The Cancer Cells

[Darranar]

In the Six-Day War, hundreds of Israeli soldiers were murdered while storming the Sinai desert, the West Bank and the Golan heights.

In the Yom-Kippur War, more than 2000 Israeli soldiers were murdered in the defense of the conquered territories.

In the 18 year long Lebanon War, more than a thousand Israeli soldiers were murdered while conquering and occupying South Lebanon.

They would have been surprised to learn that they were "murdered". Perhaps they would have been insulted. After all, they were not helpless Jews in the ghetto who were killed during a pogrom by drunken Cossacks. They fell as soldiers in war.

http://www.gush-shalom.org/archives/article274.html

[rini]

1. Your point is?

n/t

[Darranar]

2. Did you read the article?

[drdon326]

3. I read it...

seriously....and your point is ??

:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

[Darranar]

4. And my points are...

- that those who attack IDF soldiers aren't terrorists

- that the settlements are indeed a major obstacle to peace, and need to be removed, or at least frozen

Both of these points have been disputed.

[ForestsBeatBushes]

5. oh.

so if a terrorist attacks a soldier, s/he isn't a terrorist?

that you prefer frozen settlements? (((brrrrrrr)))

thank you.

[Darranar]

6. Settlement growth needs to be frozen, yes...

the way I phrased it was admittedly strange.

Attacking Israeli soldiers isn't terrorism - if a terrorist did it, then s/he wouldn't be a terrorist, but a considerable majority of the attacks on Israeli soldiers aren't carried out by terrorists (unless you believe in guilt by association.)

[The Magistrate]

8. Actually, Mr. Bushes

Attacks against serving soldiers are legitimate acts of war. Attacks against enemy civilians are not. The peoples of Israel and Arab Palestine exist in a state of war, and have done for many decades. In war, it is usual to give no warning before attacking enemy soldiery, and to take all possible steps to make the engagement as one sided as can be contrived. It is not, really, very complicated at bottom.

[Classical_Liberal]

9. So If our soldiers attacked an invader our soldiers are terrorists?

just because the invader says so. That makes absolutely no sense.

[damnraddem]

10. A person attacking a soldier of an occupying force is not a terrorist.

The settlements should not just be frozen, they should be dismantled. The article got it right -- they are cancer cells. What should also be noted is that the patterns of settlement follow the aquifers, with the settlements absorbing more and more of the scarce water resources.

[tinnypriv]

7. Good article, Uri makes a decent point here

In fact, on Oct 26, both Ma'ariv and Yediot Aharonot used the term "murdered" in reference to the Netzarim attack.

On Oct 20, both also used "terrorist" in reference to the Ofra attack.

In this intifada I would agree with him that there has been kind of a merging of civilian and military casualties in the Israeli press.

BTW Uri also knows what he is talking about, since he served in the IDF and fought in the war of independence. :thumbsup:

It must however be noted that this new Israeli practice is not as bad as the Palestinian practice to call all their casualties "martyrs", regardless of whether they are innocent civilians, or murderous human bombs.