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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:32 AM
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Genocide announced

Bombs would fall under other circumstances, but when influential rabbis call for the total annihilation of the Palestinians the world watches without blinking, writes Saleh Al-Naami

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"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts." This was the religious opinion issued one week ago by Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, director of the Tsomet Institute, a long-established religious institute attended by students and soldiers in the Israeli settlements of the West Bank. In an article published by numerous religious Israeli newspapers two weeks ago and run by the liberal Haaretz on 26 March, Rosen asserted that there is evidence in the Torah to justify this stand. Rosen, an authority able to issue religious opinions for Jews, wrote that Palestinians are like the nation of Amalekites that attacked the Israelite tribes on their way to Jerusalem after they had fled from Egypt under the leadership of Moses. He wrote that the Lord sent down in the Torah a ruling that allowed the Jews to kill the Amalekites, and that this ruling is known in Jewish jurisprudence.

Rosen's article, which created a lot of noise in Israel, included the text of the ruling in the Torah: "Annihilate the Amalekites from the beginning to the end. Kill them and wrest them from their possessions. Show them no mercy. Kill continuously, one after the other. Leave no child, plant, or tree. Kill their beasts, from camels to donkeys." Rosen adds that the Amalekites are not a particular race or religion, but rather all those who hate the Jews for religious or national motives. Rosen goes as far as saying that the "Amalekites will remain as long as there are Jews. In every age Amalekites will surface from other races to attack the Jews, and thus the war against them must be global." He urges application of the "Amalekites ruling" and says that the Jews must undertake to implement it in all eras because it is a "divine commandment".

Rosen does not hesitate to define the "Amalekites of this age" as the Palestinians. He writes, "those who kill students as they recite the Torah, and fire missiles on the city of Siderot, spread terror in the hearts of men and women. Those who dance over blood are the Amalekites, and we must respond with counter-hatred. We must uproot any trace of humanitarianism in dealing with them so that we emerge victorious."

The true outrage is that most of those authorised to issue Jewish religious opinions support the view of Rabbi Rosen, as confirmed by Haaretz newspaper. At the head of those supporting his opinion is Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, the leading religious authority in Israel's religious national current, and former chief Eastern rabbi for Israel. Rosen's opinion also has the support of Rabbi Dov Lior, president of the Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), and Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, the chief rabbi of Safed and a candidate for the post of chief rabbi of Israel. A number of political leaders in Israel have also shown enthusiasm for the opinion, including Ori Lubiansky, head of the Jerusalem municipality.

more, more, more...
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2008/892/re72.htm
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:40 AM
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1. religious insanity is a terrible affliction....
Wow. Not much to say after reading that article.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:47 AM
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2. Damn those Amelekites.
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 08:58 AM by msmcghee
A few thousand years ago war between tribes was the way humanity lived . . and died. Cities were built with strong walls around them. If they were successfully beseiged it was common and expected that all inside would be killed except for some virgins perhaps. People who derive their religious beliefs from this period usually drop the really horrendous stuff but sometimes - in some sects - it comes through and finds expression in our times. Even then it is seldom acted out . . it just provides fodder for the unending war of beliefs that goes on between all tribes, even the tribes here in I/P.

I think it will be a while though before Israel (and the US of course, because we do their bidding by way of AIPAC) start annihilating any Amelekites - who have grown from a few hundred thousand to over 9 million in the last few decades.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:04 AM
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3. What is the news here?
Are people surprised that there are right wing nutters among the settlers who want to get rid of the Palestinians? It is a repugnant message, but I don't know who is really surprised by it.

But it isn't like the government of Israel is endorsing genocide against the Palestinians. On the other hand, the government of Gaza IS promoting genocide against the Israelis.

Fringe groups are bad enough, but the entire government endorsing genocide is something else altogether.

