Former Pres Jimmy Carter now is an "Anti-Semite." Here's the article...

[KoKo]

You have to "hit the link and scroll down to find out why he's not...but then ...who cares to read these days. Carter the ANTI-SEMITE OF THE WORLD!

It's kind of laughable since so many Jews think he's a really GOOD GUY!

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Jimmy Carter's Mideast book polarizes opinion

By Matthew Bigg Sun Dec 17, 12:45 AM ET

ATLANTA (Reuters) - A new book by Jimmy Carter in which he compares
Israel's treatment of Palestinians to South Africa's Apartheid system has sparked a bitter debate over the former U.S. president's reputation as a peacemaker.
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Jewish groups have expressed outrage at the book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," arguing its comparison of Israel to the racist South African regime could undermine the perception of Israel's legitimacy.

Carter, 82, has been dogged by protests during a promotional tour and Ken Stein, a long-time advisor on Middle East issues who was also the first executive director at the Carter Center in Atlanta, resigned over the book's content.

In an interview with Reuters, Stein cited a passage from the book that said it was imperative for Arabs and Palestinians to "make it clear that they will end the suicide bombings and other acts of terrorism when international laws and the ultimate goals of the Roadmap for peace are accepted by Israel."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061217/ts_nm/carter_mideast_book_dc

[mike_c]

1. to some folks, anyone who questions Israeli oppression of Palestinians...

...must be "antisemetic."

[me b zola]

11. From Carter's television interviews regarding this book...

...Carter said that those who question Israeli policy or government are demonized. Boy, were some folks quick to oblige him.

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[Hippo_Tron]

42. I brought Jimmy Carter up in a class discussion last week

And some RWer proceeded to bash him as soon as I was done speaking. I had to contain myself from saying "Okay, so where's your Nobel Peace Prize?"

[killbotfactory]

44. looks like Carter might have hit the nail a little to close to the head

that's fucking ridiculous.

[Sherman A1]

13. Agreed and Well Said.

Of course this thread may light on fire very shortly.... so I wanted to get my comment in early, before the flames, the deleted posts, the locking, etc....... It seems that if you even Question Israel, some folks take considerable exception and then thinkg get REAL interesting.

[cali]

14. and some folks throw

out that the charge of anti-semitism is being made when its not. Or pre-emptively predict that they will be unjustly called an anti-semite. In I/P debates, both are misused at times, and both are done to strangle debate or delegitimize an opposing point of view. It's a two way street.

[cool user name]

20. Yes, but the lead article does call Carter an anti-semite.

That's a serious charge and in Carter's case, totally unwarranted.

Do you agree that he is?

[cali]

23. What lead aritcle

calls Carter an anti-semite? And I suggest you read my post #10 in this thread.

[cool user name]

27. I did. My apologies for the mistake. n/t

[yankhadenuf]

52. Palestinians are Semites too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic

[yankhadenuf]

54. In truth , Israel is anti-Semetic towards Palestinians

because Palestinians are Semites.

[The Magistrate]

55. This Is A Very Tiresome Wheeze, Sir

The term was coined to indicate hatred for Jews, at a time when "semite" was used as a euphemism for Jew, in the same manner as Ethiope or sons of Ham were employed for Negro, since some vulgarity was associated with direct naming of an acknowledged inferior in respectable circles.

The technical meaning of language groups you seek to employ here has nothing whatever to do with the term.

[yankhadenuf]

56. The tiresome wheeze is the term "anti-Semitic"

It is tiresome and old and a fallacy and a lie. People who are critical of Israel policy are not anymore anti-Semite than people who are critical of US policy are anti-American. It is just a obvious method to censor critics.


"Sir" was coined for men, so please don't call me that.

[Behind the Aegis]

58. That is not what YOU were talking about.

You were trying to make anti-Semitism apply to something it does not. So, indeed, as The Magistrate points out, your trying to re-define anti-Semitism is the tiresome wheeze.

[yankhadenuf]

61. The term Semite applies to Palestinians, does it not?

Breathe some fresh air into the discussion then...So what do you call people who oppress Palestinians?

[Behind the Aegis]

63. No matter the ethnicity of the Palestinians...

...it doesn't change the meaning of the word "anti-Semitism."

"So what do you call people who oppress Palestinians?"

