AMERICAN TEENS ARE FIGHTING BACK IN ISRAEL

[bemildred]

You just never know where you are going to find things ...

Edit: BTW, read the whole thing, there are 5 pages IIRC.

Later this year, 21-year-old Ephraim Khantsis will pack a couple of suitcases, say good-bye to his mother, leave his home in Brooklyn, and move to Israel. On arrival in Jerusalem he will enroll in a yeshiva, or religious school, that is popular with Americans. After a few months he will make his way north, to a place this young American feels is his true home: the Jewish settlement of Kfar Tapuach.

Perched on a hill just off Route 60, the main north-south road in the occupied West Bank, Kfar Tapuach is known as a particularly hard-line community. Home to about 600 people, the settlement has a history of welcoming American immigrants whose beliefs and acts raise alarms among Israeli intelligence agencies, leading them to monitor it as a haven for suspected terrorists.

Khantsis, who is in the process of applying for Israeli citizenship, will fit right in. Like the assassinated Brooklyn-born rabbi Meir Kahane, the man some in Kfar Tapuach consider their spiritual leader, Khantsis believes that all Arabs and Palestinians should be forcibly removed from territory controlled by Israel, including the West Bank.

http://men.style.com/details/features/landing?id=content_10397

[PDJane]

1. I've come to the conclusion that hard-core religious types,

no matter the flavour, are insane.

[ProgressiveMuslim]

8. More likely impotent wusses are attracted to belief systems that give them a false sense of power

and mastery.

I've seen sites where American zionist posters have avatars with the tag line "6 days, bitch." I'm sorry but that is so pathetic... doesn't take a degree in psychology to figure that out, does it?

[bemildred]

9. Is this not choice?

I'm sitting there in SuperCuts waiting for a haircut, leaving town for a week, reading this men's fashion magazine, and there it is. And DAMN it was online too.

Did you get some of the quotes later on?
:nuke:

You just don't know where to start, they let one slip through somehow. The guys that wrote and published this are sooooooo going to be sorry.

[Kurska]

14. Doesn't sound like the article is very favorable towards them

Seems like it did alot of contrasting between arabs just trying to live their lives and crazed mountain youth.

[bemildred]

19. I couldn't make up my mind about that.

It doesn't strike me as a pretty picture, to be sure, but the loaded language is all in the quotations, the rest is fairly matter of fact. I could see it being political hagiography in certain venues, a hit piece in others, but the usual slanted rhetoric is not there for either, it doesn't really try to tell you what to think. It seems very specific, with pictures of people, quotations of their words, place names, pictures of the places named, etc. If it's fake, it would be easy to check.

My tentative inference was that the authors/publishers might be new to the subject, even that they were taken up with the fashion statements of the hilltop youth or something stupid like that. But I really have no clue about what they thought they were up to. There were some notes about the author, IIRC. I would be interested to find out more, but cannot spend time on it now.

One of the associations it brought up in my mind was the Budapest Rebellion of 1956, where there were 14 yr old Hungarian kids fighting Soviet tanks with Molotov cocktails. It is a perfect example of why teens make the best cannon fodder and the worst generals. They are natural extremists.

[proteus_lives]

23. They should have lunch with impotent wusses

who strap-on suicide belts, launch rockets or travel to Afghanistan to fight "infidels"

[ProgressiveMuslim]

24. I don't think the US military are wusses at all.

Just the right wing nuts who get hard-ons cheering them on.

[proteus_lives]

25. Who mentioned the US military?

I was talking about the Palestinian/muslim version of wuss you rail against, they are practically the same person.

What point are you trying to make?

[Christa]

18. I concur

Religion is poison.

[T Wolf]

2. Since when does the Israeli government do anything to tamp down right-wing terrorism?

These mercenaries are their storm troopers and do the dirty work that the official Israeli military would get criticized for. Not that that stops the military from doing their job of oppressing non-Jews, but it does slow them down a bit.

