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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:19 AM
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Mr. Zahar and Mr. Carter
Mr. Zahar and Mr. Carter
The former president, on what he says is a road to peace, embraces Hamas terrorists.

ON THE OPPOSITE page today we publish an article by the "foreign minister" of Hamas, Mahmoud al-Zahar, that drips with hatred for Israel, and with praise for former president Jimmy Carter.
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Mr. Zahar lauds Mr. Carter for the "welcome tonic" of saying that no peace process can succeed "unless we are sitting at the negotiating table and without any preconditions." Yet Mr. Zahar has his own preconditions: Before any peace process can "take even its first tiny step," he says, Israel must withdraw to the 1967 borders and evacuate Jerusalem while preparing for the "return of millions of refugees." In fact, as Mr. Zahar makes clear, Hamas is not at all interested in a negotiated peace with the Jewish state, whose existence it refuses to accept: "Our fight to redress the material crimes of 1948 is scarcely begun," he concludes.

In that fight, no act of terrorism is out of bounds for the Hamas leader, who endorses the group's recent ambush of Israeli civilians working at a fuel depot that supplies Gaza.
The "total war" of which he speaks was initiated and has been sustained by Hamas itself through its deliberate targeting of civilians, such as the residents of the Israeli town of Sderot, who suffer daily rocket attacks.

These facts would hardly need restating were it not for actors such as Mr. Carter, who portray Hamas as rational and reasonable. Hamas is "perfectly willing" for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas "to represent them in all direct negotiations with the Israelis, and they also maintain that they will accept any agreement that he brokers with the Israelis" provided a referendum is held on it, the former president told the newspaper Haaretz. Compare that claim with Mr. Zahar's own words on the opposite page. In fact, Mr. Zahar has called Mr. Abbas "a traitor" for negotiating with Israel -- a label that is, in the Palestinian context, an incitement to murder.

Mr. Carter justifies his meetings with familiar arguments about the value of dialogue with enemies. But he misses the point. Contacts between enemies can be useful: Israel is legendary for such negotiations, and even now it is engaged in back-channel bargaining with Hamas through Egypt. But it is one thing to communicate pragmatically, and quite another to publicly and unconditionally grant recognition and political sanction to a leader or a group that advocates terrorism, mass murder or the extinction of another state. That is what Mr. Carter is doing by lending what is left of his prestige to an avowed terrorist such as Khaled Meshal -- or Mahmoud al-Zahar.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/16/AR2008041603097.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:34 AM
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1. G-d bless Jimmy Carter.
He's one of the best friends Israel has ever had.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:46 AM
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3. But the Israelis would disagree with you
As the article says: It is one thing to communicate pragmatically, and quite another to publicly and unconditionally grant recognition and political sanction to a leader or a group that advocates terrorism, mass murder or the extinction of another state. That is what Mr. Carter is doing by lending what is left of his prestige to an avowed terrorist such as Khaled Meshal -- or Mahmoud al-Zahar.

Israel is just not that suicidal.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:58 AM
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4. You speak for all Israelis?
I don't think so.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:15 AM
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7. Do you know any Israelis? nt
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:38 AM
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9. Yes. You?
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:59 AM
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5. That's because the the type of friend Israel wants is a "yes-man". They aren't interested in truth.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:13 AM
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6. What's truth?
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 10:24 AM by Vegasaurus
Read what Mr. Zahar says.

NO acceptance of Israel.

NO negotiated peace.

Continued deliberate civilian attacks.

What truth are you interested in?

on edit: wrong word
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:38 AM
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2. I will say upfront that this Middle East issue is confusing for me.
That date that goes back to the forties is significant for this whole process. Since it is a process, and Mr. Carter has more credibility than the Washington Post journalist, I will have to put my faith in the path that Mr. Carter is proposing.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:54 AM
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8. If you are interested in learning more
Always remember - both sides have blood on their hands.

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