Study: 57 unarmed Palestinian minors killed by IDF since June

[Scurrilous]

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"A third of unarmed Palestinians killed during IDF operations in the Gaza
Strip since the abduction of Gilad Shalit have been minors, according to a new report prepared by Physicians for Human Rights, to be published Wednesday.

Between June 27 and October 28, 247 Palestinians, including 155 civilians (63 percent) were killed by the IDF. Among the civilians killed, 57 were minors. This figure does not include minors who were armed.

The report also claims that of the 996 Palestinians injured during the past four months, about a third, 337, are children."

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"According to the report, there is also a steep rise in the number of minors involved in the fighting in the territories. In 2005, 45 Palestinian minors were killed in fighting, as compared with the first 10 months of 2006, during which 98 lost their lives - an increase of more than 100 percent.

Among the Palestinian minors killed this year, 65 were under the age of 15. According to the data for 2006, 83 of the minors were killed in the Gaza Strip.Physicians for Human Rights report that in recent months there has been a drastic increase in the number of parents turning to the organization for assistance in dealing with psychological traumas suffered by their children as a result of the fighting."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/785063.html

[number6]

1. no replies , no comments ?

:shrug:

[bemildred]

2. Same old same old, isn't it?

Would a flame war be better?
Keep posting. Stay the course.

[breakaleg]

3. have you noticed the responses I/P related posts get when posted

on the Discussion board?

It seems like there are a few of us over here, talking to ourselves. I love it when a post survives there for longer than a minute just to see all of the outrage there is among DUers for the plight of the Palestinians. Or at least the lack of support for Israel's policies in this conflict. Restores my hope a bit.

[bemildred]

4. Yeah, I know.

Flame wars don't do much though. There are other subjects that get similar treatment, or have in the past. You learn the "red meat" subjects after a while. In some respects, this is a little ghetto down here where the "pro-Israeli" view is not drowned out. In the end, it is not we here who will decide what comes next, so it seems better not to thrash around. I am in favor of fewer dead people, and that means you gotta talk, although I haven't much optimism these days, it's been a long ugly ride the last 6 years or so.

[Phx_Dem]

16. Another way to look at the I/P forum

is that it was created to "encapsulate" the anti-semitic posts so I/P threads are easier to manage.

[bemildred]

17. You can look at it any way you want to.

I/P is not the only subject that has been put in a dungeon. It has appeared to me to be used for subjects that frequently give rise to unproductive flame wars that are of little interest to the general public. That is, subjects that people disagree wildly about and get very emotionally involved in, usually in the sense of getting angry, in discussing.

[PrgressiveJ]

10. Sometimes the threads become pretty revealing there,

When the topic involves The Jewish State.It `outs` a lot of people.

[number6]

5. now if 57 unarmed white Christain Repulicans

were killed, that would be news !!!!

[breakaleg]

6. It always shocks me to read reports of casualties in this fight.

Palestinians are usually listed as little more than a number. As if they don't count somehow.

[number6]

8. when Palestinians die, its relative calm

when Israelis die its an outrage

I don't think the coverage is "Fair and Balanced" TM (don't sue me fox)

when Palestinians die, its also regrettable or collateral damage,

or cause some Hamas guy fired a rocket a block away from where the

Israelis are going to blow some houses up to protect them selves

[msmcghee]

19. That's because the vast majority of reasonable people . .

. . in the world realize that the radical Islamists bring this on themselves in their messianic quest to rid the mideast of Jews.

Self-destruction is never a pleasant activity to observe. Those practicing it usually destroy the lives of many others in the process. Perhaps our main difference is that I don't encouraged it.

[number6]

7. where's our news media ??

"996 Palestinians injured during the past four months"

oh, yea what's Britney Spears doin lately ??

[Name removed]

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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[number6]

11. your kidding right

"Could any of you explain just why this is so important to you that it justifies a thread?"

57 dead people

you don't see whats important Here ??

[msmcghee]

12. No, that's why I asked for an explanation. n/t

[IntiRaymi]

13. Lack of concern for the humanity of others is despicable.

We are all created equal.
How hard is it to figure that out?

