The call that tells you: run, you're about to lose your home and

[bennywhale]

possessions"

The voice sounded friendly enough. "Hi, my name is Danny. I'm an officer in Israeli military intelligence. In one hour we will blow up your house."
Mohammed Deeb took the telephone call seriously and told his family and neighbours to get out of the building. An hour later, an Israeli helicopter fired three missiles at the four-storey building in Gaza City, destroying the ground floor and damaging the upper storeys.

Mr Deeb was on the receiving end of a new Israeli tactic of using telephone, radio and leaflets to warn Gazans of impending attacks. The army claims it is an attempt to minimise civilian casualties, but Palestinians say it is a new way of terrorising the population.

Raji Serrani, the director of the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), which has collected several examples of the tactic, described it as "psychological warfare", adding: "Since when did Israel feel the need to warn people that they were about to bomb their homes? They are simply playing with people's minds and inflicting a new panic in Gaza."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1832183,00.html

Sounds pretty sick to me. If they are intending to kill people in the house ie if they think their is a terrorist their they wouldn't ring them to tell them to leave, they know the people are innocent and are terrorising them.

[gorbal]

1. It is better than killing people, I just hope they don't influence anyone.

You know now some sicko somewhere is going to start speed-dialing americans and saying someting similar. Think of it, terrorism that doens't require bombs or even being in the same country.

[bennywhale]

3. But this is terrorism. they know they are innocent

otherwise why would they ring???

They are terrorising the civilian population for political reasons. = Terrorism

[Marie26]

15. That was

a four-story building. So, there'd probably be lots of different people living there. Maybe one person was suspected of being a terrorist or storing weapons, while all the others were innocent. Of course, the proper route would be to arrest the guilty person, but the Gaza strip isn't exactly a bastion of due process. Better a warning than innocent people dead.

[bennywhale]

17. This ain't a one off incident. And if there were terrorists

in the building, and they started ringing everone to get out, don't you think the terrorist would somehow find out????

israel has never done this before. you know as well as i that the happily bomb apartment blocks to oblivion for the sake of one terrorist. It shows the contempt they have for Palestinian lives as compared to an Israeli life.

Something sinister is going on here imo. it looks like terrorism, it sounds like terrorism

[Marie26]

19. So, you'd prefer no warning at all?

Really? We know that Israel is going to use militaristic, harsh tactics in Gaza because that's what they do. We can construct an ideal world where no one's being bombed, but that's the not reality in Gaza. I think the best we can hope for is to minimize civilian casualties. If they hadn't received that call, those people would probably be dead.

[The Stranger]

33. "Before we kill you, we just wanted to call and say 'hi.'"

They most likely murdered the ones who couldn't get to the phone.

[Marie26]

34. Not to say "hi", to say "run".

They probably called all the apts. in the building. And the article says that this man first went to warn all the different apts. before escaping. An hour gives enough time to do that. I think it's interesting that this missile attack destroyed the ground floor, while the upper floors were only damaged. That makes me think that the ground floor was the real target. Often in cities, the ground floor will contain a business/offices, while the upper floors are residential apartments. It might be that Israel was aiming at an office on the ground floor & first warned the civilians living in the upper floors. The Israeli intelligence had some reason for bombing this building (valid or not), and at least had the humanity to warn innocent people first. I'd prefer no bombing at all, but this at least saves lives if they're going to bomb. And they are going to bomb. I can't believe that people are opposed to this. If they hadn't warned, all 4 stories of people would be murdered.

[Recursion]

42. I'm astounded... is anyone *actually* opposed...

...to Israel warning civilians that they are about to bomb a building? Do you want more Palestinians to die?

[newyorican]

45. Hmmm....

It's not like the indigenous people have no experience with deserting their property and trying to return, only to find Israeli squatters (backed up by the IDF) laying claim to said property.

[Marie26]

68. Apparantly, yes. nt

[cool user name]

48. The depravity of your post is appalling.

So, I can warn you to get out of your house before I demolish it?