Oppressors.

[yankhadenuf]

66. But what if history changes?

The oppressed are now the Palestinians... they are so oppressed they are not even allowed to call their oppressors "anti-Semetics", even though they are Semites!

So Palestinians are not ALLOWED to call their oppressors "Anti-Semetic"? Why? Who says so?

[The Magistrate]

68. Because Words Have Meanings, Ma'am

The term "Anti-Semite" emerged from late-nineteenth century European political life, where hatred of Jews as a "foreign element" was a live political issue in a number of lands. Accordingly, it means "hated of Jews", and not hatred of anyone but Jews.

[yankhadenuf]

70. So why is term used now for people who are critical of Israel's policies

Then everyone who uses the term now is wrong.

[The Magistrate]

74. Because, Ma'am, Some Of That Criticism Is In Fact Rooted In Hatred Of Jews

Thus there are a number of instances in which its application is quite correct in that regard.

[yankhadenuf]

79. So it is an instant censoring device

Say this, you are not anti-Semetic, say that, you are.

Anti-Semetism was about who one OPPRESSES, not what one SAYS.

[Behind the Aegis]

81. you are continuing to attempt to redefine 'anti-Semitism.'

"Anti-Semitism was about who one OPPRESSES, not what one SAYS."

Re-read the definitions I provided for you. You will not find "oppress" in any of the definitions.

[The Magistrate]

83. Nonesense, Ma'am: 'Anti-Semitism' Is About People Who Hate Jews

And are motivated in their action and expression by this form of bigotry. Whether they have ever had the ability to actually oppress a Jew or Jews themselves is quite beside the point.

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[The Magistrate]

89. The Nonesense, Ma'am, Is the Definition You Seek To Employ

"Oppression of Jews" is not part of the definition of the term, which relates only to hate and bigotry being a person's motivation in action and speech.

[yankhadenuf]

98. The Nonsense is that Palestinians cannot call their Oppressors "anti-Semetic"

but someone who writes a book about Palestine as Apartheid is called "Anti-Semetic" , even though the title is about oppression of Palestinians.

[The Magistrate]

102. People Can Do Any Damn-Fool Thing They Please, Ma'am

They just cannot expect to be taken seriously at it if what they do is nonesense on the order of using the words "children's blocks' as if they signified "kitchen stove".

Calling President Carter an Anti-Semite, a bigoted hater of Jews, does strike me as nonesense, but the grouhnds you suggest for opposing the usage is meaningless.

[yankhadenuf]

107. Then we agree, calling Jimmy Carter an "anti-Semite" for writing his book

is nonsense

[The Magistrate]

109. No, Ma'am, We Do Not

Calling President Carter an Anti-Semite for writing this book, which is not an expression of hatred for and bogotry against Jews on that gentleman's part, is false, and so nonesensical.

Calling, say, David Duke an Anti-Semite when he criticizes Israel from his deep-seated hatred of and bigotry towards Jews is quite accurate.

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[The Magistrate]

118. It Depends Most, Ma'am, On What Is Said

At least for people concerned to speak accurately and deal fairly.

The remainder of this does not concern me: people who engage on contentious and bitter subjects must take their chances, and have thick skins.

[msmcghee]

87. All the definitions offered by BtA . .

. . referred to hatred and prejudice. Those are not acts or speech. They are a state of mind.

People say many things and often attempt to hide their true state of mind. They might say that the term anti-semitism should rightfully be used to mean something other than the commonly understood meaning it has historically held.

They might say that their only interest is in semantic fairness, in not unnecessarily restricting the use of the word for some reason.

They might express surprise that anyone would think that they actually wanted to trivialize the motivation for the oppression of the people (Jews) that the term has been historically used to describe.

Would those people be wrong?

[Phx_Dem]

95. One can be bigoted or racist

with words or deeds.

Since your new around here, welcome to the DU I/P forum.

[yankhadenuf]

100. Thanks for the welcome

But to call Jimmy Carter anti-Semitic is a lie and a form of censorship

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[Behind the Aegis]

71. The only history that must change...

...to meet your absurd argument is the history of the word "anti-Semitic." You are conflating prejudice and oppression. They are not always one in and the same, nor are the dependant on one another.

