Bereaved father: Now we can sue IDF murderers

[Scurrilous]

Palestinian human rights groups estimate that following High Court’s decision hundreds of family members of Palestinians who were injured or killed during IDF activity in the West Bank and Gaza will file compensation claims in Israel

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3339121,00.html

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"Beit Hanoun resident Salman Salman, whose nine-year-old son was recently killed by IDF fire in the north Gaza town, said on Tuesday that "The Israeli High Court ruling brings renewed hope that we will be able to sue the murderers."

Palestinian human rights organizations estimate that following the court’s decision hundreds of family members of Palestinians who were injured or killed during IDF activity in the West Bank and Gaza will file compensation claims in Israel.

Some 550 damage claims filed by Palestinians are already pending in Israeli courts.

Salman said that on November 24 his son Abed el-Aziz and his friends went to buy candy at a neighborhood grocery store near their Beit Hanoun home "when an Israeli sniper shot them. Salman was struck in the heart, face and legs and died instantly."

Salman said that in the days following his son’s death he collected documentation, including medical reports and testimonies on order to sue the IDF. He said that a Palestinian human rights group he turned to for assistance said it is awaiting the High Court ruling regarding the Palestinian compensations."

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. That means the US will be doling out more cash to Israel.

Gotta pay those claims, and there certainly will be many of them.

[breakaleg]

2. I'd like to know how a sniper can kill a child with such great precision and yet

(I assume) be an accident.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. The same way they "accidentally" bombed UN outposts.

Or how they "accidentally" sank the U.S.S. Liberty.

[frylock]

4. shit happens..

over and over and over and...

[everythingsxen]

5. If you are referring to the UN Outpost during the recent

war of defense against Hezbollah, yes it was an accident that Israel hit the outpost, but it was outright treachery on the part of Hezbollah to have been using it as a fire base.

As an aside, since you brought up the Liberty, I did a lot of research on the Liberty and I find it so astonishing how many neo-Nazi groups fund websites about the Liberty. Remember the Liberty seems to be a rallying call for neo-nazis, white supremacists and other 'Grade A' psychopaths. I wonder why so many deranged lunatics all clasp onto the tragic accident that was the sinking of the U.S.S. Liberty?

[Scurrilous]

6. Speaking of derangement and lunacy...

...the Liberty never sank.

Shot to hell, yes.

Sank, no.


As for the Israeli shelling of the UN outpost, the IDF claimed it was an accident caused by outdated targeting maps. Nothing about treachery or Hezbollah fire bases. Just bad maps.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

8. Uhm, didn't the repeated phone calls from the outpost mean anything?

Bad maps or no, when someone calls you and says "Don't bomb us - we're the UN," you usually listen. How is that a mistake?

[everythingsxen]

9. Oh yes, I forgot..

every UN phone comes equipped with an automatic "Call the people shooting at us button".

You may or may not be aware of this, but there is weird and crazy thing that militaries around the world, pretty much since armies were invented, use: it's called a chain of command(CoC). Contacting an officer in the IDF and saying "Hey don't shoot us; we're the UN" doesn't actually accomplish much. That has to go up the CoC, then back down the CoC to the actual units on the ground. Now you may not be aware of this, but things can get a little confusing in the middle of a war-zone. So one unit that was supposed to be shooting at one area, but was firing at another was ordered to not shoot at the UN Outpost and another unit may have readjusted their counter-battery fire against a Hezbollah firing position that was, unfortunately, right on top of the UN post.

So you are right, it is not a mistake. Hezbollah intentionally violated international law and used the UN outpost as a fire-base. Just like they used schools and hospitals and any other civilian areas they could get into so they could turn innocent civilians into martyrs for their holy war of extermination against the Jewish people.

[breakaleg]

10. except the very same staff at that outpost also called in to other UN offices

and those offices also contacted the IDF to let them know their staff was there. So, the IDF was contacted by the victims themselves as well as other UN staff.

[everythingsxen]

12. And that somehow translates into..

getting the right message to the right people on the ground, under the fog of war, trying to shoot back at the enemy shooting them how exactly? (I know that was a run on sentance, the point remains valid however)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. Are you calling the survivors of the Liberty neo-nazis?

Just because a group of idiots latches on to something doesn't make it untrue. Even a blind pig finds a truffle occassionally. But, I find it interesting that for all the "research" you did on the issue that you come up with not a single fact for rebuttal. Call it convenient.

As far as the "accident", not only did the UN outpost place repeated calls to the Israelis FOUR HOURS before the bombing took place, these outposts are so well marked that it is entirely impossible for any such mistake to occur. You can deflect the criticism by using terrorists all you want, but it was unconscionable for them to do so. And the reason they did it was the EXACT same reason they bombed the Liberty - they didn't want outsiders getting to close to their dirty operations. It's a pattern the Israelis have repeated time and time again. I'd love to see you defend that.

[everythingsxen]

11. That is so fascinating, my good chum

Just because a group of idiots latches on to something doesn't make it untrue. Even a blind pig finds a truffle occasionally. But, I find it interesting that for all the "research" you did on the issue that you come up with not a single fact for rebuttal. Call it convenient.

What would you like me to rebut? That Israel shot the Liberty? That is a pretty well known fact. Do you want me to rebut the motivations you are ascribing to them? Only you can do that. You have decided that Israel is guilty, despite lacking any evidence whatsoever. Why should I have to rebut information that is obtained from racist websites?

As far as the "accident", not only did the UN outpost place repeated calls to the Israelis FOUR HOURS before the bombing took place, these outposts are so well marked that it is entirely impossible for any such mistake to occur. You can deflect the criticism by using terrorists all you want, but it was unconscionable for them to do so. And the reason they did it was the EXACT same reason they bombed the Liberty - they didn't want outsiders getting to close to their dirty operations. It's a pattern the Israelis have repeated time and time again. I'd love to see you defend that.

As I have addressed above in response to your other post, it was an accident. That is what Israel says. They *could* be lying. However you have already decided that you know more about the situation on the ground there than the commanders in the field. In your vision of what the situation was like, the UN base was glowing blue with a 10,000 meter high glowing UN symbol floating above it. Yet Israel attacked anyway! *dramatic music* Reality however differs; in the real world the battlefield is smoky, hazy and confusing. In most cases Artillery units are firing many, many, *many* miles away. They are relying on spotter units who can and do make mistakes. It's not 'deflecting criticism' to say there were Hezbollah troops hanging out nearby.

As far as the Liberty goes, it is a very muddled history as to what exactly happened.

Moving on to the second part of your argument, chiefly that this along side the Liberty "proves" a "pattern" that Israel has "repeated time and time again". You then say you would love for me to defend that. Defend what precisely? That you are creating pattern and a long history out of two items? Ok, well that could be considered bad pattern matching which could indicate schizophrenia or any of several other disorders. You are also inventing movtives for Israel and seem to imply that Israel murders people at will.