Witnesses: IDF troops shoot and wound two Palestinians in Gaza

[Scurrilous]

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"Israel Defense Forces troops shot and wounded two Palestinians in the Gaza Strip on Friday, Palestinian sources said, a day after Israel's prime minister said he could order renewed assaults if needed to prevent militant factions posing a threat to a shaky truce.

Palestinian rescue workers and residents said the two men were unarmed. They were shot in separate incidents in northern Gaza, not far from border areas with Israel, they said.

An Israel Defense Forces spokeswoman said she was not aware of any shootings, adding the army was checking the reports."

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"IDF troops have shot and wounded several Palestinians this week in Gaza. The army said the men were acting suspiciously along the Israeli-built border fence."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/798691.html

[papau]

1. if there's a final peace there'll still be a wall - and border shootings

Just as our border is challenged, some PA - with some western individuals help and encouragement no doubt - will urge attacks on the wall.

Indeed I expect the same if we do build a fence on the southern border of the US.

I also expect those shot in either location to say they were just looking at the wall/fence.

[azurnoir]

2. Does the wall we're building

encroach on what is now Mexico's land by in some area's, think farms ect. 13 miles, if so then Mexico has a legit complaint as do the Palestinians.

[pelsar]

3. the gaza fence...

is inside israel....

[azurnoir]

4. It's inside Israel now n/t

[Lurking Dem]

5. ????????????????????

[newyorican]

6. Has the Philadelphia wall been dismantled?

That is the wall erected between Gaza and Egypt for those that don't know. It's location makes it somewhat impossible to be "inside Israel".

[pelsar]

7. Maps....they're important to read and understand

the wall on the philedelphia route is on the Egyptian/Palestenian gaza border....no israeli is on that border. (do i really have to link to a map??????)

try again.....

(the Egyptians like it, and have no intention of destroying it, though the palestenains have punched some holes and killed 2 Egyptian border guards)

[newyorican]

8. I dislike the word "liar"..

perhaps there is another, more fitting description in line with the rules of this forum.

Israel's Security Minister Dichter: Egypt Allowing Massive Weapons Smuggling Into Gaza

October 23, 2006
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Morton A. Klein, 212-481-1500

“Therefore, it is not surprising that this week, a year after unilaterally retreating from Gaza and the Egyptian border area and uprooting 9,000 Jews from their homes, schools, synagogues, farms and businesses, Israeli forces returned to take over control of the border area and started destroying smuggling tunnels that had been previously detected by Israeli forces but rebuilt as soon as Israel left last year.

Source

[pelsar]

9. Dec 8.....2006

israel has withdrawn from gaza (again)......(a week ago)

so what am i being accused of? (by the way you could find news from 2005 showing israeli forces on the border area as well)....using outdated news doesnt do much to prove a point.

The border remains an Egyptian/Palestenian border no matter if israel comes and goes....it doesnt change that fact.

[newyorican]

10. So...

from Oct. to Dec. they were on the border, that is at odds with many of your dubious statements. Are they there today? Guess we will find out in the news tomorrow...spare me.

[pelsar]

11. perhaps a recap of the relevant posts?

i suggest you let this die...it doesnt look good for you:

post "IDF troops have shot and wounded several Palestinians this week in Gaza. The army said the men were acting suspiciously along the Israeli-built border fence.

post Does the wall we're building encroach on what is now Mexico's land by in some area's, think farms etc. 13 miles, if so then Mexico has a legit complaint as do the Palestinians.


post me -explaining the geography the gaza fence...is inside israel

post you -making a comment on the Egyptian/Gaza border-not really relevant Has the Philadelphia wall been dismantled? That is the wall erected between Gaza and Egypt for those that don't know. It's location makes it somewhat impossible to be "inside Israel"


post me -explaining the geography the wall on the Philadelphia route is on the Egyptian/Palestinian gaza border, (attempting to explain that its not really relevant to the initial question)

post you -it appears confusing geography and map reading with placement of invading armies I dislike the word "liar".

____________

to explain a point: whether or not an army invades an area, does not change the intl borders, thats a political decision...but that should be obvious. The initial question concerned the israeli/gaza border not the egyptian/gaza border.

[newyorican]

12. I suggest you let it die...

...as your continuous, predictable, disassembling has grown, predictably, tiring (perhaps that is the point).

Rather than go round the mulberry bush with you on your convoluted and questionable thought processes, I'll will let people read the actual posts, not your twisted interpretation of those posts. Unlike you, I believe the actual words we have written are sufficient explanation of our points, though it appears we are talking past one another to some extent.

I will bring some attention to a problematic position of yours though (once again using nothing but your words):


1. Pelsar: the wall on the Philadelphia route is on the Egyptian/Palestenian gaza border....no israeli is on that border. (do i really have to link to a map??????)

2. Pelsar: now the palestenias are back to were they were a year ago, no IDF in gaza, the question now is, will they or wont they shoot kassams?Link

3. Pelsar: fact is this attempt at a cease fire only shows how true it is: the Palestinians say they will stop shooting and israel is already out of gaza.
all they have to do is not attack, not be the aggressor and no more shooting.Link


At the time of your posts 2 & 3 as listed above, the IDF had re-occupied the Philadelphia corridor, making your statements factually incorrect. At the time of your post 1, the IDF had reportedly left the Philadelphia corridor. You will notice, I did not characterize or interpret your words, they are yours and yours alone.

I am done with this, the horse is but a stain on the floor.

[pelsar]

13. the subject which you changed in the middle...

has to to do with BORDERS

Egypt and gaza share the "Philadelphia Corridor/wall" which is on a BORDER....israel does not.