[yankhadenuf]

82. Huh?

If the Oppressed are NOW Semetic, they cannot use the term "anti-Semetic" of their current oppressors?
ok, we'll do it your way, how do we stop the Oppressors of the Palestinians?

[The Magistrate]

86. This Sounds Like You Mean To Branch Out, Ma'am

Is your next step to suggest that because Arabs are Semites, they cannot be accused of Anti-Semitism when they display hatred of and bigotry towards Jews?

"Enquiring minds want to know."

[yankhadenuf]

90. No, I would not censor the oppressed

Would you?

[The Magistrate]

93. A Meaningless Question, Ma'am

To be oppressed is not to have entered a state of grace in which one can do no wrong....

[yankhadenuf]

104. Ahh ...

end of discussion then.

[The Magistrate]

105. That Would Certainly Be My Hope, Ma'am....

"I try to get out, but they keep dragging me back in...."

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[Behind the Aegis]

112. It is never wrong to call an anti-Semite an anti-Semite....

...except here....then we just have to alert.

[yankhadenuf]

117. And when do we alert?

When is someone an anti-Semite or simply critical of Israel's policies?

[Behind the Aegis]

120. One uses alert when bigotry rears its ugly head.

If someone makes an anti-Semitic comment, that is alertable. To pretend that alert is used when someone is "...simply critical of Israel's policies" is laughable! If that were the case, this forum wouldn't even exist!

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[Behind the Aegis]

128. I don't know what you are talking about.

It was, though, more than likely deleted because it was in violation of the rules of this forum, not because it was a critique of Israeli policy.

[The Magistrate]

113. And You Said No. 104 Was The End Of Our Conversation, Ma'am....

Calling everyone who criticizes Israel Anti-Semitic, without regard for whether the criticism is in fact an expression of Anti-Semitism is a pretty poor debating technique, that identifies people who employ it as more interested in heat than light where this subject is concerned.

Pointing out criticism of Israel that does contain Anti-Semitic themes, and criticism of Israel that can be reasonably seen as proceeding from Anti-Semitic views, is a legitimate usage in debate on the subject.

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[The Magistrate]

124. The O.P., Ma'am, Meant A Defense Of President Carter, Employing Sarcasm

For the rest, it is pretty hard to take seriously a claim that this discussion has displayed much in the way of censorship. It has displayed some disagreement with your views, but that is hardly the same thing, you would doubtless agree....

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[Behind the Aegis]

129. What are you going on about?

If a thread was deleted it was because of a violation of the forum policies and not some conspiracy to silence critics of Israel. If it were, then they'd be doing a horrible job considering the number of threads in this very forum that are critical of Israel. Technically, this thread should have been locked because it doesn't conform to the standards of the I/P posting rules, but an exception was made. This hardly sounds like a conspiracy of silence.

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[Behind the Aegis]

88. Let me simplify this for you.

The word 'anti-Semitism' refers to discrimination, hatred, and/or bigotry against Jews. The word was created with the intention of describing animosity toward Jews. While the word uses the term "Semite" in it, it has never been used to describe hate against any group of "Semites" other than Jews. You will also notice that the word "oppress" is not part of the definition of that word.

How do we stop the oppressors? The first step is to understand the complexity of the situation and have the realization that to end the oppression, more than one side will have to negotiate.

[yankhadenuf]

96. When will the negotiating stop the Oppression?

When? Calling critics of Israel policy "anti-Semetic" censors all the negotiations abruptly.

[Behind the Aegis]

97. Well...

"When will the negotiating stop the Oppression?"

When the negotiations are completed.

"When?"

I haven't the slightest clue, but I suspect...when the negotiations are completed.

"Calling critics of Israel policy "anti-Semitic" censors all the negotiations abruptly."

That only happens if the charge is false. There have been anti-Semitic attacks against Israel as a nation.

[yankhadenuf]

106. That's what the Bushies do to Americans!

If Americans are critical of USA policy, then we are anti-American. That is a form of censorship, no matter who does it. It's a way of shutting-up all criticism, it has nothing to do with anti-Semetics .

[Behind the Aegis]

111. And as I said:

There have been "criticisms" of Israel that are anti-Semitic. It does not mean that all criticism is anti-Semitic, or even based in anti-Semitism, but it does occur and it is not censorship to point out that bigotry.