[pelsar]

15. interesting comment ...

from someone who backs hizballas and the south african trade unions view that its perfectly alright to target only jewish israelis while they are at home, in the hospital and at schools.....of all ages

seems to me a certain amount of "inhumanity" must be present for such a view.

[IntiRaymi]

20. Is it perfectly alright to target lebanese women and children?

Or how about Palestinian women and children?

[pelsar]

22. if your talking about selective targeting...

unarmed civilians or random targeting as in what hizballas/hamas/islamic jihad/fatah do...the answer is a definitive no.

but you obviously think so

_______
Asked whether COSATU had any condemnation of Hizbullah rocket attacks on northern Israel, Craven said: "I don't think so,...

your respnse when asked if you agree was: yes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x153517

and you call yourself a "humanitarian"?....guess that makes jewish israelis not....

[msmcghee]

18. I thought you put me on ignore. Oh well.

You accuse me of lack of concern for the humanity of others. That's an interesting conclusion you have apparently drawn from my post. I find that interesting - since my position throughout these forums is that people and states should not start wars by attempting to kill those who they disagree with. Even a casual reading of history will show that when such a policy is adhered to - that people generally live longer and happier lives.

Your position has consistently been that the PLO or the Hisb'allah or whoever - are justified in attacking Israel with missiles full of ball-bearings or with suicide bombers - rather than seeking some negotiated settlement of their differences. Then when Israel attempts to stop the missiles or the suicide bombers - you complain that Israelis are apartheid-loving war-mongers.

Then, to top it all off - when someone like me points out the absurdity of such a view - I am accused of having "no concern for the humanity of others".

For months now you have been offered numerous opportunities to explain the reasoning behind your obviously incoherent views - the views that are directly responsible for the many thousands of deaths suffered in this conflict since 1948. But you never take that opportunity to explain. You just go away or change the subject or say you've had enough with me (or pelsar or whoever). And it doesn't even bother you that you can not provide the simplest reasonable explanation for your assertions. I guess you are admitting that if one's hatred is strong enough - then reason is not necessary.

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If you actually read my post I asked the poster to explain why they thought this particular post was important enough to start a thread in I/P - and was not just another attempt to spread the "baaad Jew" meme - which it now appears it was since no-one has provided any other explanation.

You are welcome to help him/her out of his hole if you like.

[oblivious]

14. I think the key word in the title is 'unarmed' is it not?

How could you feel this does not justify a thread!

Enough of your 'Baaaaad Jews meme' accusations. Similar threads are posted in the big forums about the US treatment of Iraqis every day without the posters being accused of racism, bigotry, etc.

[Englander]

21. From UNICEF;

UNICEF: November has had a deadly start for Palestinian children

GENEVA: Nineteen Palestinian children have been killed in the past 10 days, making November already the second deadliest month of the year for young people in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, UNICEF said Friday.

The U.N. Children's Fund said 17 have been killed in Gaza and two in the West Bank so far in November. Only July — when 40 children were killed — was worse, the agency said.

"What children and adolescents have endured the past few days will likely have a long-lasting impact," UNICEF spokesman Michael Bociurkiw said in Geneva. "They have seen family members killed and their communities destroyed. They have been confined to their homes, in many cases without access to food, water or electricity."

>snip

Bociurkiw estimated that more than 300 children have been injured this month by Israeli attacks. For the year, he said 116 Palestinian children have been killed, compared with only 52 last year.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/10/news/UN_GEN_UN_Children_Gaza.php

[Scurrilous]

23. UN: IDF killed 116 children in 2006

UNICEF says 17 children killed in Gaza, and 2 in West Bank so far in November, 40 killed in July

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3326618,00.html

<snip>

"Nineteen Palestinian children have been killed in the past 10 days, making November already the second deadliest month of the year for young people in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, UNICEF said Friday.

The UN children's Fund said 17 have been killed in Gaza and two in the West Bank so far in November. Only July - when 40 children were killed - was worse, the agency said.

"What children and adolescents have endured the past few days will likely have a long-lasting impact," UNICEF spokesman Michael Bociurkiw said in Geneva. "They have seen family members killed and their communities destroyed.

They have been confined to their homes, in many cases without access to food, water or electricity."