That makes it okay? After all, they're just Palestinian Arabs. I mean, if this happened to Americans or the British, we'd level some countries.

:eyes:

[Marie26]

67. Oh, yeah, I'm so depraved.

Thinking that maybe warning innocent people first is a good thing. :eyes:

[MrPrax]

79. No...

the poster got it right...and you are being forced to defend the most depraved acts of collective punishment even though history tells us that is a crime against humanity.

[Marie26]

80. What makes you think I'm defending it?

That makes me think that you're an idiot who can't even comprehend a post. Sometimes I think that most people come here in order to rant, react, condemn & punch anyone that they even perceive as disagreeing w/them. Thus, for a pro-Israel poster, anyone questioning the actions is an anti-Semitic monster, and for anti-Israeli, anyone who doesn't immediately start calling for the dissolution of Israel is a Zionist pig. SPARE ME. God forbid if anyone should actually read the article, or try to understand the implications of it. No! No thinking allowed here, knee-jerk flames only. Did you not see where I called the bombing of civilians a probable war crime below? No? Or don't you care? I think you just latched onto me as a way to express your anger & hatred of Israel. I cannot believe that people will actually try to twist a call that saves lives into a BAD thing (as opposed to just bombing innocent people w/o warning), and then actually have the nerve to self-righteously call anyone who wants to minimize civilian casualties a supporter of war crimes. I guess you'd rather they'd be martyrs to the cause? Oh, brave Internet revolutionary! Find another target.

[MrPrax]

81. Inspite of that...

Your comments were still despicable...regardless of how many names you call me.

[Marie26]

82. And I believe that

your comments are despicable. So I guess we're even. People go on Internet message boards in order to condemn a call that saved innocent families. For what reason, I can't even begin to comprehend. I can only conclude that your hatred has blinded you to the most basic compassion. Or that you truly would prefer more civilian casualties. Hard to say.

[Name removed]

83. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Marie26]

84. Yep.

I think it is. And why are you editing your post now? Wanting to protect innocent Palestinians = Stormfront. Oh, airtight logic there. That is the ultimate in lame "debating" points. Message Board Rule #10: When you have no argument & all else fails, call the person who disagrees a Nazi. This leads to intelligent threads like - "You're a Nazi!" "No, YOU'RE a Nazi!" :eyes:

[cool user name]

85. Each of her posts just affirms her position as dispicable.

I tend to not exert energies on such posts but I did feel the need to let you know that you are doing a remarkable job of exposing her position.

[Marie26]

86. Hey, you're back.

Can you explain, in real words, without insults, why it is despicable? Or do you just like flinging insults around? Posters like this are exactly why I, and many other people, won't go to the I/P forum. But this thread has been dragged down now. So I'm curious. Here is my actual postion, as opposed to what you'd like to say it is: The bombing of a civilian building is horrible, & if this wasn't a legitimate military objective, the bombing is probably a war crime as well. But if the IDF is going to bomb a civilian building, it is better if they warn the inhabitants first, rather than attacking it w/no warning at all for the innocent people inside.

[cool user name]

87. Which is morally corrupt.

Your actual stated position:

But if the IDF is going to bomb a civilian building, it is better if they warn the inhabitants first, rather than attacking it w/no warning at all for the innocent people inside.

How quaint is that? Call anything a "legitimate military target" and voila, you have justification for war crimes!

Convenient!

Convenient, though no less dispicable as is your position.

[Marie26]

88. Baloney

You have no idea what was in that building & neither do I. If it was a stockpile of weapons, yeah, it's a military target. That's like every war ever. International law specifically forbids attacks against civilians. And you have AGAIN twisted my position. Whether it's a valid military target or not, it is better to warn the civilians first before bombing it. That's more than we gave the people in Iraq. Of course the IDEAL is no violence at all, but that's not a reality right now in the Gaza strip. Here's my question, straight out - would you prefer they did not do these warnings?

[cool user name]

89. False dilemma.

You present only two options as if there isn't a third.