[yankhadenuf]

116. Which ones ARE anti-Semetic?

What can a person say, and what cannot a person say?

[Behind the Aegis]

122. The ones that are anti-Semitic are the ones based in bigotry against Jews.

Then there are those that are anti-Semitic and use the cover of simply being "anti-Israeli" policy. Those people, though, are usually more difficult to ferret out.

[yankhadenuf]

130. Are the folks who run around calling everyone "anti-Semetic"

ferreted out?

[Behind the Aegis]

132. When it happens, yes.

It is rare that you will see someone call a poster an anti-Semite, unless the person knows that the poster is going to bite it anyway and the poster doesn't mind having his/her post deleted. For some though, the very fact that a pro-Israeli will question them or challenge them is enough to have the pro-Israeli poster smeared with the false charge of calling someone an anti-Semite, when in fact, it hasn't happened.

[The Magistrate]

62. The Actual State Of Play, Ma'am

Is that some criticism of Israel and the actions of its government is indeed rooted in hatred for Jews, and that some opponents of Israel do make use of traditional Anti-Semitic themes in their propagandas.

It is also true that some defenders of Israel employ charges of Anti-Semitism where they are not justified, and do so in an effort to shut down criticism of Israel.

As is so often the case in this conflict, both sides have some legitimate ground to stand on, and some individuals seem to have trouble confining themselves to that, but venture off onto bogs and quicksands they would be well advised to avoid.

The attempt to treat the term "Anti-Semitism" as meaning something other than hate for Jews is one example of such departures from solid ground.

[yankhadenuf]

85. Calling someone "Anti-Semetic" who does not oppress Jews

is simply a form of censorship.

[Behind the Aegis]

91. No it is not.

Again, anti-Semitism does not have anything to do with oppressing the Jews! It is used to oppress the Jews, but it is not defined as oppression of Jews. There is a difference!

[The Magistrate]

92. Again, Ma'am, Nonesense: Oppression Has Nothing To Do With It

The operative element is hate and bigotry as a motive behind action and speech. David Irving is an Anti-Semite: he has never succeeded in personally oppressing a Jew in his whole life.

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57. Not possible.

Being 'anti-Semitic' has nothing to do with being a 'Semite.' A little help for you...

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
an·ti-Sem·i·tism /ˌæntiˈsɛmɪˌtɪzəm, ˌæntaɪ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation (an-tee-sem-i-tiz-uhm, an-tahy- ) Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews.


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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source an·ti-Sem·i·tism (ān'tē-sěm'ĭ-tĭz'əm, ān'tī- )
n.
Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
Discrimination against Jews.


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WordNet - Cite This Source anti-semitism

noun
the intense dislike for and prejudice against Jewish people

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American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition - Cite This Source
anti-Semitism (an-tee-sem-uh-tiz-uhm, an-teye-sem-uh-tiz-uhm)


Prejudice or hatred against Jews, a Semitic race. (See Arab-Israeli conflict and Nazis.)


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The word has never been used to describe hate against anyone other than Jews. Generally, the only ones who use it to describe it as hate against Semtitic people are revisionists, minimalists, and/or those unaware of the actual meaning of the word.

[yankhadenuf]

59. People who are revisionists deny that Palestinians ARE Semites

So what are people who oppress the Palestinians called in your dictionary?

[Behind the Aegis]

60. What nonsense.

I have yet to see anyone claim that Palestinians are not Semites. As a matter of fact, I don't know that I have ever seen it come up until now. No, the only revisionism going on is trying to redefine the word anti-Semitism.

"So what are people who oppress the Palestinians called in your dictionary?"

Oppressors.

[yankhadenuf]

64. Oppressors of WHOM?

That is a very general term ... aren't Palestinians allowed a more specific , descriptive term describing their oppressors?

[The Magistrate]

65. Coin One For Yourself, Ma'am, If You Feel The Mother Tongue Requires It

Use it at every opportunity, and see if it sticks.

A great many peoples have been oppressed without a specific term for oppression of them entering the language....

[yankhadenuf]

67. Ok, I re-coin the word "anti-Semetic"

to apply to oppressed Palestinians by Israel .

