The UN has become an Islamist Mouthpiece!

[rini]

A group that gives Libya a seat on the Human Rights Commission, Ignored Saddam''s murder of Kurds, says nothing about Saudi school girls allowed to burn to death because they didn't have their veils....in contrast


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030917-104553-4335r.htm

Jews can be proud of a Jewish state that gives a unique example in history of democracy. Israel is the real champion of human rights
in the Middle East. In Israel you can be very right wing or left wing, for private economy or socialist economy. ... Individuals there are protected by an independent court, by opposition newspapers.
"Only in Israel, do women have full rights; in the other countries of the region, women cannot travel without the permission of their husbands. People of different sexual orientations . Only in Israel, Arab members of Parliament can freely criticize their country."


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So are they nuts!!:freak:

[Darranar]

1. Ah, Israel respects human rights so deeply...

They would never even CONSIDER building a gigantic wall in the middle of the Palestinians' land!

[papau]

2. It has been for more than 40 years - everyone needs oil and oil friends

But the check points prevent do prevent much more than just violence - including a lot of economic activity without which there is a lot of misery - and that is the basis of most of the report.

I have heard of no solution except allow more violence by removing the check points.

It is a lousy situation.

[xchrom]

3. well there is always the obvious

that israel -- as it exists now -- is not a viable state.
it's barely that anyway without u.s. support.
at some point israel will have tollow the ''return''. that's what 2 million more people looking at land that until 1948 was theirs.
had disease not wiped out first nations people here -- america would look very different today -- maybe israel is going to look very different in the future.

[Muddleoftheroad]

5. Fantasy

There is no way in hell that 2 million Palestinians are going to "return" to Israel. Israel IS a viable state. It just so happens that the Arabs and their friends refuse to acknowledge that reality.

[Darranar]

6. It's a VIABLE state...

the question is whether it's a legitimate one.

[Muddleoftheroad]

7. It's there

Ergo, it's legit.

If you go questioning state legitimacy, I doubt few nations would truly exist. Most are the result of wars and conquest.

[Darranar]

8. I know...

that's why I accept Israel's existence - whether it should have existed or not.

[Muddleoftheroad]

9. Now if only the Arabs would do so

But they seem eager to change history after the fact.

[Darranar]

10. They do?

didn't Corwn Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia offer universal Arab recognition of israel in trade for withdrawal from all of the West Bank and Gaza?

[Muddleoftheroad]

12. I think there was a lot more to that offer

Than just land. I think right of return remained an issue and even the land issue gets into all sorts of debate about water and other rights.

Accepting that a nation exists should not be subject to negotiation. When you start from that position, the nation you won't accept doesn't accept anything else you have to say. And who could blame them.

[Violet_Crumble]

14. Which nations currently say that they don't recognise Israel's existance?

Just curious...

Violet...

[Muddleoftheroad]

31. Based on what I can find

Almost all of them fail to recognize Israel. That was part of the bogus peace plan from the Saudis that included recognition.

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2002/feb/27/world/20020227wor1.html

I'm guessing here, but I think probably only Jordan and Egypt do recognize Israel.

[emad]

4. Remember the recent story about the Jewish girl married to

the Palestinian in Ramallah, who weren't allowed to cohabitate because of Israeli segregation laws?.....That kind of apartheid is pretty hard to swallow, regardless of the security situation.

[Cassandra]

35. Link,please

Immigration policies (I assume that's what you mean by segregation laws)are not automatically to be considered apartheid, particularly because of the security situation.

[cspiguy]

11. well DUH

as if we needed to be told...

[Violet_Crumble]

13. That's news to me...

The UN ignored Saddam's gassing of the Kurds? I think you better recheck yr facts. The UN sent several fact-finding teams who all reported back that Saddam was gassing the Kurds. Each time US policy-makers insisted that both sides were guilty, there wasn't enough conclusive proof that gas was being used, and refused to sanction Saddam, who saw that as a green light to keep on going....

As for the article. Pretty predictable considering who's using the same old tired arguments. It doesn't matter how wonderfully a nation treats its own citizens if it's treating others worse than a dog...

Violet...

[Darranar]

16. They should have pressured him to stop...

but I don't think sanctions would have made one whit of a difference.

[Violet_Crumble]

18. How?

How was the UN supposed to do that when the US would have opposed every attempt to do so?


Violet...

[Darranar]

20. I was speaking of the US...

working in concert with the UN. I don't like US foreign policy any more than you do.

As long as Saddam was being used against Iran, nothing would have been done against him by the US. I'm talking about what the US should have done, which it didn't do.

[Violet_Crumble]

23. I don't think the US wanted to work in concert with anyone...

First of all they would have had to admit that they knew what was happening to the Kurds, and they weren't willing to do that at the time...


Violet...

[Darranar]

26. I agree with you completely...

Once again, my only point is that if the US had had the foreign policy that it pretends to have, they would have worked in concert with the UN. Instead, they stood by and watched as 100,000 Kurds were gassed.