I would rather they not bombing the buildings at all.

[Marie26]

90. Now that's a false construct

Seems to me like you're dodging the question. Yeah, we'd all prefer that Israel wasn't bombing Gaza. We'd prefer that there's no war at all, that's a given. But that's not the reality. Isreal is currently fighting w/Hamas in Gaza. Your answer is not a realistic one - Israel is not going to stop the bombing just because we wish it wasn't happening. Given the reality - that Israel is bombing in a populated area, should they first call & warn civilians or shouldn't they? The answer of any humane person should be to encourage a policy that's lessening the civilian casualties.

[cool user name]

91. The answer of any humane person would be to

reject Israel's collective punishment of the Gaza population.

[Marie26]

92. As I have.

Collective punishment of civilians is a war crime & unacceptable. And as I reject a policy that would bomb civilians unawares. What boggles my mind is that I post that it's better to warn civilians first & am promptly accused of being a Nazi, despicable, & supporting war crimes. DU really sucks sometimes. It seems like partisans on either side of this issue like to jump to conclusions about someone's motives & start the flames instead of having a real dialogue. And yes, you are one of those people.

[Recursion]

71. Presumably they weren't out to kill "terrorists"...

...they were out to destroy the building and whatever was being stored in it (1 hour is long enough to get your family and personal belongings to safety; not long enough to move an MLRS or fuel tank to a new location). And since they just destroyed the 1st floor of the building my assumption (again, just an assumption) is that they had a pretty good idea of what specific room had the object(s) they wanted destroyed in it.

[Dead_Parrot]

2. Bingo

Sounds pretty sick to me. If they are intending to kill people in the house ie if they think their is a terrorist their they wouldn't ring them to tell them to leave, they know the people are innocent and are terrorising them.

They're basically admitting to targeting civilian structures. (=war crimes)

:grr:

[ThomCat]

23. Agreed. They're admitting that that they target civilian homes.

[MGD]

35. If there are Hezbollah terrorists in the building, it isn't really

a civilian structure anymore. I'll readily admit that it is pretty fucked up to blow up people's houses like that but others need to admit that it's equally fucked up for Hezbollah to be conducting large scale military operations from inside apartment complexes and such. That's fucked up on many levels IMO. Once again, I can only blame Syria and iran for funding this alter-government within a sovereign nation.

[Marie26]

37. Gaza = Hamas, Lebanon = Hizbollah, nt

[cool user name]

49. That would be "alleged"

What happened to due process?

I can arbitrarily designate anyone's home as a terrorist haven now? All actions justified with a mere utterance of the word "terrorist."

Whatever.

:shrug:

[Norquist Nemesis]

93. If there are Hezbollah terrorists, why are they giving them an hour's

warning to get out of the building?

[Kailassa]

4. When Hitler commited genocide, it was anti-semitism.

When Israel commits genocide, any criticism of them for doing it is anti-semitism.

All the reasons given are lies, what Israel wants is control of all the regions water supplies.

What they really need is for Jesus to return and reverse an earlier miracle; and turn all their wine into water. ;-)

[gulfcoastliberal]

9. Genocide?!

Your're insane. So you think the Holocaust was equivalent to this? Try going to the library and reading some books and what constitutes genocide.

One example is what the Ottoman Arabs did to the Armenians. That's genocide. Drop the hyperbole.

[leesa]

20. That's right. We don't count the Palestinian deaths, therefore it's not

genocide. Someday we'll just wake up and they'll all be gone and we'll wonder where they went.

[liberalhistorian]

46. And the USA and Britain obviously

won't give a damn where they went, that's for sure. Just like nobody gave a damn about millions of disappearing Jews until it was too late, and even then too many didn't care. What we learn from history is that we learn NOTHING from history, but repeat the same shit over and over and over again.

[cool user name]

51. That's a funny statement about a sad situation. n/t

[Marie26]

21. That term is overused

To the point where it becomes meaningless. The Gaza strip is horrible, but it isn't genocide.