[The Magistrate]

72. Not Successfully, Ma'am, You Will Not

Because it is a term already in existence, with a generally accepted meaning that will be taken by most encountering the usage to be the intent of the user. Thus, most people will understand you to mean hate for Jews, and to alter this, you will have to launch into a lengthy explaination of your real intent. That is a very innefficient way to communicate meaning, quite unsuitable for political agitation, which requires quick and ready understanding of the slogans and terms employed.

[Behind the Aegis]

73. And it is absurd, counterproductive, and revisionist.

Why not, as the Magistrate suggested, create your own word, if it is so important? Why do you feel the need to co-op a word that has had one meaning since its inception and has yet to mean anything else?

[yankhadenuf]

76. Why not?

Got you talking, didn't it? So now what do we do with the Oppressors of the Palestinians (to use your coined phrase)

[Behind the Aegis]

80. Well, the first thing is not to use revisionism.

[The Magistrate]

77. One Might Make A Sound Guess At The Reason, Sir

And that would be that the usage of the word, which amounts to a charge that a criticism it is employed against is rooted in hate and bigotry against Jews, stings, and so naturally persons on the other side of the debate would prefer to see that weapon struck from the hand of their foes. It is certainly true that it is used on occassion in a far too blanket a fashion by defenders of Israel, and people who are not bigots and haters of Jews but opponents of Israel will justly resent such usage directed against them.

[Violet_Crumble]

99. "On occassion"?? That's the understatement of the century n/t

[The Magistrate]

103. Understatement, Ma'am, Is My Stock In Trade....

[Violet_Crumble]

108. self-delete n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

69. Oppressors of Palestinians, that's who.

You asked what are those who oppress Palestinians are called. They are called 'oppressors.' If you are looking for a term that describes prejudice against Palestinians because they are Palestinian, such a word does not exist. If you are looking for a word that describes prejudice against Muslims because they are Muslims, that term is 'Islamaphobia.' If you are looking for a word that describes prejudice against Arabs because they are Arabs, that is simply called anti-Arabism. Furthermore, just as not all criticism and/or actions against Israel are anti-Semitic, the same is true of criticism and/or actions against Palestinians prejudiced, Islamaphobic, and/or anti-Arab.

[yankhadenuf]

75. That's a mouthful

So what are we going to do to stop the oppression by the Oppressors of Palestinians?

[Behind the Aegis]

78. Encourage negotiations.

It is all that can be done. Both sides are responsible for the situation in the disputed territories. There is more of a burden on Israel because it is the established nation and the current occupier. However, to pretend that one side is more to blame for everything will do nothing to end the oppression.

[yankhadenuf]

84. Pretend? Umm, that's current revisionist term

you are using there

[Behind the Aegis]

94. How is the use of "pretend" revisionist?

Or have you also re-defined that word as well?!

[yankhadenuf]

101. No, you have

Why do you use the word 'pretend' in that context?

[Behind the Aegis]

114. No.

The statement: "However, to pretend that one side is more to blame for everything will do nothing to end the oppression." is accurate. There are those on both sides that pretend it is the other side that is always to blame and that their side is never wrong.

[everythingsxen]

2. Well as Stein points out with that passage..

It sure sounds a lot like it is ok for suicide bombers to do their thing until Israel capitualtes.

[Hippo_Tron]

41. Have you read the book?

I intend to do so because I respect Carter as an authority on this subject and doubt that is what he is saying here.

[theoldman]

3. I am glad that President Carter had the balls to show the other

side of the issue. Many of my Jewish friends agree with him. I know that this may surprise people who think that all Jews think the same. There is disagreement within a Jewish family. After all they are human and no different than us.

[Donnachaidh]

8. Carter definitely gets props for speaking the unspeakable.

I'm definitely going to read this book.

[muntrv]

4. Criticizing Israel is anti-semitic like criticizing George Bush is terrorism.

[QuestionAll...]

7. and criticising Gorge is criticising all americans.

including the self-haters like Clooney, Sy Hersch, Chomsky, Sheehan, etc. , etc., etc.,

[BlooInBloo]

16. ... or like criticizing "the troops".

[cali]

19. Sorry, some criticism of Israel

is indeed anti-semitic. Your comparison is specious.