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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:15 AM
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11. Yes, what is the news here?
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 09:20 AM by msmcghee
Here we have an OP claiming that all of Israel's religious leaders agree with the need to annihilate the Amelekites (Palestinians) down to the last child, camel and donkey.

I can mention within a thread that Daniel Pipes believes that supporting moderate Muslims is the best approach to reducing conflict in the world between Islam and the West - and there is an immediate string of posts labeling me as RW apologist for anti-Islam hate for mentioning anything Pipes says.

Then we get OP's like this claiming that all Israel's Jewish leaders support genocide of Palestinians - with no explanation of the poster's opinion of it - and these pass we hardly any critical notice.

Interesting contrast.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:50 AM
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14. The news is the call for Genocide.
"But it isn't like the government of Israel is endorsing genocide against the Palestinians."

But has the Israeli government denounced what this Rabbi has said?

Silence in the past has been considered acceptance, at least that's the accusation laid at the feet of the German people and the Catholic church during WWII. Why shouldn't the same definition be applied here, only this time, it's the government that's silent
while some of the people are advocates of genocide!


"On the other hand, the government of Gaza IS promoting genocide against the Israelis."

The difference is that the 'government' of Gaza is made up of one single entity, Hamas, the government of Israel isn't!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:06 AM
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4. I thought this sort of thing was a crime? "Hate speech" or inciting to genocide or something.
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 09:07 AM by bemildred
Why is this loon running loose? Where is the ADL on this? Foxman should be hot on the trail here.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:08 AM
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5. Do you really think the settlers plan to incite genocide? nt
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:09 AM
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6. Do you really think this fuckwit doesn't mean it? nt
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:02 AM
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15. He probably 'means it' , in that it's what he'd like to happen,
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 10:03 AM by LeftishBrit
but realistically he fortunately has no real power. Though there's always the risk of some idiot listening to him and feeling justified in some act of violence or murder - as with all hate-talkers.

In any case, he's disgusting. I have no idea what the hate-speech rules are in Israel; but I trust that he would be banned from entering the UK under our rules against admitting hate-preachers.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:14 AM
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18. That is true.
As long as one allows (and I expect that you would) that the same argument applies to similar types of comments from other sources, then I agree, one ought not lose ones composure over it. However it is STILL hate speech, and should not be overlooked by the legal authorities, the good Rabbis might not always be so impotent as they are now.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:08 AM
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19. Hate is hate, right? nt
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:38 AM
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20. If the rabbis act on this hate
by perpetrating violence against the Palestinians, then this goes beyond hate speech.

When hate speech devolves into action, rockets and suicide attacks and calls for the destruction of a sovereign nation (Hamas towards Israel), it is not hate speechit is violent and hateful action .

The rabbis have not carried out violent hateful actions. When they do, we can compare them.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:09 AM
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7. Hate speech has been narrowed down to anything Islam or Democratic.
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 09:09 AM by Mika
We can call female pols "fuckin whores" anytime.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:10 AM
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8. Hey Mika.
:hi:

I don't suppose you really expect me to defend the level of political discourse in the US.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:32 AM
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12. Hi bemildred.
:hi:

Naw. I do think that political discourse in the US would be a good idea though.



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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:34 AM
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13. Gandhi knew how to put it, didn't he?
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 09:40 AM by bemildred
(Edit: for the mystified: Gandhi on Western Civilization)
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:11 AM
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9. I would like to hear the candidates response to this. (n/t)
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:13 AM
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10. I think you'll need a winch to get them anywheres near it. nt
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:04 AM
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16. Why? He's not representing the Israeli, or any, government...
and it would just give him lots of free publicity for his racist theocratic rubbish.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:05 AM
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17. Here's a link to a report in Ha'aretz, with some reactions from other Jewish religious leaders...
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 10:05 AM by LeftishBrit
www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/968452.html
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:48 PM
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21. "most of those authorised to issue Jewish religious opinions support the view of Rabbi Rosen"
Who provides authorization?
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