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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 10:41 AM
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In praise of the Lebanon war
Granted, only two and a half months have gone by since the end of the second Lebanon war, but we need no further perspective to grasp the full scale of its achievements. Already now, it is clear that it was a successful war - not only one of the most justified of Israel's wars, as was noted when it began, but also one of the most successful, as must be admitted at its conclusion. Only incorrigible defeatists and incurable doomsayers will fail to sing its praises. No wonder, then, that the calls for a state commission of inquiry now sound like the faint echo of a distant howling at the moon. Down with the critics!

Here is the story: The Lebanon war removed the realignment in the West Bank, in the name of which Kadima asked for the public's confidence and received 29 Knesset seats, from the national agenda. Let us be serious people, for a change, and accept the postwar reality with satisfaction: The realignment has been expelled from our lives for all time, just as the Egyptian mother and her little boy were expelled to wander in the desert. Good riddance to that can of worms. It would have created a terrible headache, and the ache might have been stronger than the head.

A smart war does not leave a vacuum. Even as it erases one agenda, it is already filling the empty space and drafting a new agenda that is far more desirable for Israel. Instead of uprooting what has been planted in Judea and Samaria, we are planting the uprooted - people and trees; instead of destroying communities, we are rehabilitating destroyed communities with great momentum; instead of investing in the territories for the sake of evacuation, we are investing in the Galilee for the sake of construction. The Holy One did right by us in granting us this war, which is enabling the government to reorganize its order of priorities. This is not the time for internal disputes; this is the time for unity in the ranks. For if not now, when?

The Lebanon war is granting us the opportunity to reap its profits on other fronts as well - another proven achievement. On our northern border, the Arabs' true intentions, of annihilating us, have again been revealed. Israel, of course, will not be able to agree to the creation of a similar threat in the Gaza Strip. Remember what Hezbollah did to us and do not forget what it is incumbent upon us to do to the Palestinian every day, including holidays. Strike at them and strike at them, for we have become fed up with their being there, and here. The lessons of Lebanon bolster our right and duty to kill Palestinians and not to rest, and it is only a matter of not very much time before we return to the Philadelphi Road, and the road will wag the Strip, which will soon be reoccupied completely. Not only is Ehud Olmert's next realignment a thing of the past; Ariel Sharon's previous realignment will be annulled.

Haaretz
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:23 AM
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1. Hmmm....
This is typical of why I don't support Israel... I've watched them since 1967, felt sorry for them in '72 and have observed since then that they never seem to miss an opportunity to screw up any peace deal.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:52 AM
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2. thank you for feeling "sorry for us"
but we dont need that anymore....2,000 years of it was very enlightening.

the article is right about the realignment/agenda though: its now clear to most israeli's the "intl borders" (1967 borders) dont mean squat to our neighbors..just as they didnt pre 67.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:34 PM
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3. I am reasonably certain the author has his tongue in his cheek.
He is pointing out, in a rather indirect way, that the government's policies are driven by political expediency rather than the best interests of Israel.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 05:25 PM
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6. i've read it before.....
the idea that pre 67 israel was the "good guy" because it was the underdog and under a visible threat of destruction by the larger arab armies. Infact many though israel wouldnt even survive the next war....hence it was "ok" to root for the israelis with their concentration camp survivors and socialistic kibbutzim etc....

winning in 67 changed that perspective.....
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 07:01 PM
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7. I think I understand what you are talking about.
Winning is better than being popular, you might say.
I don't see what it has to do with what the OP is talking about.
Do you think the OP is too cynical about Olmert's motives?
Do you think the 2nd Lebanon War was a "success" in some sense?



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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 07:11 PM
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8. the lebanese war ver II
In the sense that it caused a change in the region....i.e. getting the lebanese army down south, i see it as a success. The IDF doesnt see it that way, since the ground war didnt go very smooth with plenty of mistakes to go around, but they arent the only measure of success.

Sadat was able to make peace with israel because he could claim victory in 73. Anyway the actual effects will be felt in a couple of years, then we will be able to measure it... (67's victory turned out to be long term disaster). Who knows, the Lebanese might take back their country....

Olmert?...i usually ignore him and articles about him, as i've been doing for last 10 years. I think hes a loud mouth, selfish, egotistical politician-he represents the worse of what politicians are to me...his motives cant be anything more then some selfish motivation (granted its not much of an analysis, but i really dont want to throw up all over my keyboard while writing)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 07:29 PM
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 07:35 PM
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10. Thanks for your response.
I don't share your optimism about the effects of the war, but it is true that it will be some time before one can make a clear assessment, and time makes fools of us all. It is probably worth remembering that the outcome could be bad for everybody, it can be lose-lose as well as lose-win and win-win, and it is surprising how often things work out that way.

But I do agree about Olmert, as you know.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:02 PM
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4. I don't know if he means this or is being sarcastic.
Even if he is being sarcastic, then I think the truth on the ground is pretty close to what he writes.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:04 PM
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5. I think he is being sarcastic. nt
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 07:57 PM
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11. Okay, does anyone else see a problem
with this article's call for genocide? Who wrote this? This guy is dangerous.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 08:31 PM
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12. Tens of thousands of homes were destroyed... there is nothing to celebrate
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 08:32 PM by Tom Joad
What Israel did was "monsterous" as stated by an IDF commander.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:23 PM
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13. Olmert defines the war in Lebanon as a “strategic, military and political success”
Hizbullah? ‘Close to surrender’

Olmert defined the war in Lebanon as a “strategic, military and political success” and explained that it brought a renewal of Israel’s deterrent power against Hizbullah. “Unfortunately, before the war, we lacked what we thought we had - deterrence. They were not afraid of starting a fight with us because they thought our reaction would be entirely different. Now if you ask (Hizbullah leader Hassan) Nasrallah if he would want to repeat it, I'm sure his answer would be definitely not.


“I know for sure through different sources that Hezbollah was close to total surrender. Now the presence of the Lebanese army in the entire southern region, together with a robust international force, is very significant. It creates a reality entirely different to anything that existed before July 12.”

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3326834,00.html
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:30 PM
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14. Bush says the Iraq war is helping US security.
I say i can sell you several Bridges, if you just PM me.
(the Golden Gate Bridge is not only lucrative, it is beautiful, you will be proud to call it yours... act now!)
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:34 PM
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15. Down the rabbit hole we go. nt
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:42 PM
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16. Olmert and Bush should enjoy this little party of theirs, pat each other
on the back, then re-bury their heads in the sand and call it a day. Sounds like they will get along great.
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