We have learned nothing from history.

[atfqn]

I saw a link to this video on another forum and I was so absolutely disgusted I thought I should share it. (Guess that makes me a sick puppy - but thankfully not as sick as the actions of those in video.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqvLtoWBpTU&mode=related&search=

Israeli children being protected by Israeli soldiers as they harass and stone Palestinian women and children coming from school. I read the description on another forum and I had to see the video with my own eyes to believe it.

Have we learned nothing? Has history not shown us what lies down this path?

[Breeze54]

1. Whatdoya mean "we"???

Speak for yourself.

[atfqn]

8. I say we

because I am not doing anything to stop this and I suspect neither are you. When one learns a lesson they try to ensure the same mistake is not made again. As a species we should all be able to recognize past mistakes. So I say again WE have learned nothing from history.

Maybe the older generations would like to tell some of us newcomers what their thoughts are.

[Breeze54]

11. How the hell would you know what I do or don't do?

:shrug:

[mike_c]

2. never has a more accurate subject line been written-- K&R....

eom

[sweetheart]

3. History teaches us?

That men are always fighting somewhere on this planet about something. Its
usually stupid, and they are usually bigoted, dehumanizing each other and all
sorts of vile crap from racism to toruture, summary executions of civilians
and displacment and erasure of civilians as a new democracy, as when they are
not there, they can't vote. So the trick is to make sure that all your opponents
cant get work, then they won't be able to get jobs in town and will have to leave
to survive, and thus you will have a 1 party state where everyone is safe
from democracy.

They've learned so so much about brainwashing and mass media corruption from the
nazis and others, how to refine the techniques to even *better* achieve the new
reich and take any population to endorse a land war in asia for peetsake.

History teaches us to expect kapital to ultimately corrupt itself, when it
tightens the noose on the slaves, the only ones left hanging are the government.

[Philosoraptor]

4. Now let's not use the N word, or you've lost the argument.

just kidding. If you say nazi, some people instantly dismiss you as a name calling jerk, yet, the comparisons stand.

[Homer Wells]

6. Notwithstanding the popular assumptions,

why is it considered such a totally negative thing to refer to the Nazi Regime or Hitler?

The 1930's and 1940's in Germany were real; Hitler was a real person, and was looked upon as a very bad person, and is still regarded as a reprehensible monster today.

His era is now considered almost mythological, a time which can never be repeated because such evil can never again exist in a civilized (?)world. Therefore, any reference to Hitler and his Regime is considered inflammatory and an unfair labeling of the evils of the present.

Folks, it has only been 61 years since the death of this man and his regime. Do people actually think that this was a "one-and-only" occurrence. When it looks, talks, acts,and quacks like a duck, I think it is quite disingenuous to claim that references to said duck is off limits.

Many today still respect this era of history, and all the Third Reich stood for, (skin-heads, Aryan Resistance, white supremacists, and their ilk). I'm not saying that some skepticism regarding Hitlerian references is bad, but this blanket denial of such comparisons ain't all that great either.

:eyes:

[patdem]

5. I am on dial up so it is still loading..but the comments are disgusting

I am sure I will not like the soldiers or the little girls, but I sure as hell think the comments are WAY over the top! They ARE Anti-Semetic to say the LEAST!

[Vexatious Ape]

7. Wow

The combination of religion and nationalism have turned these little brats into thugs.

[breakaleg]

9. That is deplorable!!! How can Israel condone this kind of thing

given their history? They, more than anyone know what it's like to be victems of hate and the consequences of that.

I hope they are shooting themselves in the foot by allowing this kind of thing. They are becoming as bad as those they criticize.

[Igel]

10. Long-term history here.

The video is routinely at at http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/video.html, second video on the page (currently) and the summary is:

'In May 2005, a group of teenage settler girls attacked the students and teachers at Qurtaba School, blocking their way out of the school as a police officer filmed and soldiers watched. The settlers sing and chant in Hebrew, "There is no Palestine, this is Israel" and "there are no Palestinians." Settler boys in the street then blocked the stairs by stoning the students as they tried to come down the stairs. The students scream and run, but are blocked from every direction. The police and soldiers do not protect the students.'

I think I'd say that the police and soldiers tried to keep the peace, and in once case even thwacked a boy about to throw a rock. In another instance, security broke up an incipient tussle when a Palestinian woman lunged at an offensive girl. The mutual hostility is palpable. The security folk may be sympathetic to the settlers--it's actually hard to tell, viewed other than through the lens of solidarity with the Palestinians. But security certainly knew something was going to happen; as did the ISM folk. Whether their presence altered the dynamics I can't know.

But this is Hebron. "Tel Rumeida" masks a thousand years of hateful, intolerant history. The settlers there are the most extreme, and the entire issue is the Mosque of Abraham/Cave of the Patriarchs. That's where Baruch Goldstein from nearby Kiryat Arba killed some Palestinians in a massacre. It's where Jews weren't allowed to pray when it was under Muslim rule, relegated to the steps. Even now they're barely allowed in.

These folk are not usually illegal settlers (in the sense "people who illegally settle", not the offensive "illegal people who settle"); they're very careful to not be illegal settlers. They buy where they live or otherwise have some legal hook. They're simply repulsively hostile to Arabs. Meanwhile, they're also frequently prevented (mostly by the Israeli government) from living where they own property/land because the response from the Palestinians would disrupt the peace.

They consider themselves something like "the resistance".

Isn't intolerance just grand?