[Kurska]

3. Oh jeez, you think you could edit the subject to not be in all caps.

I feel like the forum just yelled at me, Anywho... I was looking through the papers you need to emigrate to Israel and this guy defiantly is in violation of atleast a few questions on sedition.

[bemildred]

4. Not fooling with the text is one of the rules.

I mean I agree with you about the effect, but I make a rule never to modify the original text of posted articles.

[Kurska]

5. Yeah, but aren't all caplocks threads agains the rules aswell, this looking more like catch-22 by

the minute.

[bemildred]

6. So you have not read the rules?

Tsk, tsk.

[Kurska]

13. Read the rules awhile ago, thought I recalled there being something about all caps.

But a quick search for "all caps threads" on du shows I am very very wrong.

[bemildred]

17. All caps is indeed not polite, tacky.

Not messing with original text goes somewhat deeper than that. The main point is that those were not my caps, and that I was being faithful to the article I posted. That is a habit I learned fairly quickly when I began to spend time here.

[damntexdem]

7. American Nazi to become Israeli Nazi -- how wonderful.

Working toward the eventual destruction of Israel by supporting its worst elements.

[Ken Burch]

10. uh...fighting back against what...reality?

n/t.

[bemildred]

11. As near as I could figure out, it's fighting back against the Israeli government.

At least that is the way the article mostly presents it. I know, it is incoherent.

[shaayecanaan]

12. Their mothers must be worried sick...

"No Mom, I'm never coming back!" Nevah!

[LeftishBrit]

15. Just wow.

If the Israeli immigration authorities have any sense, they will not allow him to immigrate. No other country would allow people in as immigrants, if they've openly said that they're prepared to defy the laws and government with violence; and despite the Law of Return, I think that Israel *does* have the right to exclude people who are likely to prove a danger to the country.

[Violet_Crumble]

16. Too late. He's already in Israel and I doubt the Israeli authorities care less that he's dangerous..

http://twitter.com/doom77777

After all, this idiot is heading for the West Bank, so the people he's going to be a real danger to are Palestinians...

[bemildred]

20. That was more or less my take.

Open threats and demands for genocide, ethnic cleansing, and civil insurrection. All the way in the red zone, no quibbles, and already armed with military weapons.

[bemildred]

21. For those of you who wonder where I am coming from with this:

Try to figure out about where we are in the process outlined in the following. For the pro-Israeli people, I am quite aware that the problem lies on both sides, the question is: "Is this really how you want this to end up?" Because that sure looks like where it is going. FWIW, it appears to me we are getting into stage five.

I have to leave town for a week, so I must apologize in advance for not being present to respond. I will check and respond to civil argument when I get back.
-- B

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3. DEHUMANIZATION: One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases. Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder. At this stage, hate propaganda in print and on hate radios is used to vilify the victim group. In combating this dehumanization, incitement to genocide should not be confused with protected speech. Genocidal societies lack constitutional protection for countervailing speech, and should be treated differently than democracies. Local and international leaders should condemn the use of hate speech and make it culturally unacceptable. Leaders who incite genocide should be banned from international travel and have their foreign finances frozen. Hate radio stations should be shut down, and hate propaganda banned. Hate crimes and atrocities should be promptly punished.

4. ORGANIZATION: Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility (the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or decentralized (terrorist groups.) Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings. To combat this stage, membership in these militias should be outlawed. Their leaders should be denied visas for foreign travel. The U.N. should impose arms embargoes on governments and citizens of countries involved in genocidal massacres, and create commissions to investigate violations, as was done in post-genocide Rwanda.

5. POLARIZATION: Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Moderates from the perpetrators's own group are most able to stop genocide, so are the first to be arrested and killed. Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups. Assets of extremists may be seized, and visas for international travel denied to them. Coups d'etat by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutgenocide/8stagesofgenocide.html

[pelsar]

22. oh christ....there more of them.....

enough said (excuse my generalization of a whole group)