[Behind the Aegis]

36. Cali, you need some...

Excedrin-RTH. It is not the "perfect" thing for you (considering recent threads), but until a similar product hits the market, it should help! :)

[NobleCynic]

40. Grammatically speaking, you're in the wrong.

He did not say what it seems you took from his words. He did not say all criticism of Israel was right, nor did he imply it.

[cali]

45. LOL

Pray enlighten me about the grammatical errors in my post. As to your claim that the poster I responded to, was not saying or implying that all criticism of Israel was unfounded, I refer you again to what he/she stated:

"Criticizing Israel is anti-semitic like criticizing George Bush is terrorism."

The poster did not say some criticism.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. Ah, the smell of AIPAC in the air. It reminds me of antisemitism.

yeah, right.

[Hippo_Tron]

6. Gonna have to read the book now

I highly doubt that he justifies suicide bombing, but perhaps he points out that there's a reason besides anti-semitism that it happens.

[malaise]

9. Carter is correct as usual

Of interest is that the first person to make that analogy was a Jewish Member of Parliament in Israel. Ah well.

[cali]

10. Jimmy Carter is a portrait in courage

and most certainly not an anti-semite, He has written a prescription for peace in the middle east, and he's right about AIPAC smothering dialog in this country. He's also right that the Occupation, particularly in the WB is effectively akin to apartheid. He makes it very clear that he is not applying the word to Israel itself, which he praises as a vibrant democracy.

But the title of this OP is more than a little misleading. The title of the actual piece has nothing in common with it whatsoever. Furthermore there's not one person quoted in the article that labels President Carter as an anti-semite.

[yankhadenuf]

51. Jimmy speaks and people are finally listening

because he has integrity and credibility. The dialog will never be smothered again because of Carter's courage.

[Phx_Dem]

53. What dialog is being smothered?

Any examples?

Here at DU there have been over 158,000 posts in the I/P forum.

[Violet_Crumble]

119. Heard of AIPAC?

As Cali pointed out, they do attempt to smother discussion of the topic in the US...

[Crunchy Frog]

12. I'm picking up his new book as soon as I get my next paycheck.

I can't wait to read it. Jimmy Carter is one of my favorite people in the world, bar none.

[BlooInBloo]

15. To lots of folks, *any* criticism of Israel constitutes anti-Semitism...

... There should be an Israeli version of Atrios' rules.

:rofl:

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_12_17_atrios_archive.html#116645724148144035

[devilgrrl]

18. I think Lukud are a bunch searing assholes, I must be a Jew hater!

:eyes: Yep, that's gotta be it. :sarcasm:

[k_jerome]

17. hate it when all those Jewish groups complain about...

anti-semitism. Kinda like the NAACP and Jesse Jackson whining about all this so-called racism in our country.

[cali]

21. If mainstream Jewish groups are accusing

Carter of anti-semitism, that's wrong. I haven't seen it, but it may be happening. What burns me here is the dishonesty of the OP title. The article that s/he purports demonstrates that people are calling Jimmy Carter an anti-semite, does no such thing.

[k_jerome]

34. I do not think mainstream groups are going so far..

the ADL does characterize the book as an attack against Israel.

[bicentennial_baby]

22. Um, Jimmy Carter is being f'n pounced on for his book,

which is an attempt at shining some realistic light on the I/P situation. The outcry against it is completely over the top, and unfair, imho.

[bananas]

24. IBTL! nt

[Holly_Hobby]

25. Isn't this this same person who

brokered a deal between Israel and Egypt that still stands to this day?

[Tesha]

46. And won the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts! (NT)

[AX10]

26. According to the right wing, critizism of Israel is "anti-semitism"...

but conservative Christian Mel Gibson's outright smear of Jews is not "anti-semitism".

:eyes:

[sam sarrha]

28. Photo Liink of Palistenian Apartheid.. or maybe just olive tree theft..

http://www.mcc.org/gallery/04_09/photo_09.html

how much did it cost to steal that guys family's tree, they probably needed it for good

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. Jimmy's right. It is apartheid, complete with Bantustans.

BTW - If you'll notice, the article below was written by an Israeli.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,1203181,00.html

Similarly, when in South Africa a failed attempt was made to solve demographic problems by creating "homelands for the blacks", liberals originally supported the idea, and even a portion of the international community viewed the measure as a step toward "decolonisation". But, after a short time, it became clear that the ploy was designed to confer legitimacy on the expulsion of black people, and their uprooting. The bantustans collapsed, demands for civil equality intensified, and the world mobilised for the defeat of apartheid.