[bdamomma]

26. one correction it was the Ottoman Turks who massacred

Armenians, and what is happening to these people in the Middle East is like ethic cleansing.

[UndertheOcean]

44. Umm .. the Ottommans were Turks , not Arabs...

This should be a simple Historic fact.Read History first then discuss.

[cool user name]

50. Ummm, that would be Ottoman Turks.

Not Ottoman Arabs.

But you couldn't pass an opportunity to apologize for Israel and bash Arabs at the same time.

:eyes:

[Nihil]

10. Exactly right.

> What they really need is for Jesus to return and reverse an earlier
> miracle; and turn all their wine into water.

Or go back a bit further still and watch the rivers all turn to blood.
There again, looks like they don't need any supernatural assistance
in doing that bit ...

[LynnTheDem]

5. Of course it's terrorism.

As the OP so correctly pointed out; WHY destroy the house UNLESS it's full of terrorists...and if so, why would you call them & warn them to leave???

Or gee, perhaps it's a new WAR ON HOMES!

Of course it's terrorism.

[B3Nut]

6. All bombing is ultimately terrorism.

You can bomb the world to pieces
But you can't bomb it into peace. - Michael Franti

Todd in Beerbratistan

[Bridget Dooley]

7. B3Nut, I am with you!

Bombing IS terrorism. All war is terrorism. There's always a better way.

[furman]

12. How do you deal with a ruthless enemy that wants you "wiped off the map"?

Hezbollah is committed to the destruction of Israel and the establishment of a fundamental Islamic state, nothing less.

That is non-negotiable.

[Minstrel Boy]

16. Did you read anything before that dropping that boilerplate?

First of all, it's Gaza, not Lebanon. Not that it matters, other than for comprehension.

And secondly, they are telling people to run for their lives before destroying their homes. A threat to Israel is not being eliminated here, unless a civil society is considered indistinguishable from terrorists.

[Recursion]

74. Oh, so you know what their target was?

That's funny, because all I saw in the article was the fact that they hit the first floor of a 4-story building, not what they were aiming at, and that they warned the civilians in the building to get out before they hit it. You apparently have some information that the target was these people's homes on the upper floors, not whatever was on the first floor that they hit. I would be interested in that information, since clearly it's very relevant to the question.

[toopers]

14. Maybe the terrorists shouldn't live among the civilians

Or maybe the civilians should not put up with terrorists living and stock piling weapons in their homes.

[ThomCat]

24. That's B.S.

Once they make that call the entire building is going to know pretty quickly, so if there was a terrorist there they've just let him get away. And on top of that, if they're doing this in a wide-spread manner there is absolutely no reason to believe there are terrorists living in every building, or that Israel would know this for sure.

So Israel is simply bombing civilian buildings. Warning people in advance is a PR move so they can claim they are being humane about it. It's a diversion from the fact that bombing the homes of innocent people is terrorism.

It's horrible how you assume that there are terrorists in there buildings without the slightest shred of evidence. Not one stockpile of weapons has been reported in any of these bombed buildings.

[cool user name]

53. Like they have a choice.

Maybe we should stop electing presidents that invade other countries?

So do we deserve to have our homes destroyed because of Bush and his terrorist henchman/women?

Poor excuse for an argument. Piss poor.

[Joanne98]

8. Where are they getting the phone numbers?

They must have Choicepoint in Israel.

[Recursion]

43. Israel runs the Gaza telcos still, I think nt

[furman]

11. The house probably was suspected of a storage location for weapons

or other supplies that Israel wants destroyed.
Maybe it was a safehouse for Hezbollah militia.

Many people are supporters of Hezbollah although are not active in the militia.
These people are considered civilians and Israel usually does not want to target them.

Please, why would Israel want to "terrorize" civilians?

[bennywhale]

18. This was in Gaza not Lebanon

[Marie26]

13. At least they're warning them

Some warning is better than no warning at all.

