it creates a straw dog and sets its troops to fight it. An oppressed people who have been living in poverty in a land of wealth points to some distinguishing characteristic of the dominant class and calls that characteristic "evil" as their rallying cry.

People keep saying that the violence will not end until the basic problem is solved. I suggest that a solution will not be found until you focus on the correct problem. What if the problem is not Jewish people and Muslim people can never live side by side (they do in the United States and other countries)? What if it is something altogether different?

Why should the people of Israel and Gaza and Lebanon have to die, because a bunch of spoiled Saudi Royals are afraid that their own people may have a French Revolution? Or because Exxon is afraid that oil prices might drop if mid east countries nationalize their oil and starting pumping as much as they want?

If you approach the MidEast as an economic/class problem, solutions become much simpler. The Palestinian crisis becomes a crisis of income disparity---in which case the solution is for the uber rich Saudi Royals to share some of that wealth. There is no reason that they can not provide the Palestinians with enough money to build their own factories, businesses, schools ect. so that Palestinians no longer have to feel like third world citizens in a first world country, which I suspect may be the real problem, income disparity having been shown to be a worse health burden than absolute poverty itself. The US can foot the bill of rebuilding Lebanon, providing schools and hospitals and mosques and all the things that Hezbollah had to provide because the US could not be bothered to give financial support to the democracy which it claimed that it supported. Iran would be encouraged to donate money directly, not through any middle men terrorist groups. In Iraq, pull out US contractors, give the work and money to Iraqis, bring in aid with the goal of restoring the economy (and utilities).

The US had no problem bringing peace to Japan and Germany after WW II. We infused money and prosperity into the two regions. The same will have the same result in the Middle East. The only reason not to try it is if those calling the shots in Washington answer to the Saudi Royals who do not want to see peace and prosperity and democracy outside its own borders, because it might upset those within.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:29 PM
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1. I think it is more for consumption here in America
what is going on secret? The Saudis have no love for Israel.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:31 PM
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2. The Royal Saudis don't want to duke it out with Iran cuz they know
they will lose.

Class as in the richer protecting their own asses and assets is what this part is about. That is why the Saudis stuck with Uncle Saddy until he went into Kuwait because Uncle Saddy was taking on Iran. Oh I forget. That is why we liked Uncle Saddy too.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:32 PM
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4. Exactly
The only link is that Bush is buds with the Saudis and with Israel. They want to rule the world together, but I bet in the end someone gets stabbed in the back.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:36 PM
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7. They're just cheerleading The Apocalypse
They're like the guy in a bar who says, "Hey, don't let him get away with saying that about your mother. You can take that guy!" and then goes and bets $10 that the other guy will win.

The Islamic countries are willing to fight down to the last Palestinian, and The Christian Fundamentalists are willing to fight down to the last Jew.

Israel and Palestine are both just their sacrificial lambs.

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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 09:37 PM
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14. Well said and true! n/t
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:32 PM
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3. Hebollah is radical Shiite, Saudi is radical Sunni.
They have no love for each other. The Saudi's figure they can give this to Bush without too much reprisal at home. They may be in for a big surprise if the bombing of Lebanon continues.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:43 PM
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9. Saudis are Wahhabi
About 10% of Saudis are Shia. So they know exactly how the Sunnis of Iraq feel
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:33 PM
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5. Or maybe...
it's because Hizbollah is just a much of a threat to the Saudi Royals as they are to Israel. If Hizbollah gets a foothold in Saudi Arabia, then then there could be a revolution.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:36 PM
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6. There is certainly something to this
Edited on Fri Jul-21-06 02:38 PM by theboss
However, I'm not sure if the Saudis "restributing" wealth to people far outside their borders is the answer.

I think the easier answer is groups like Hezbollah are as great a threat to the royal family as they are to anyone. The Saudis are simply playing the "enemy of my enemy" card. They would be happy with border violence in Lebanon for antother 60 years as long as it never reaches their soil.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:44 PM
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10. I think you nailed it.
Iran is a target not only of Israel and the United States.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:39 PM
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8. Royal Saudis are the Real players in this
game of using human chess pieces. They have kissup Bush in the palm of their hands.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 03:16 PM
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13. Sort of
Our taking out Saddam and Syria's withdrawal from Lebanon created a huge power vacuum in the Middle East. Hussein and Assad were always checks on each other's (and Iran's) power and were the two strongest Pan-Arab nationalists. One is gone and one lost a lot of his influence. The question today is "Who becomes the dominant player in the Middle East? Iran or Saudi Arabia are probably the two easisest candidates to name.

They are both currently moving chess pieces around the board. It will be fascinating (and dangerous) until one is declared the winner.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 02:48 PM
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11. Lebanon may be doomed....
Sunni Saudi Arabia has no love for the Shiite Hezbollah and given the restructuring of regional power (with the debacle in Iraq yielding an Iran-friendly Shiite majority engaged in civil war against the Iraqi Sunnis), I don't know that they will be at all predictable in this...The House of Saud has enough problems dealing with its Wahabi Sunni fundamentalists and certainly have no interest in strengthening Hezbollah (or Hamas for that matter)...

That they might weigh the equation and decide that they will "side with the US" --even if it means backing Israel, they might just do it...
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 03:08 PM
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12. what an ignorent aticle..
There is no reason that they can not provide the Palestinians with enough money to build their own factories, businesses, schools ect. so that Palestinians no longer have to feel like third world citizens in a first world country, which I suspect may be the real problem

somebody has read a little too much of karl marx and the little red book and not enough middle eastern history...Actually it reads like the "great white man from the west, explaining the problem to the natives...."
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