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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:18 AM
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The Shame of Being An American
The Shame of Being An American

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in southern Lebanon? Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear out. Israel then destroys their homes and murders the fleeing villagers. That way there is no one to come back and nothing to which to return, making it easier for Israel to grab the territory, just as Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians.

Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel’s attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads. Considering how often (almost always) Israel misses Hizbollah targets and hits civilian ones, one might think that Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS. Don’t be surprised at US complicity. Why would the puppet be any less evil than the puppet master?

Of course, you don’t know these things, because the US print and TV media do not report them.

Because Bush is so proud of himself, you do know that he has blocked every effort to stop the Israeli slaughter of Lebanese civilians. Bush has told the UN “NO.” Bush has told the European Community “NO.” Bush has told the pro-American Lebanese prime minister “NO.” Twice. Bush is very proud of his firmness. He is enjoying Israel’s rampage and wishes he could do the same thing in Iraq.

Does it make you a Proud American that “your” president gave Israel the green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from Israeli shelling, on residential neighborhoods in the capital of Beirut and throughout Lebanon, on hospitals, on power plants, on food production and storage, on ports, on civilian airports, on bridges, on roads, on every piece of infrastructure on which civilized life depends? Are you a Proud American? Or are you an Israeli puppet?


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http://www.counterpunch.org/Roberts07222006.html
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:26 AM
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1. .
PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS = BIGOT
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:36 AM
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2. Aegis - Open your eyes!!!!!!!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 03:17 AM
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7. My eyes are open...are yours?
Read up on the bigot and get back to me. Just because someone parrots a position you favor, doesn't mean s/he is acceptable, especially at DU. Using the words of a right-wing hack at DU is just sad, even if s/he supports your position. What's next, David Duke quotes and articles?
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 05:57 AM
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13. Your post is 100% right on. we don't want to be singing the
praises of this guy OR Pat Buchanan for the exact reasons you state. :puke:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:40 AM
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3. Well, he sure didn't cover that situation objectively
He's playing a violin for his beloved "Hezbollah" and failing to mention that they murdered 241 PEACEKEEPING US Marines; SW2 Robert Stetham while executing military change of station orders (they dragged him from his plane seat, tortured him, murdered him and dumped him on the tarmac at Beirut airport from the plane they had hijacked); not a word either, about PEACEKEEPER Col. Rich Higgins, either...tortured and hanged by those murderous thugs!!

Americans have nothing to be ashamed of...but that author is, at a very minimum, a "Hezbollah" enabler, a supporter of murderers of our fellow citizens. And a guy who shades facts to make the story come out the way HE wants it to....! If anyone should feel shame, it's him, for neglecting to mention some basic brutal truths about his heroes.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 03:18 AM
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8. He is a right-wing hack.
I can't understand why he is allowed to be used as a source here, even if the article is from a leftist website (which has also had some questionable articles in the past, especially about Israel).
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 03:37 AM
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10. I am sure every women and child running from F-15 know that
I really do not think either side here can claim the high moral ground and as in all the wars of the last 100 years we seem to kill off more old men, women and children than we do the military people. It is a shame to be American when we read today we are shipping out more bombs.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:20 AM
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12. I'm not sure what you are trying to express, here
Are you saying that because the Israelis have better equipment, that that makes the deaths they cause retaliating for an attack on them "more evil" somehow? That the distruction caused by the shi'a militiamen in Lebanon is "less bad" because their lousy Iranian rockets are not as good? That it isn't their fault that they deliberately launch from neighborhoods, and the Israelis strike back to hit the location where the rocket was launched?

War sucks. No one likes it. But we're talking about terrorists who provoked this situation, who hid behind the skirts and toyboxes of women and children, who launched their attacks from neighborhoods and schools, and, to top it off, they have a history of slaughtering UN peacekeepers, our fellow citizens, by the hundreds.

These are NOT nice people. They don't deserve praise, they don't represent the entire population of Lebanon, just one faction, and they answer to imperialist Teheran, that wants to rule the entire Middle East.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:46 AM
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4. I saw the testimony of a 76 year old woman praising
Hezbolla for building hospitals and caring for the low income when no one else did.

W is willing to let the deaths of innocent Lebanese go on. Why should we be surprised. That is what he is doing in Iraq.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 03:11 AM
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6. Hezbollah is responsible for the deaths
of 241 American servicemen in 1983.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

The Marines were in Lebanon on a peace-keeping mission.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:41 AM
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15. What does that have to do with the carnage today? nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 04:10 AM
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11. They are a three headed hydra
The political wing is separate from the charitable wing, which is VERY separate from the militia.

They do this deliberately, to ensure plausible deniability. They usually keep the funding streams VERY separate--in fact, the only time organizations formed on these lines screw themselves is when they mix the terror money in with the charitable cash.

The Muslim Brotherhood, PLO, HAMAS, even the IRA ran their outfits the same way. Political wing, charitable wing, and MILITIA. It's a whole hearts-and-minds set-up.

