IDF offered to 'transfer' 2 W. Bank villages, court told

[Scurrilous]

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"A petition to the High Court of Justice heard Monday states that the Israel Defense Forces has offered to "voluntarily transfer" the residents of two villages in the West Bank, in order to avoid disruption over the route of the separation fence.

The offer to the two villages, which are located within the territorial perimeter claimed by the adjacent settlement of Alfei Menashe, came after the court determined that the current route of the fence in the area was illegal.

The court ruled more than a year ago in favor of a peition by the residents of five villages in the "Alfei Menashe enclave," and told the IDF to dismantle the fence where it cut the villages off from the rest of the West Bank.

The details of the IDF offer emerged Monday during a court hearing on a fresh petition against the new route, co-presented by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.

The petition brands the IDF offer as "encouragement of voluntary transfer with the purpose of annexing the land to Israel."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/805903.html

[newyorican]

1. When an army "offers" you transfer...

I'm reminded of the line from The Godfather.

[breakaleg]

2. Here is a case of a group who brought their case to the High Court and won.

There have been many here who say that all Palestinians have to do if they have issue with the route of the fence is to do the same. I would like to know how difficult it is to bring such a case forth? Is it only the wealthy that can (realistically)? And of all the cases brought forth, how many won?

I'm just trying to get a sense of how realistic and practical the suggestions that Palestinians really do have a recourse that works.

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[Violet_Crumble]

4. Palestinians who are affected by the fence aren't killing Israelis...

Breakaleg was talking about Palestinians who are being affected by the construction of the fence....

[msmcghee]

6. Breakaleg's last sentence is . .

"I'm just trying to get a sense of how realistic and practical the suggestions that Palestinians really do have a recourse that works."

I was just showing that Palestinians actually have a much better recourse than going to court.

[Violet_Crumble]

7. And??

'I was just showing that Palestinians actually have a much better recourse than going to court.'

You also said that they were killing Israelis....

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[Violet_Crumble]

9. Read post #4 again...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=160919&mesg_id=161000

So as the Palestinians affected by the fence aren't killing Israelis, why would you say they were?


btw, I hate to rehash stuff that's old, but back then you said most Palestinians were monsters, not all, and I never claimed you said 'all'...

[msmcghee]

10. I still don't understand the thrust of your argument / question.

What I said was, "They have a very good recourse that works. It is to stop killing Israelis and accept the state of Israel."

To be more specific, what I meant was that - if those Palestinians who continue to kill Israelis and refuse to accept the state of Israel in the ME would change their mind about that - then those Palestinians who are adversely affected by the fence would find relief from that condition.

I did not specify which Palestinians are in either group but I would assume there is some overlap.

[Violet_Crumble]

11. But Breakaleg was talking about Palestinians who are affected by the wall..

So now that you know that's what was meant, what recourse do you think there is for Palestinians affected by it?

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[breakaleg]

14. I missed the earlier posts that were deleted. But you've taken this off track.

Interesting that what I thought would lead to an informative discussion on a fairly neutral topic was taken in this direction.

What you are advocating is collective punishment to all Palestinians for the sake of a few. Are you are willing to punish ALL Israelis for their few extremists? Thought not. Why waste time with this?

[Tom Joad]

5. A Lieberman-like policy of transfer of Palestinians.

Avigdor Lieberman (not to be confused with Joe Lieberman War-Conn.) may never make it as Prime Minister, but his policier os transfer seems to be part of the Israeli mainstream.

[Douglas Carpenter]

13. unfortuantely many of Lieberman's views appear to be fairly common in Israel

"More Israeli Jews favor transfer of Palestinians, Israeli Arabs - poll finds - link: http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=140196&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0

By Amnon Barzilai

"Some 46 percent of Israel's Jewish citizens favor transferring Palestinians out of the territories, while 31 percent favor transferring Israeli Arabs out of the country, according to the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies' annual national security public opinion poll."

snip:"A representative sample of 1,264 Jewish residents of Israel were polled for the survey last month in face-to-face interviews.

Israeli-Arabs pose a threat to Israel's security, according to 61 percent of the Jewish population, while around 80 percent are opposed to Israeli-Arabs being involved in important decisions, such as delineating the country's borders, up from 75 percent last year and 67 percent in 2000.

Some 72 percent of Jewish Israelis are opposed to Arab parties being part of a coalition government, compared to 67 percent last year and 50 percent in 1999"

snip:"A representative sample of 1,264 Jewish residents of Israel were polled for the survey last month in face-to-face interviews."

link to full article: http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=140196&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0
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here is one recent poll with a extensive breakdown of Palestinian opinion:

"Some believe that a two-state formula is the favored solution for the Arab-Israeli conflict, while others believe that historic Palestine can’t be divided and thus the favored solution is a bi-national state on all of Palestine where Palestinians and Israelis enjoy equal representation and rights. Which of these solutions do you prefer?

Two-state solution: an Israeli
state and a Palestinian state
52.4%

Bi-national state on all
of historic Palestine
23.6%

No solution
9.4%

One Palestinian state
7.4%

Islamic state
2.9%

Others
2.0%

Don’t know
1.0%

No answer
1.3%

Source: Jerusalem Media & Communication Center
Methodology -- Interviews with 1,197 adults in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, conducted on Jun. 21 and Jun. 22, 2006. Margin of error is 3 per cent "

link to full article: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/12493