[ThomCat]

25. That begs the question,

Why are they bombing homes in Gaza? Why are they bombing homes at all? Why don't you consider this war a war-crime?

[bdamomma]

29. it should be considered a war crime

this has all been fuelled by the thugs in the WH, and by Israel, carefully orchestrated by us, and for what the capture of 2 Israelis soldiers!!!!!!!!! there is alot we are not being told or shown. If anyone saw the Newshour PBS it was mentioned how sanitized our news is and how we do not see the real picture of what is happening out there. Out in the Middle East they have something like 300 stations to get their news from including ours, they probably cry when they see ours. We do have sanitized news.

[Marie26]

36. It might be

It mostly depends on whether the building was a legitimate military target or not. If there really were weapons caches/combatants in the building, then it probably isn't. If they're just bombing random Palestinian houses to harass them, I'd say that it's a deliberate targeting of civilians & a war crime. We don't really know why this house was targeted. But I guess I've become very practical & cynical. Even if it's a war crime to destroy this building, better a warned bombing that kills 3 innocent people, rather than an unwarned bombing that kills 200. The war crime here would be the bombing itself, not the warning.

[sofa king]

22. It's not a house, it's a building.

Which means that the monsters that the Arabs so desperately want you to hate are warning innocent neighbors to get away before the headquarters, office, storage depot, or lair that they really want (and which was intentionally hidden amongst civilians) is destroyed.

Ordinarily this might be viewed as a gesture meant to save lives in the midst of a guerrilla war, but the Arab bullshit machine has quickly rivaled that of the Republican Party in its ability to twist any fact in its favor.

Thus, trying to save the of lives of innocent Palestinians in the fire zone is a mind game. Hunting down the people bent on murdering innocent Israeli civilians is criminal.

Leaving the guerrillas alone to complete their extermination of the Jews--that's A-Okay.

This is why we're not in charge of our own country anymore--we're too damned stupid to read between the lines and understand what's really going on. I'm beginning to think that not only are we condemned to our fate, we just might deserve it.

[ThomCat]

27. Do you have even a shred of evidence that

there were any weapons in any of the buildings they've bombed? Or are you just pulling hypothetical justifications out the air?

Israel has a long history of destroying the homes of innocent people simply as a terror tactic. It's nice that they're trying to avoid killing as many innocent civilians, but it's still a war-crime to destroy the homes of innocent people.

[mccoyn]

30. Well the reporter seems to leave that out.

While having multiple accounts from Palestinians, the reporter failed to even ask the Israelis for a comment. While thats understandable if the reporter is on the scene, we shouldn't be passing judgment on this article alone. It only provides facts for one side.

[ThomCat]

32. The facts on one side?

Are you saying that this is acceptable because Israel hasn't announced that they suspect there were weapons? Israel has a lot more people represnting them in the press than the Palestinians. The lack of an announcement from Israel is even more damning. It means that they aren't even pretending that the bombing is justified.

And even if Israel issued a blanket statement that they suspect weapons or terrorists in every building, would that be credible?

If they have any reason to suspect that there are weapons on one apartment then raid that one appartment. There is no possible justification for destroying homes of innocent civilians.

[Minstrel Boy]

28. It's not a house, it's a home

This isn't a courtesy call to neighbours:

"Hi, my name is Danny. I'm an officer in Israeli military intelligence. In one hour we will blow up your house."

Seriously: Jesus Christ.

[Recursion]

73. It is (was) a four-story building

And neither you nor I know what was on the first floor that the IDF wanted to hit.

[Raster]

31. All houses are buildings. This one happened to be an occupied home.

What a fictional web you weave. Anything to back it up besides some reference on a blatantly pro-Israel, anti-Arab webrag?

[Why Syzygy]

76. It has yet to be established

that this is officially sanctioned by IDF or any other formal agency.
Could there not be a rouge "officer" making phone calls from conscience?

Many things have yet to be established. The bandwagon IS interesting. And dangerous.
Let's all do take a step back and consider our critical thinking skills.

