Arabs say world is ignoring Israel's nukes

[Resistance]

http://www.swisspolitics.org/en/news/index.php?section=int&page=news_inhalt&news_id=4293792

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - With the world pressing Iran and North Korea to give up nuclear programs, Arab states have criticised the
West for allowing Israel to remain outside global nonproliferation regimes.

Israel is widely believed to have nuclear weapons capability but has not signed on to major agreements, including the Nuclear
Nonproliferation Treaty, which is aimed at curbing the spread of nuclear arms.

"What surprises us is that at a time when the International Atomic Energy Agency is intensifying its efforts and monitoring (NPT) members
countries ... we see that it continues to ignore the rejection of Israel in not joining the treaty," Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Prince Saud
al-Faisal told the annual meeting of the U.N. General Assembly on Monday.

"This constitutes a serious threat to the security and stability of the whole region," he said.

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[Flying_Pig]

1. Hypocricy breeds resentment, and in this case, I can't say I blame

the Arab world. The entire Middle East needs to be nuclear free. Taken further, the entire world needs to be nuclear free. As someone who has directly experienced nuclear blasts, and has had a lifetime of suffering from their effects, I can tell you, first hand, that no one should be allowed these weapons, especially war mongering fascists (Sharon, Bush), and/or, religious nuts (radical Muslims, Jerry Falwell, et al).

Under the circumstances, if I were an Arab, right now in the the Middle East, I would want the "bomb", to counter-act the fascist imperialism being thrust upon the Arab world, in the name of oil, and real estate.

Hopefully, we will soon have a Dem leader of this nation, who will seek to disarm the entire Middle East, and then work to rid the rest of the planet of these evil (understatement) weapons.

[Muddleoftheroad]

2. When Pigs Fly

You expect that Israel will give up its only final means of self defense to make you happy?

Not likely.

[Flying_Pig]

3. The same could be said about Arabs who might have the...

"final means", as you put it. Why should they give it up? Because Israel, and their fascist allies in the current U.S. administration say so? Your views, Sir, are an excellent example of hypocrisy.

[Muddleoftheroad]

4. No, I am pragmatic

Most of the world is against the expansion of the nuclear club. I am just realistic enough to say that no one who already has nukes is giving them up. That doesn't mean we let anybody else get them.

In this case, especially the terror-friendly nations like Iran.

[cprise]

6. I am interested

Would you care to post a comparison of the "terror-friendly" activities of Iran and the U.S.?

[Muddleoftheroad]

13. No need

Iran actively funds and supports terrorists against Israel. That is all I need to know in this case.

[sushi]

18. And Israel,

actively funded and supported by the US, terrorizes back the Palestinians. What's the difference!

We should give all these aggressive men leaders one-way tickets to Mars, and they can take the greedy corporate thieves with them.

[Classical_Liberal]

35. There is no evidence of funding anything but military weapons

even among palestinian groups. The mostly fund hizbolla, who never target civilians though they have accidently hit them just like Israel and the US do. The weapons shipment looked like military weapons. Furthermore it would be stupid for any country to give nukes to a rogue group. There are no guarentees it wouldn't be used on Iran. You are over the top again. Though there is method to the madness. You want America to target a strategically effective enemy of Israel so you call them terrorist based on standards that would make the US and Israel terrorist assuming that people won't look at the actual record.

[Jackie97]

8. Iran is terrorist happy, but Israel isn't?

Israel terrorizes the Palestinians on a daily basis and is a constant threat to Syria and Lebanon. What's Iran directly done lately that can actually be proven?

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[sushi]

11. I agree

The whole world should be nuclear free. However, now that there are a few countries that do have nuclear weapons I don't see why they insist on others not trying to get them too. If Israel can have them why not Iran?

[Muddleoftheroad]

14. Because Iran is in the back pocket of terror groups

And if they get nukes, there is nothing to stop them from doing the old hand-off. Since I still have family in Washington D.C. I oppose such a strategy, but I would under any circumstances.

You can't put the djinni back in the bottle, that doesn't mean you break ALL the bottles.

