Terrorists rejoicing over new Baker report

[everythingsxen]

From the Article:

A high level US commission's recommendations for an eventual withdrawal from Iraq and for dialogue with Iran and Syria proves "Islamic resistance" works and America will ultimately be defeated, according to senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND.

The militants, from the largest Palestinian terror groups in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, welcomed the policies outlined by the Iraq Study Group, which they claim recognizes Islam is the "new giant of the world."

"The report proves that this is the era of Islam and of jihad," said Abu Ayman, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin.

The Islamic Jihad terror group is responsible for every suicide bombing in Israel during the past two years. "(With the Iraq Study Group report), the Americans came to the conclusion that Islam is the new giant of the world and it would be clever to reduce hostilities with this giant. In the Koran the principle of the rotation is clear and according to this principle the end of the Americans and of all non-believers is getting closer," Abu Ayman said.

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[rpannier]

1. Abu Ayman

the Rapture Republican of the Middle East.

[Lucky Luciano]

3. yep....if only the thugs knew that Abu the moron

was exactly their mirror image over there.

[marmar]

2. Sounds like PNAC propaganda to me.

:think:

[jeff30997]

4. Yep.

I thought something similar.

[everythingsxen]

5. Yeah PNAC is clever...

The way they control terrorist leaders and have them say things like this. :eyes:

[marmar]

7. Whatever you say....I have no desire to take part in la guerre des flammes..

:hi:

[everythingsxen]

8. Well then why...

did you say it sounded like PNAC propaganda?

[marmar]

9. The headline "Terrorists rejoicing over new Baker report" doesn't sound like something....

that comes from a fair and balanced reporting source. It sounds like it fell from the lips of Bill O'Reilly or John Ashcroft, quite honestly.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. You are linking to total freeper bullshit.

I'm sure that WorldNutDaily has a direct link to terraist leaders.

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[Warren Stupidity]

10. WorldNutDaily? I declare Shenanigans!

This crap is crap, even for this forum. FREEP BULLSHIT.

"Aaron Klein is Jerusalem Bureau Chief for the news website WorldNetDaily and writes a weekly column for The Jewish Press, the largest weekly Jewish newspaper. He has regular segments and commentary on American radio programs, and has served as a co-host of ABC Radio's national "The John Batchelor Show" (currently on hiatus). He is known for his interviews with Middle Eastern terror leaders.)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Klein

[Scurrilous]

16. More:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily

"In early 2005, WND hired Aaron Klein to run a Jerusalem bureau. Klein's articles have regularly promoted the causes of Israeli settlers in the West Bank and Gaza who oppose Israel's unilateral disengagement plan from those areas. He has frequently written about right-wing Israeli activists tied to the far-right Kach and Kahane Chai movement without disclosing those ties. When Eden Natan-Zada shot and killed four people on a bus in Gaza on August 4, 2005, he was beaten to death afterwards by a crowd that witnessed the shooting. Klein wrote an article for WND claiming that Zada was "murdered" by a "mob of Palestinians." Klein has also written numerous articles critical of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert."

First New Republic, now WorldNetDaily.

Oh my! :thumbsup:

[oberliner]

19. I wouldn't put New Republic in the same category as World Net Daily

New Republic is all over the place politcally.

[everythingsxen]

17. So you call shenanigans...

And link to bio of him that proves what exactly? That he has a very long track record of interviewing terrorists?

[Warren Stupidity]

18. No, that he is a rightwing bullshit artist and that you

should be ashamed for posting this crap as if it were news.

[everythingsxen]

21. Since you are so familiar with his work...

please be so kind as to provide a list of articles he has written that have been proven to be, as you call them, bullshit.

[msmcghee]

23. I think Klein does slant his stories.

I doubt he fabricates quotes though. Check this out.

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2006/wndolmert2.html

I did further research on Abu Ayman and these quotes (in the OP) seem authentic to me.

[bemildred]

12. They are rejoicing about what the report discusses, not about the report. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Aaron Klein is just making shit up.