So Erika, when that woman you saw is talking about hospitals and the payouts from the widows and orphans fund, schools and soup kitchens and what-have-you, she ain't lying. But she's also looking at the murderous militia as part and parcel of those other two entities. when they ARE NOT.

The political and charitable wings are incorporated into the shi'a communities of Lebanon. The militia, though, is separate, interfacing only with select terrorist-resistance fighters, to include shi'as in the Lebanese Army, and they take their orders DIRECTLY from the Ayatullahs in Teheran. Their stated, acknowledged, published goal is the destruction of Israel, and the driving of all the Jews into the sea.

They are NOT nice people, and they are NOT the same as the other wings of Hizb'Allah. There the murderous face of it. But the charitable and political faces look so kind and reasonable, people don't realize the true nature of the armed faction of the organization.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 03:06 AM
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5. I don't accept "counterpunch"
as a valid source---for anything.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 03:19 AM
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9. Roberts is indeed a well known
bigot who writes for hate sites such as Lew Rockwell and VDare. His articles have been repeatedly deleted from DU. He is a self-described paleo-conservative.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 05:59 AM
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14. exactly. you are correct.
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 06:02 AM by jonnyblitz
I have seen other Left news sites use his articles though.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:12 AM
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16. Curiously
All the posts seem to address Roberts' alleged bigotry (Behind the Abaddon - false) or his association with right-wing causes (Cali - true). It's interesting that no one actually addresses his points, like why the US under Bush has not intervened diplomatically to stop - or even limit - the killing of civilians and obviously civilian targets.

An even better question is why are the Israelis contemplating an "incursion" up to the Al Qasmiyah River? Is this a prelude to the re-occupation of Lebanon? Might we see some new settlements in Southern Lebabnon in a few years? After all, in Deuterotomy Lebanon is called "the great northern limit to the land of Israel."

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:28 AM
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19. I simply
will not engage with someone like Roberts or Buchanan. They've demonstrated such bigotry that everything they say is suspect to me. There are other people who make the same points who come from an honorable place, such as Chomsky and Cole.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:39 AM
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21. I couldn't agree more, Cali...
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 07:48 AM by Violet_Crumble
Using discretion when looking at the motives behind what some writers say would go a long way. And I especially agree with yr comment about other people making the same points who are using honourable motives and I don't understand why people don't use their writings instead of relying on the words of known bigots....
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:31 AM
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26. To be consistent
shouldn't this rule apply to posters too then?
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:31 AM
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20. no the israelis arent....
Is this a prelude to the re-occupation of Lebanon?

answer you question?......since your wrong there..you might have to do some rethinking to figure out the motivations of those involved.
(hint...hizballa wants to "occupy israel")
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sinogirl Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:18 AM
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17. bigot or not, everything he says is TRUE.......
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 07:24 AM by sinogirl
Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in southern Lebanon.... TRUE

Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear out...... TRUE

Israel then destroys their homes and murders the fleeing villagers..... TRUE

Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians..... TRUE

One-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel’s attacks on civilian residential districts are children...... TRUE

Impossible for help to reach the wounded because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads..... TRUE

Israel misses Hizbollah targets and hits civilian ones..... TRUE

Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS..... TRUE

Bush has blocked every effort to stop the Israeli slaughter of Lebanese civilians..... TRUE


“your” president gave Israel the green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from Israeli shelling, on residential neighborhoods in the capital of Beirut and throughout Lebanon, on hospitals, on power plants, on food production and storage, on ports, on civilian airports, on bridges, on roads, on every piece of infrastructure on which civilized life depends......... TRUE


Are you a Proud American? YES I AM

are you an Israeli puppet? BY DEFAULT, YES I AM .... (do I have a choice???)



I'm confused, are bigots always this honest...?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:26 AM
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18. Sorry,
hate mongers and bigots don't get a pass when they say something you or I might agree with. I've read some of this guy's venom and it is despicable. In one article he decried Brown v. Board as the worst decision of the 20th century. Quoting people such as Roberts on a progressive site is just embarassing.
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sinogirl Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:09 AM
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25. don't know the guy
just judging his words...
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:44 AM
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22. Even if I die of old age, I seriously doubt any pro Israel poster
will refute any of your points. Mainly because they can't. Israel started this and it wasn't because of any soldiers either.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:45 AM
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23. Nonsense. He's claiming the US is controlled by Israel...
'What will the US and its puppet master do?'

If there was an award for the most uses of the word 'puppet' in an article, this one may win an award....
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:06 AM
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24. are you claiming
that israel runs america?
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 09:42 AM
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27. I agree, but I personally would never use them as references.
I know their views on other things. as a gay guy I am sure I am not popular with them.

even if i agree with them on some issues. I hear you , though.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 09:44 AM
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28. Locking
Guy is on the board of VDare which is well known for it's white supremicist/eugenics viewpoints. Please do not post material from him here.

Lithos
DU Moderator.
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