[Jackie97]

15. Iran's the back pocket of terror groups?

Where do you get that from?

[sushi]

16. When bullies have nukes

it's in the interest of smaller countries to also have them. The bullies of the world prefer to negotiate with North Korea, because, although it's a most unpleasant place with a, shall we say, strange leader, they have nuclear weapons which can attack South Korea and Japan (friends!) and, I read, immediately kill a million people.

As for terrorism, 'they' terrorize the west and the west terrorizes them back (what's the difference), and since the west has more deadly weapons (for now!) there are more innocent victims on 'their' side.

[Jackie97]

7. Perhaps I'm wrong.

I keep thinking that the main rule is that America, Europe, and Israel are allowed to have nukes because they are supposedly more "civilized". I keep thinking that in reality, it's probably because the majority of their populations have less melanin in their skin.

[cprise]

9. Isreal has made quite an effort

...ad-absurdum to impress upon the world that they are 'European', have been inviting themselves to many European international events and competitions, and recently made a bid for EU membership.

And I'll let this one speak for itself:

"A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
"Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away."
...
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4307083-102275,00.html

[bemildred]

10. Makes one think of all those "spaniards" down in Latin America.

[Jackie97]

12. Outragious.

It is a fact that with the exception of a lot of "Jews by Choice" that most Jews and Palestinians are actually closely related.

To say differently is simply going against science from what I understand.

I think that some people (some Jews, some Israelis, some "pro-Israelis") are wanting to make the Israelis out to be more genetically linked to the Europeans because deep down, they believe the old myth that Europeans are superior to the world. Therefore, they want to make the Israelis part of the "racially superior" over others such as Palestinians. That's sad since Jews have been suffering at the hands of "superior" Europeans for over two thousand years.

[sushi]

17. I understand

Jews and Arabs are the same people, called Semites.

[sushi]

19. I think you're right

It is the unsaid reason, and would probably be strenuously denied, but I'm afraid the world is changing, slowly.

[Darranar]

20. I think it's more than that...

The US fiercly opposed France's nuclear program, and they are a European nation. It has more to do, IMO, with who one can expect to wield influence in accorsance with one's foreign policy.

[sushi]

21. All countries should have nuclear weapons

so nobody gets attacked without being able to hit back.

:evilgrin:

[Darranar]

22. That's a bad idea...

If some madman gets one of those things, I shudder to think of the results.

[sushi]

23. Right!

So let's destroy all nuclear weapons. It should be everybody or nobody.

[Darranar]

24. Fine with me...

under the condition that they will never be created again.

[sushi]

25. All we have to do now

is convince Russia, the US, Israel, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, North Korea, and who else?! Don't hold your breath. Meanwhile Iran is hard at work, and I don't blame them. I'm shopping till I drop and eating a lot of tiramisu, just in case.

[Darranar]

26. You forgot China...

and South Africa. But good points.

[sushi]

29. That's right

How could I forget China. Didn't know about South Africa!
I also read that now that North Korea has them, Japan feels it should be looking into also having them.

Nuclear weapons are becoming fashionable. They're like new clothes and the latest style accessories - you're behind, and others look down on you, if you don't get them!
If you don't have nuclear weapons the ones that do can bully, exploit, or dominate you, or tell you what to do, and if you don't they can attack you and there's nothing you can do.

[Darranar]

31. I'm not sure about South Africa...

but if my memory serves me correclty they're an unofficial member, like Israel.

[Lithos]

32. South Africa

Officially had nukes (3?) at one time back when it was an Apartheid regime. However they dismantled them and the infrastructure before integration.

L-

[Darranar]

33. Okay...

my source may have been outdated.

Thanks, Lithos.

[Muddleoftheroad]

27. Fantasy

Try reality. The world doesn't work that way.

[Darranar]

28. So?

It's fun to dream...

However cynical I can sometimes get, idealism has its place in me as well.

[Muddleoftheroad]

34. I don't see its place

To me, we should discuss practical problems or practical solutions, but that's me.

[sushi]

30. You think you have to

tell me that? Why do you think I'm eating a lot of tiramisu?