[Recursion]

38. Umm... are we now criticizing Israel for warning civilians?

They want to blow up the building because they think it has weapons or equipment or supplies for Hamas or Al Aqsa. They're warning the civilians in the building to get out, and it sounds like giving them enough time to give out but probably not giving Hamas or Al Aqsa enough time to redeploy that cache of stuff.

What do you want them to do? Blow the building up with people in it?

Yes, yes, I know you'd rather them not blow up the building at all, but for whatever reason that building is a military objective to them, so let's take it as a given that they're going to blow it up. Are we seriously supposed to criticize Israel for trying to reduce civilian casualties?

The comment by the guy being interviewed is interesting... "Since when did Israel feel the need to warn people that they were about to bomb their homes?" Well, apparently since a few days ago. How can it be a bad thing that they're doing that?

[Imperialism Inc.]

40. Can we assume you were similarly OK with the US assualt on

Fallujah. After all they did warn everyone to get out of town.

[Recursion]

41. I certainly won't criticize the warning

I'm not saying Israel was right to blow up the house, or we were right to blow the hell out of Fallujah. I just find it surreal that Israel is being criticized for warning civilians of an impending strike.

[Kailassa]

47. I take it you don't mind if I fly by and blow your home

and all your belongings to smitherees, provided I give an hours warning.

You might even pat me on the back.

[Recursion]

69. I'd certainly prefer that to your blowing it up...

...with me in it.

[Kailassa]

75. thought so ... you make a false argument

that there are only 2 choices,
and then you are left having to agree to something ridiculous.

[cool user name]

54. We're criticizing her for blowing up homes!

Couldn't give a donkey's butthole about the warnings.

It's a no brainer but some people can't see a war crime for what it is.

Hear no evil, speak no evil, eh?

[Recursion]

72. Hmmm....

So:

The IDF has identified the building as a target.

The IDF warns the occupants of that building to get out.

The IDF shoots a rocket into the first floor of that building, damaging it and (presumably) destroying whatever the target was.

Isn't this exactly what people here have been calling on Israel to do? Limit attacks to those with military significance and minimize civilian casualties? Is the real lesson here that you don't think Israel should engage in any military operations in Gaza?

[Meshuga]

39. Damned If You Do, Damned If You Don't n/t

[MGD]

52. I was just about to say the exact same thing.

[bennywhale]

55. The call that tells you: run, you're about to lose your home and

possessions"

The voice sounded friendly enough. "Hi, my name is Danny. I'm an officer in Israeli military intelligence. In one hour we will blow up your house."
Mohammed Deeb took the telephone call seriously and told his family and neighbours to get out of the building. An hour later, an Israeli helicopter fired three missiles at the four-storey building in Gaza City, destroying the ground floor and damaging the upper storeys.

Mr Deeb was on the receiving end of a new Israeli tactic of using telephone, radio and leaflets to warn Gazans of impending attacks. The army claims it is an attempt to minimise civilian casualties, but Palestinians say it is a new way of terrorising the population.

Raji Serrani, the director of the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), which has collected several examples of the tactic, described it as "psychological warfare", adding: "Since when did Israel feel the need to warn people that they were about to bomb their homes? They are simply playing with people's minds and inflicting a new panic in Gaza."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1832183,00.ht...

Sounds pretty sick to me. If they are intending to kill people in the house ie if they think their is a terrorist their they wouldn't ring them to tell them to leave, they know the people are innocent and are terrorising them. The IRA used to sometmes warn people before a bomb. This is State terrorism

[Behind the Aegis]

56. Well...

Those evil Israelis...how dare they try to minimize civilian deaths?! :eyes:

[Robbien]

59. yeah right

They believe they have come up with just the right tactic to go around dropping bombs on men, women and children. Israel: "Hey we are doing you a favor you stupid Palistinians, we want to destroy your house and your way of life, but if you run fast enough you will escape being blown to bits when we drop a bomb on you and your family. Run you dumb Palistinians, Run."

