IDF to appeal human shield ban - 12 October 2005

[NNN0LHI]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm

The Israeli Defence Ministry will appeal against a supreme court ruling banning the use of Palestinian human shields in raids, officials said.

Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz is prepared to make a personal appearance in court to defend the practice, ministry officials added.

Human rights groups have frequently condemned the use of human shields.

The Israeli military believes that the use of Palestinian civilians can often defuse a tense situation.

[ShortnFiery]

1. "use of Palestinian civilians can often defuse a tense situation. "

Now that is SICKO big time.

What ghouls perpetual war turns people into. :cry:

[AnOhioan]

2. Unbeleivable....how low have we sunk as a species. n/t

[Karmakaze]

3. Ok, for how many years...

did Israel and its apologists deny that the IDF used human shields? Now what do those apologists have to say for themselves?

[Scurrilous]

4. B'Tselem: IDF uses Palestinians as human shield (07.21.06)

Human rights organization investigation claims that IDF used 6 Palestinians as human shields for 12 hours. IDF examining claim

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3279175,00.html

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"The human rights organization B'Tselem claims that IDF soldiers used six Palestinians, two of them underage, as human shields for twelve hours during IDF operations this week in Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza strip.

A B'Tselem investigation published Thursday states that during the operation, IDF forces took over two buildings in Beit Hanoun. The residents served as human shields at that time, during which exchanges of fire took place between IDF forces and Palestinian operatives. The organization claims that the soldiers endangered the lives of the Palestinians in the buildings, who were forced to remain where they were, contrary to their wishes.

The investigation further states that, among other things, the soldiers forced a female resident to accompany them during a search of the buildings' apartments, bound the hands of the residents, and put them in a stairwell exposed to gunfire.

B'Tselem drafted a letter to the Military Advocate General, requesting that he open an investigation regarding this matter. The organization demanded that, pursuant to the investigation, the responsible parties be held legally accountable. The letter explained that use of civilians as human shields by military forces, in order to protect the forces from attack, is a violation both of IDF commands and of international humanitarian law."

[TahitiNut]

7. "two of them underage" ... i.e. CHILDREN

But, but, but... only the "OTHER side" does that, right? :eyes:

It amazes me how people get sucked up in the one-sidedness of war fever. It works every time.

[pelsar]

12. little bit of information......

though i hate to ruin a good rant:

which exchanges of fire took place between IDF forces and Palestinian operatives. The organization claims that the soldiers endangered the lives of the Palestinians in the buildings, who were forced to remain where they were, contrary to their wishes.

safest place during an exchange of fire with palestenain is inside a building...running outside is going to get one killed. Had they run outside being totally exposed to the fire, they probably would have been shot. More so its kind of dumb to let someone tell the "other side" how many you are etc....

so....whats the better choice...anybody here dare to answer?

(stairwells being the most central part of the building are considered the safest...but i wouldnt expect anybody here being willing to try to answer a couple of scenarios that actually occur in urban fighting with civilians present...anybody game?


and dont take this as apologetic...its not

[cool user name]

14. Well of course one would spin it that way ...

In defense of the "most moral army in the world."

Israel is incapable of any wrongdoing whatsoever.

</sarcasm>

[pelsar]

16. no its just the "way it works"

urban combat is based on very complext situations with very very difficult moral decisions to make (ask any US soldier whos been involved)...However since the moral choices are very difficult......i'd could supply you with some of the scenarios and you could enlighten me as to the best choice?

i noticed you didnt take me up on my general offer...so consider this a personal one....you game?

[Poll_Blind]

5. The practice is unreal and abominable. The appeal, chilling in the extreme

PB

[jonnyblitz]

6. no comment.

*sitting on hands* :grr: :grr:

[Vidar]

8. Not the IDF of Moshe Dayan or Yitzhak Rabin.

[pelsar]

13. same IDF

your caught up in a fantasy.....

[originalpckelly]

9. Excuse me, but isn't Israel excusing the civilian casualties...

in Lebanon because Hezbollah uses people as shields? Isn't that kind of what terrorists do? Isn't that kind of fucked up? These people are a bunch of sick fucks. (I must mention that I mean the extreme far right of Israel, because I don't think the left would be this fucking insane. Israel's far right and our are a bunch of sick fucks. Remember John Yoo saying it would be okay to crush the testicles of a child, in order to get his father to talk, if the father was a detainee? Here is him saying it:
http://rwor.org/downloads/file_info/download1.php?file=yoo_on_torture.mp3 )

[cool user name]

15. I haven't heard that!

Do you have anymore information about that?

I have "rightwing" friends that don't believe the US uses torture. I could use some more information if you have it.

Thanks.

[Crunchy Frog]

10. Wow. I never knew about that.

And after all the self-righteous talk about their opponents use of human shields. I'll be bookmarking this for sure.

[NNN0LHI]

11. I just seen a nice smiling spokeswoman for the IDF on Larry King...

...complaning about Hezbollah hiding behind civilians to attack Israel.

These people have no shame.

Don