[Violet_Crumble]

28. I figured you did...

I've never taken you as one of the UN-bashers who make the mistake of bashing away without having the slightest clue about what UN foreign policy was at the time and how that translates sometimes into a lack of action from the UN...

Violet...

[pansypoo53219]

15. I am sick and tired of that unique example of democracy

Isreal is just as theocratic as all the other ME states. just the other side of the same coin. And they may be a small state in the middle of enemies, but they sure are acting like a bully.

[newyorican]

17. That's strange...

I click on the link looking for an article titled, "The UN has become an Islamist Mouthpiece!" and I can only find an article titled, "Sharansky says Israel gets bad rights rap".

Is it a bad link?

[Darranar]

19. No...

rini's post listed the wrong article name - or perhaps she made it up.

[IndianaGreen]

32. Rini did not post the title of the article about Sharansky

Rather than post the title of the article on the drivel spewed by that Russian emigre Sharansky, rini used his/her interpretation of what Sharansky was saying on the title of the thread.

[newyorican]

33. I didn't think...

we were supposed to come out and say it that plainly.

[IndianaGreen]

34. I am speculating as to what happened

The thread's subject is the gist of what Sharansky said in the Washington Times article. It won't be the first time someone has inserted their own subject on a thread rather than use the title of an article. LBN and I/P are the only two forums that require the actual title of the article as the thread subject.

Rini can do what I did and change the wording of the subject line.

We can look so stupid when something that is self-evident cannot be discussed openly without the fear of retribution. This forum in particular, is a good example of what a liberal board is not supposed to be.

[Violet_Crumble]

21. Yeah, I noticed too...

but the excerpt that was posted was from that article, so maybe there was some creative titling going on somewhere...

Violet...

[Darranar]

22. That's my guess. n/t

n/t

[newyorican]

24. So there is no article titled, "The UN has become an Islamist Mouthpiece!"

Is there?

[Violet_Crumble]

25. Nope...

I took a look round the site and there was nothing...


Violet...

[newyorican]

27. typical

some, obviously feel they are above:

A. Forum Rules
B. International Law
C. UN Resolutions
D. All of the above

[Violet_Crumble]

29. Yeah....

I think D applies, but with a very heavy emphasis on A...


Violet...

[IndianaGreen]

30. The US was complicit in Iraq's murder of Kurds

Should I also mention how the CIA backstabbed the Iranian Kurds after using them to keep the Shah in line?

Jews can be proud of a Jewish state that gives a unique example in history of democracy. Israel is the real champion of human rights.

Israel is not a democracy, it is a religious version of a plutocracy on the slippery slope to a theocratic dictatorship. A democratic Israel would not give special privileges to the religious class, and would have granted full citizenship rights to everyone, Jew and non-Jew alike, including the Palestinians (the alternative being the immediate and unconditional withdrawal from the lands occupied since 1967).

The biggest joke is to say that Israel is the real champion of human rights. Compared to whom? This is like comparing American Southern slavery to South Africa apartheid! Apartheid may appear to some as a triumph of a human rights compared to slavery. To the ones being subjugated, there are only semantic differences between the two.

Only in Israel, do women have full rights

Iraqi women enjoyed a great deal of personal freedom until the US invasion of Iraq brought that to an end, all thanks to the many people in Israel and their neocon friends in the USA that actively lobbied for the Iraq war.

If women had full rights in Israel, they would be allowed to carry the Torah scrolls, and pray unsegregated from the men, at the Wailing or Western Wall. There have been several incidents in which Jewish women were physically assaulted by the Jewish Taliban for daring to exercise their religious freedom at the Wailing or Western Wall.

People of different sexual orientations

It is very nice for the Washington Times to ignore the many assaults on Israel's GLBT by the religious and their allies in the Knesset. What can one expect from a rightwing newspaper owned by Rev. Moon?

It is no mere coincidence that those that adhere to the "Israel right-or-wrong" cult, loath the UN with the same irrational hatred of those that adhere to the "America right-or-wrong" cult.

Conservatism is the venereal disease of politics!

[SOS]

36. 20 years ago

the extreme right used to call the UN a nest of Soviet spies.
Now the reactionaries, opposed to any international body of law and civility call it an "Islamist mouthpiece."
Perhaps in another 20 years we will have a new enemy and the ideological descendants of Jesse Helms can call it "an outpost of the Asiatic hordes" or whoever else the enemy du jour will be in 2023.

[Lithos]

37. Locking

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FA/NS Moderator
Democratic Underground

[buddhamama]

38. is this your statement,rini

"A group that gives Libya a seat on the Human Rights Commission, Ignored Saddam''s murder of Kurds, says nothing about Saudi school girls allowed to burn to death because they didn't have their veils....in contrast"


i have to ask, what was the U.S.'s involvement/role in Saddam's murderous history,do you know?. And when did the U.S. cut its ties to Saudi Arabia or bring any kind of action against them ever?