[wellst0nev0ter]

66. No, He's Right

everybody would be thrilled if Hezbollah warned the Israelis or dropped leaflets before they fired their rockets :sarcasm:

[bennywhale]

61. Yep minimising civilian deaths. I see your mouth moving but all

i hear is bla bla bla bla

"Poltical language is designed to make lies truthful, murder respectable and give the appearance of solidity to pure wind" George Orwell

[Robbien]

57. Oh dear lord, this is so wrong on so many levels

The US/Israel have so much to answer for.

[MADem]

58. What is sicker, though?

There are a couple of issues here. If a house is being used as a staging point for terror, and it is so identified, it needs to be taken out.

The tactic of HIDING AMONGST THE CIVILIANS is a popular one (we see Hizb'Allah doing it up in southern Lebanon as well, and no one seems willing to criticize them for it) and it is pretty damn chickenshit, if you ask me. Shoot from the roof of a house full of kids, and then cry foul when that house takes return fire.

Would you prefer that they go back to the old way, and dispense with the warnings?

[bennywhale]

60. The point is they were targeting terrorists they would just destroy the

house and everything in it without warning.

"Would you prefer that they go back to the old way, and dispense with the warnings?"

They still are doing that. this isn't a new and uniquely used tactic, its a different and alternative one. they can remove whole neighbourhoods now from 10,000 feet, just a quick phone call to tell people to run for their lives and their we go. Why would they want to destroy innocent peoples homes??? and terrify them????

If that happened to me and my house, you'd probably keep running. This is state terrorism that mentally attacking the Palestinians, hey it may even empty out a few areas for some reason or another. I wonder what you could do with empty places once all residents have been terrified into leaving??????? hmmm??

Israel has shown in Gaza and Lebanon over the past few weeks (and there have been lots of deaths in gaza while the world wasn't watching, funny that, similar thing happened just after 9/11) that they don't give a shit about arab lives, muslim lives, or anyone who is not of their country, religion, or has brown skin. 100s of dead children and they do not flinch. I suppose in a twisted way, got to admire their ruthlessness...

but then you think naa they're killing 100s of innocent people, fuck em, i don't admire anything about what they are doing.

[Recursion]

70. People keep pointing out...

...that there is no evidence that the house was used as a staging point or supplies cache for Hamas. True. There's also no proof that it wasn't. We don't know why the IDF chose to destroy that house; given the IDF's history it was probably for a stupid reason. The fact that people are complaining about the IDF warning civilians, though, fits in with Hamas's primary tactical plan, which seems to be to create as many Palestinian martyrs as possible.

[Why Syzygy]

77. HIDING AMONGST THE CIVILIANS

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but they ARE the "civilians". The people who don't fight want "fighters" there for protection and because in most cases, they represent the "people".

Is it right? Is killing anyone for any reason "right"?

[Poppyseedman]

62. How about......

"Hi, my name is Danny. I'm an officer in Israeli military intelligence. In one hour we will blow up your house. Please remain in doors, say your prayers to Allah and do not warn any known guerrilla (terrorist) hiding in your neighborhood or home. Please do not remove any missiles and leave the bunker door open"

"Thank you and have a nice day, Slalom " Click


Yeah, that's the ticket

[Javaman]

63. What if there is a busy signal? SOL? nt

[Igel]

64. Yes.

They'd be blasted in SOLitude.

[Igel]

65. Link's moved.

New one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1832084,00.html

I heard about this in Lebanon, didn't know they were doing it in Gaza.

I'm always curious what they've targeted. I know in Lebanon they targeted banks that Hezbollah used, or were suspected to use. Hezbollah says to wire funds to a certain account in a certain bank, and in fairly short order the bank becomes rubble. Banks quickly learned not to collaborate. At least not publicly--and since Hezbollah seemed to want funds, it had trouble with that restriction.

[Why Syzygy]

78. The bank

sending or receiving the wire transfer ended up in rubble?
How could a "wire" transfer possibly influence the value of a standing building?