The bantustan model for Gaza, as depicted in the disengagement plan, is a model that Sharon plans to copy on the West Bank. His announcement that he will not start to disengage before construction of the fence is completed along a route that will include all settlement blocs (in keeping with Binyamin Netanyahu's demand), underscores the continuity of the bantustan concept. The fence creates three bantustans on the West Bank - Jenin-Nablus, Bethlehem-Hebron and Ramallah. This is the real link between the Gaza and West Bank plans. The link is not what those politicians who will provide a "security net" for Sharon in a Knesset no-confidence vote call "the precedent of the dismantling of settlements".

And thus, with breathtaking daring, Sharon submits a plan that appears to promise the existence of a "Jewish democratic state" via "separation", "the end of the conquest", the "dismantling of settlements" - and also the imprisonment of some 3 million Palestinians in bantustans. This is an "interim plan" that is meant to last forever. The plan will last, however, only as long as the illusion is sustained that "separation" is a means to end the conflict.

The day will come when believers in this illusion will realise that "separation" is a means to oppress and dominate, and then they will mobilise to dismantle the apartheid apparatus. The last ones who will consent to abandon the ideal of "separation" and uphold rights will be the Palestinians, but - to some extent - Sharon's separation plan and Bush's declaration will provoke them.

· Meron Benvenisti is an Israeli writer and political scientist, and former deputy mayor of Jerusalem. This is an edited version of an article that first appeared in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz

[KoKo]

30. Apparently (article says) that Atlanta Community has turned against him...

the RW Evangelists having questions about his book and some in the Jewish and Latino communities, also.

[rollopollo]

39. Did the RW Evangelists

...ever support Jimmy Carter? It seems that the Christian Right has been the most vitriolic against Carter's book.

[Zhade]

32. Yeah, how dare he tell the truth about Apartheid.

NT!

[bonito]

35. For further reading,

Challenge Jimmy carter and you automatically discredit yourself in my book.

http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/c.hsJPK0PIJpH/b.673803/apps/nl/content2.asp?content_id={F83C4615-55C2-4BD7-8288-15D747F778A1}¬oc=1

[everythingsxen]

37. Your point being?

Consider me discredited then, for as much as I care.

I challenge Carter because he commits more than a few errors in the book, many of which could be considered lies of omission (or possibly intent) which attempts to paint Israel as having done various things that were done in fact by the Palestinians. (examples: the Egyptian Cement fiasco. It was the Palestinan Government seizing the funds, but Carter's book ambiguosly says "the Government"; implying it was Israel in much the same way * convinced America to go to war with Iraq by mentioning them in the same sentance as Osama. Example 2: In discussing who walked away from peace negotiations, it is made to sound as though Israel rejected peace, when it was the Palestinians who rejected peace)

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[KoKo]

47. Actually "bonita's" link is to the Dershowitz discrediting of Carter....

and to the Israel Project which is alerting journalists to the "factual errors" in Carter's book....according to them...the "factual errors."

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[oberliner]

48. Where the hell does anyone in this article accuse him of being an anti-semite?

There is absolutely no mention of anyone calling President Carter an anti-semite anywhere in this article.

[msmcghee]

49. Is not the title of the article supposed to be . .

. . the title of the thread?

"Jimmy Carter's Mideast book polarizes opinion."

[Lurking Dem]

50. It is but the new title

is more guaranteed to get people in a tizzy.

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[Violet_Crumble]

137. fwiw, I alerted on this thread a while back...

And I'd be safe in guessing others did too. Apart from the problem with the title of the thread, it's nothing but a flamefest and was used to bait and hound another poster...

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[Tom Joad]

139. While there is a full-scale attack on Carter, Israel is building MORE ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS

Further carving up the West Bank, forcing the Palestinians into cramped "population centers"... bantustans.

The settlements, of course, are for Israeli Jews only, or those pretending to be Israeli Jews.

It is a nasty form of Apartheid, and people here damn-well know it.

[Lithos]

140. Locking

Please note that an exception was made to the title because of how it entered the forum. However because people are now using the thread to attack the moderators for this decision, it is now obvious useful discussion has ended.

Lithos
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