Regarding Palestine:

[cali]

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I, can answer the following question: From 1948 until 1967, Jordan and Egypt occupied/administered the West Bank and Gaza, respectively. Can anyone tell me if there was any attempt to set up a Palestinian state during those years, and if not, why not?

[4dsc]

1. Perhaps

They were waiting for Israel to abide by the 1948 UN resolution that illegally divived Palestine!!

Your question is badly framed..

[cali]

2. We can argue

til the end of days about whether the U.N. partition was a good idea, but it wasn't illegal. If you're going to go with that one, than every U.N. resolution condemning Israel is also, by your logic, illegitimate.

My question is a valid one. I'm sorry you chose not to answer it in a meaningful way.

[malaise]

3. Please remember that UN Resolutions

apply to everyone but Israel:sarcasm:

[cali]

4. Yes, Israel

has clearly ignored, and wrongly, U.N. resolutions. That doesn't have much to do with my question. Do you have any information on why a Palestinian state wasn't created during those years? Do you think one should have been?

[malaise]

6. 4dsc already answered your question n/t

[cali]

8. What?

there's nothing accurate about this statement: "They were waiting for Israel to abide by the 1948 UN resolution that illegally divived Palestine!!". It hardly constitutes an answer to my question.

Whatever you think about the creation of Israel, it wasn't Israel who didn't abide by the U.N. partition. I suspect that the writer doesn't know anything about I/P affairs.

[4dsc]

20. Whatever you think about the creation of Israel

Its not what I think about the creation but rather the facts about the illegal creation of Israel that matters here..

Your question is badly framed and I made the correction. You obviously didn't like the answer and that's too bad because most Israeli supporter don't want to answer the hard questions.

So here we sit still waiting for Israel to abide by the 1948 UN ruling that illegally divided Palestine..

[liberalhistorian]

21. I don't think it's badly framed,

she's asking a question and requesting legitimate, reasoned dialogue from people more knowledgeable than herself. That's called being intelligent and it's called civilized discussion.

[cali]

5. kick

anyone know anything about this period?

[Ravenseye]

7. Well a couple of things

I think they did NOT try and set up a Palestinian state during those years for 1 reason. Firstly, they didn't do that because it would have been a tacit acknowledgement of the state of Israel. They didn't want a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank. They wanted Palestine. To create a new state would have made it much harder to legitimize their not recognizing Israel.

There were other factors, but really that's the reason.

*on edit*

I had two reasons, and needed to edit down to 1, cause really the other reasons all tied into that first.

[DemonFighterLives]

9. From what I know

The Palestinians existed before Israel was plopped down there.

[cali]

10. That's not an answer.

and sadly is reflective of the shallow thinking of too many here.

[DemonFighterLives]

13. Did you yourself state in the opening that you were looking for answers

I tread on this topic very carefully. The rightwingers state all the time that there was no Palestine and no Palestinians or that they were refuse kicked around.
Dig out a Bible and you will see that there is a Palestine.
From my Christian roots, I know that we are supposed to protect Israel, but I have taken another look at it all. Israel is not happy where they are. The Palestinian people who had a territory or were wandering deserve a place where they can be left alone without expansionists.

I was up on this subject more, but have not kept up. I know that the British first drew the borders and they have never worked well. Something like the UN needs to hold both sides to them when the borders are right.

[burythehatchet]

11. Because Palestinians are poor, powerless

and used as pawns by the arab states in the middle east.

[cali]

12. That's probably

pretty close to the truth. Tragic. The Palestinians have been royally screwed on all sides- including their own leaders.

[Minstrel Boy]

14. My understanding

is that a Jordan which includes the West Bank could be considered a Palestinian state, but the Hashemite dynasty has seen Jordan's Palestinian populace as a threat to its rule. (Remember when it fought and expelled the PLO in early seventies?)

[oberliner]

15. No, and here's why:

The reason why no attempt was made to set up a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza between 1948 and 1967 is because doing so would have implicitly recongize the legitimacy of the State of Israel.

No Arab state during that period believed that Israel had any legitimate claim to any of the land on which it was located.

The Palestinian national movement sought Israel's abolishment and an establishment of an independant state there.

The Palestinian Liberation organization was officially founded by the Arab League in 1964 with its stated goal being the replacement of Israel with an independant Palestinian state.

It was not until 1988 that the charter was amended to recognize Isael and consign its objectives to the creation of a Palestinian state alongside it.


Here is the text of the Palestinian National Charter:

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/plocov.htm

[cali]

17. Thanks

and thanks for the link.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. The Palestinians have been used as footballs by all sides.

Actually, there was move to form a Palestinian state on the West Bank. It was resisted by the King of Jordan for much the same reason that Israel rejected the notion of a non-secular state. Demographically, the Palestinians would eventually control Jordan, as they would if Israel absorbed them and gave them Israeli citizenship. King Abdullah, secretly collaborated with Israel to prevent it.

The Palestinians have never had, nor do they have now, any say in their future.

[cali]

18. Thanks,

Do you have a link to any information on that?

[pelsar]

19. never heard of anything along those lines....

I aways assumed that up until 67 the Palestinians from the Egyptians/Jordanian point of view were a "non entity". The plan in 48 was to divide up the land amongst the invading armies and i dont think that plan actually changed until 67.