He is WorldNutDaily and all they do is make shit up. Klien is not in Jerusalem interviewing 'terrorist leaders', he is in Jerusalem making shit up.

That said, of course our real enemies are rejoicing over the COMPLETE FIASCO in Iraq. Why wouldn't they?

[msmcghee]

15. This is getting more interesting.

Turns out Klein is definitely not a RW Israeli supporter. He has gotten and is known for his interviews with known terrorists.

From the Wiki article:

* Before the 2006 U.S. midterm elections, Klein conducted a series of interviews with senior Middle East terrorist leaders who urged Americans to vote for Democrats <6>. Jihad Jaara told Klein a Democrat win would ensure victory for worldwide jihad, explaining the Democrats policy of withdrawal from Iraq would "enhance the resistance." Klein also read to the terror leaders statements from prominent Democrats such as House minority leader Nancy Pelosi claiming a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there. All terror leaders interviewed rejected the claim. Islamic Jihad leader Muhammad Saadi said an American withdrawal would "prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works." Jaara declared a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq would "mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America)."

Also from Wiki:

Klein routinely conducts interviews with Middle East leaders and newsmakers, who have included: the late PLO Leader Yasser Arafat; Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak; Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu; Hamas chief Mahmoud al-Zahar; Albanian Prime Minister Fatos Nano; former Lebanese Prime Minister Michel Aoun; Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt; imprisoned spy Jonathan Pollard; leaders of the Taliban; Palestinian negotiation minister Saeb Erekat; former Israeli foreign minister Shlomo Ben-Ami; Al-Muhajiroun leader Omar Bakri Muhammad; Army of Islam leader Abu Muhammad; West Bank Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades leader Ala Senakreh and rocket chief Abu Oudai; Popular Resistance Committees leader Abu Abir; and 2002 Siege of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem leader Jihad Jaara.

None of the stuff in Wiki said anything about him being biased in his journalism. I can't imagine all those personages with much to lose from biased reporting would have granted those exclusive interviews to someone without a pretty solid reputation. I would say the burden of proof is on those who claim that Klein is "making shit up".

[oberliner]

20. But I think you'd agree

WorldNetDaily is a right-wing site and thus, not a good source to use.

[msmcghee]

22. Well, I'd say that a right wing or left wing site . .

. . is a site not to be trusted. But, both RW and LW sites often get scoops on news items before anyone else because leakers like to pick the place where news is first released if they can - good news or bad news - so they can try to frame it. People just need to engage their bullshit filters when reading those sites.

I just came across some more info on Klein that makes me now trust him less. I think he does slant stories for the publication who is paying his bills and seems to have some RW ideological allegiances - and right now that's WND. So yeah, this story could be bogus.

But then, look at this from Wiki.

Before the 2006 U.S. midterm elections, Klein conducted a series of interviews with senior Middle East terrorist leaders who urged Americans to vote for Democrats <6>. Jihad Jaara told Klein a Democrat win would ensure victory for worldwide jihad, explaining the Democrats policy of withdrawal from Iraq would "enhance the resistance." Klein also read to the terror leaders statements from prominent Democrats such as House minority leader Nancy Pelosi claiming a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there. All terror leaders interviewed rejected the claim. Islamic Jihad leader Muhammad Saadi said an American withdrawal would "prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works." Jaara declared a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq would "mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America)."

That makes the story today ring somewhat true.

Check out this story: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52747

I'm just saying this is all kind of interesting. I think it's more than "freeper bullshit". What's your opinion?

[msmcghee]

24. More on LW and RW sites . .

I think there's a difference between news outlets like WND who have hired staff who write articles and who interview newsworthy people - and book writers like David Brock (used to be) who basically make shit up.

Books can be crafted to hide the trail of statements or even to allow false evidence to be created - so they can't be later refuted. Brock's lies about Anita Hill for example, were never proven until he admitted them after he realized what a shitty person he had become.

