French Official Sacked for Anti-Israel Diatribe.

[Flagg]

PARIS, March 23, 2008 (AFP) - A French senior civil servant has been sacked for publishing a violent anti-Israeli diatribe on a web site, the interior ministry said.
Bruno Guigue, deputy prefect of the southwestern town of Saintes, wrote in an online column this month that Israel was "the only state where snipers shoot down little girls outside their school gates."
The author of several books on the Israli-Palestinian conflict, Guigue wrote of the "Israeli jails where -- thanks to religious law -- they stop torturing on the Sabbath."
Interior Minister Michele Alliot-Marie dismissed the official after learning of the column on Wednesday, the ministry said.

http://www.ttc.org/200803230939.m2n9dqu02580.htm

[subsuelo]

1. Translation: French Official sacked for being pro-Palestinian-Human-Rights

[pelsar]

15. so do you agree?

that israel targets and snipes little girls?....on some posts you say yes..then you backtrack and say no....and so are you agreeing on these posts?.....

[subsuelo]

19. I've never backtracked

Find some contradictory comments I've made, otherwise your claim is utterly false.

[hifalutin]

18. Freedom of expression

In France, the recognition of the freedom of expression does not imply the right to defame its neighbour, any kind of insult demonstrating racial or religious discrimination is punishable by law.

[subsuelo]

20. Where was the insult based on racial or religious discrimination?

[hifalutin]

21. The right to defame

[subsuelo]

24. That doesn't address the question

Where did the fired civil servant make an insult based on racial or religious discrimination?

[hifalutin]

25. Who said he was fired

based on racial or religious discrimination?

'been sacked for publishing a violent anti-Israeli diatribe on a web site, the interior ministry said.'

[subsuelo]

26. Exactly - that's what I was asking you

in response to your post 18.

[hifalutin]

27. Oh I see your

point...
the race and religious bit were a continuation of the French law re defamation etc.
rather like the 10 commandments
thou shalt not
thou shalt not

and so on.

[Vegasaurus]

2. The ONLY STATE that does WHAT?

Let's take a look at some of the states that practice real genocides, that really shoots down anything that moves. Where is Mr. Guigue's indictment of the true genocide in Sudan? How about in China/Tibet? Shall we continue?

[subsuelo]

3. as if other states doing it lets Israel off the hook

:eyes:

[LeftishBrit]

4. It doesn't ...

but it negates his statement that Israel is 'the only state' where such things happen. He's the one who brought this 'the only state' idea up.

[subsuelo]

5. You know of another state that has snipers getting away with shooting little girls?

[oberliner]

6. How about the US?

In separate databases that include real-time observations from reporters on the ground, IBC presents a number of journalistic accounts of Iraqis killed by their supposed American "liberators." IBC's "Falluja Archive" contains (to give one among many examples) an April 2004 Associated Press (AP) story relating how more than 600 Iraqis, "mostly women, children, and the elderly," were butchered during Uncle Sam's massive "retaliatory" (after the resistance killed U.S.-funded Blackwell Security mercenaries) campaign in Falluja. "Iraqis in Falluja," the AP noted, "complained that civilians were coming under fire by U.S. snipers."

In a May 7th (2004) dispatch reproduced by IBC, New Standard correspondent Dahr Jamail reported that "rows and rows of fresh graves" occupied by civilians killed by their American "liberators" "filled the football stadium in Fallujah. Many of ," Jamail noted, "are smaller than others. My translator Nermim reads the gravestones to me: 'This one is a little girl.' We take another step. 'This is one is her sister.' Next to them is their mother."

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Print_Media/TFriedman_IraqCivilians.html

[subsuelo]

12. acknowledged

[LeftishBrit]

8. It might be easier to come up with a state at war where they DON'T ever get away with such things...

'Collateral damage', aka civilians, often children, being killed, is horrifically common in wars. Which doesn't make it right, of course.

You don't think that we've killed children in Iraq? Or that American didn't kill children in Vietnam?

[breakaleg]

9. A sniper shooting at children is not collateral damage. nt

[oberliner]

10. How about the Democratic Republic of Congo?

How about Liberia?

Two-thirds of Liberian high school students reported in a survey that they knew someone who had been killed, tortured or raped.

How about Sierra Leone?

Young girls were routinely raped and forced to be "wives" to army commanders.

How about Chad? Somalia? Sudan?

How about Russia/Chechnya?

[subsuelo]

11. The question is actually specific to snipers taking out little girls

[MaryCeleste]

14. Any proof that little girls are being intentional shot by snipers

as in targeted, not collateral or fog of war?

[subsuelo]

16. It's well documented

Start with the various human rights reports. Also keep up with the news in the Guardian, Haaretz, and others. I also find reports from various peace groups to be honest in their analysis and findings -- BTSelem, Peace Now, Gush Shalom, are some examples.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jul/28/israel

Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street in Khan Yunis refugee camp with her mother, Lila Abu Selmi.

"Almost every day here the Israelis shoot at random, so when you hear it you get inside as quickly as possible," says Mrs Selmi. "Haneen went to the grocery store to buy some crisps. When the shooting started, I came out to find her. She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying, 'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other. She was still in my arms and she died."

As (9 year-old) Rahman hung a Palestinian flag on the fence, a bullet caught him under his left eye. He died on the spot. "It looks as if the soldiers saw him put the flag on the fence and they shot him," says Rahman's brother, 19-year-old Ijaram. "There were many kids next to him, next to the fence. But he was the only one carrying the flag. Why else would they have shot him?"

The numbers are staggering; one in five Palestinian dead is a child. The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) says at least 408 Palestinian children have been killed since the beginning of the intifada in September 2000. Nearly half were killed in the Gaza strip, and most of those died in two refugee camps in the south, Khan Yunis and Rafah. The PCHR says they were victims of "indiscriminate shooting, excessive force, a shoot-to-kill policy and the deliberate targeting of children".

[Shaktimaan]

22. These don't exactly meet the criteria you set up either, do they?

As you said, "The question is actually specific to snipers taking out little girls" (But if we really need to be as specific as you suggest, the actual quote is..."the only state where snipers shoot down little girls outside their school gates."

If you're going to reject other people's posts based on their not conforming to the exact details then it only seems fair to hold yourself to a similar standard. None of these mention snipers, in only one is the unfortunate victim a girl but she was not by her school when she was killed. Neither was the boy, who was interacting with the separation fence, not his school's gate.

[subsuelo]

23. wasn't what I was asked

[Shaktimaan]

28. That's true.

You were asked whether you had any evidence that young girls were being intentionally shot by snipers. Which you also failed to present. None of your examples had anything to do with young girls being intentionally shot by snipers.

[oberliner]

7. Anybody speak French?

The diatribe in question can be found here, in French:

http://oumma.com/Quand-le-lobby-pro-israelien-se

[subsuelo]

13. Thanks n/t

[Flagg]

17. I'd just like to remind everyone

that the point of this thread is that the guy, a French-government official, was fired for the anti-Israel diatribe.