If a journalist writes up a series of interviews and becomes known for them - that is money in his pocket for the rest of his career. All it takes is for one interviewee to say that he made it all up - and his career suddenly takes a big hit. He'll never get hired by any reputable organization.

Even WorldNutDaily has to operate within some boundaries. They have a freeper audience I guess - so they slant their stories in that direction. Their readers are paying to get their memes massaged - just the way the left wing anti-Israel sites that do that are endlessly quoted in posts in this forum.

But, there's a difference between slant - and outright lies. I'd put WND in the slant catagery. For example, here's a blog that I read every day. The blogger (Ed Brayton) is a libertarian who's big on separation of church and state and is very much anti-ID (though he's not anti-free speech for Jesus freaks).

I generally agree with him though I've also had some raging arguments. But today he wrote this, which I agree with, and which kind of ties in with this I/P thread in a roundabout way as Klein has been on the Keith Ellison story like flies on shit. The article is titled:

In Which I Agree With the Worldnutdaily

Category: Theocracy

It doesn't happen often, but this article appears to be on the money. I couldn't care less whether the first Muslim Congressman, Keith Ellison, swears in on the Bible, the Quran, or on a copy of Penthouse Forum for that matter. But I do care about theocracy, whether in Christian form or Muslim form, and it appears that Ellison has close ties to an openly theocratic Muslim group. Less than 2 weeks after being elected, Ellison spoke at a conference of the North American Imams Federation (NAIF).

The conference was sponsored by American Open University, a Muslim distance learning college that apparently is responsible for training most of the NAIF members. AOU was founded by Jaafar Sheikh Idris, who preaches a very theocratic version of Islam. Most disturbingly, he explicitly advocates theocracy for the United States, arguing that no Muslim could possibly support a secular society that separates church from state. Many of the lecturers at AOP are members of the NAIF.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/12/in_which_i_agree_with_the_worl.php#more

PS - Read the comments. One reason I like the blog is that the comments are pretty well reasoned and free of insults - even when I disagree.

[UndertheOcean]

28. Didn't WND carry a story awhile ago about nuking mecca ?

n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

25. so following the logic of this article -- peace in the Middle East would

have the terrorist in absolute rapture. Thus there is no choice except to reject dialog and diplomacy and pursue never ending war.

"Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia." --- George Orwell

[newyorican]

26. ...and I catch shit about sources?!?

*boggles*

[Douglas Carpenter]

27. yah, you can't make shit like this up....

:crazy:

[cali]

29. I don't know what to say

World Nut Daily is completely unreliable, hysterical and down right disgusting. It's a rag of the worst order. I don't believe a word Klein says. He's the right wing counterpart of Joshua Frank. This is embarassing.

[Englander]

30. *Ahem*

'Palestinians torch Qalqilya YMCA'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=148740

[cali]

32. Yikes.

You're right. Mea culpa. In my defense, that was from Ynet, which I always considered a fairly respectable source, and before I knew who Aaron Klein was. It certainly had none of the incendiary elements of this article, but it's a good cautionary note regarding taking care not to use certain sources. Now if only both the hardliners in this forum on both sides would also take that to heart.

[Englander]

33. Yeah, I wish Ynet would stop using sources like WND.

It's not even 'WND says such-&-such', they just reprint the entire WND article, exactly as it
appears at WND.

[Englander]

31. WND = xtian fundamendalists.

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They're fans of ET, as well.

?click

[Lithos]

34. Gonna Lock this

This is an opinion piece where Aaron Klein seems to be creating and shaping news rather than reporting it.

One other example where he created news was his work promoting the works of Mishalot Yisrael, who he tried to paint as indicative of Israel in general. Mishalot Yisrael is a fringe group whose strong association with the Temple Movement was deliberately left out of an article he wrote.

Please use his works, and anything by WND, very carefully, if at all. They are extremely famous for reporting slanted and filtered "news" designed to promote an agenda, usually RW and usually extremist.

Lithos
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