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Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 02:11 AM by ArabInIsrael
Derfner is always ready to tow the line of whoever attacks Israel.
Perhaps it would be better if posters actually read the report instead of dismissing the criticisms as typical-knee jerk Israel activism.
There are several intellectually things wrong with Derfner's post, but for now I'll just post a couple of them:
The context of the war - the full context - was that we had blockaded Gaza by air, sea and to a great extent by land, we were racking up a kill ratio of nearly 50 to 1 - then we invaded the country, destroyed thousands upon thousands of homes and public buildings and bumped up the ratio to more than 100-to-1.
Yeah, this is pretty much an explanation for every war in history. Not particularly telling. It is rather suspect he would not mention why the blockade was put in place - and it was not like the Berlin Blockade or the British Blockade of Germany during WWI that killed 800,000 Germans.
No, this was a blockade rooted in protecting lives. Israel pulled out of Gaza at a cost of 2.5 billion, uprooted 10,000 Jewish citizen that turned desert into garden, and handed it over to the Palestinians.
Bush demands an election to flex democracy, while Fatah and Israel told the US Hamas will win in a landslide. Palestinians voted Hamas in because Fatah turned out to be a complete utter and moral failure.
And we don't see that we did anything wrong. Somebody's got to tell us. Lots of people have tried, including Amnesty International, the Red Cross, Human Rights Watch and, last but definitely not least, dozens of our own soldiers.
Wrong, many Israel's see something wrong with that, which is why Israel launched probes into its own conflict. Never has Russia, China, the USA, or any of the Arab despots done so much in such a short amount of time to investigate a military's action in war. AI was discredited from the beginning, HRW also discredited, and "dozens" of our own soldiers is not a solid survey. Breaking the Silence was funded by a foreign hostile government whose agenda was to expose crimes. Anonymous soldiers made claims, you know the drill.
Derfner failed to acknowledged a team of soldiers, hundreds, responded to the Breaking the Silence report with a counter-demonstration, which of course was completely ignored by world media.
Regardless, mistakes do occur, some more brutal than others, and no soldier will deny this. IDF is a professional Western military whose sole goal is the protection of Israeli citizens. They don't camp in homes in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, they don't build a wall of children when they fight infantry, and they certainly wear uniforms at all times - unlike the enemy.
There really isn't anything to blockade by air since Gaza does not have an airport, the sea port has been open for commercial shipping but is very restricted. What is laughable is that Derfner fails to include WHO is doing the blockade. Egypt is also blockading the southern end of Gaza and only opens the crossing twice a day, meanwhile Israel is stuck escorting aid into Gaza - over 90% of it - which it has no legal obligation to do. Seems rather silly Derfner would leave such a crucial point that an allied Arab state did less for the Palestinians than the Israelis. A team of Cyprus, Egyptian, and some European ships patrol the waters of boats heading to Gaza. Every month a ship is seized that is loaded with weapons destined for Hamas.
Second, the blockade was perfectly legal in every way. Hamas declared war on Israel, called for it to be replaced with an Islamic Palestine, and actively dismantled every accomplishment in the region to serve the needs of the Hamas collective. Then they started lobbying rockets into Southern Israel, not in response to the blockade - but because they were Jews. This is a war rooted in hate, and hate is a state of mind. Statements like, "The Holocaust is a lie invented by the Zionists" doesn't make one feel very comfortable with such a neighbor.
Gaza was not being starved, even under Hamas the Palestinians received more money per capita than Congo, Darfur, and Somalia combined. That's on top of the 100 million a month Hamas earns from price-fixing goods.
As far as the kill-ratio goes, completely irrelevant. Casualties mean nothing without variables. Israel's narrow goal was to end Hamas rockets. That required destroying Hamas' capacity to launch rockets into Israel. Launchers were located in densely populated areas, and after Israel gave plenty warning of an attack, Hamas made active decisions to put civilians in harms way.
They even admitted it in the Goldstone report which Derfner obviously did not read:
Hamas leader Fathi Hamma is quoted saying:
"For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed humans shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life."
Do you progressives out there express solidarity with such teachings? Also, Goldstone dubiously says this does not demonstrate a systematic Hamas policy. Literally, he says that in his UN report.
Way to be a dupe Goldy.
We've become so numb, so brainwashed, that we really believe that that's all that happened before we started the war, that that's the entire context. We don't see what the rest of the world saw - that those thousands and thousands of rockets on Sderot caused a tiny fraction of the death and destruction we caused in Gaza at the same time.
Oh yes, so brainwashed. Compared to Hamas who believes the Zionists own the World? Yeah, okay Derfner.
The reality is Israel took active precaution to keep civilians safe. It spend hundreds of millions of dollars fortifying homes, building early-warning radars, laser-interceptors designed to eliminate Qassams and Katyusha rockets. Then they build checkpoints, fences, walls to deter suicide bombings and infantry-based attacks.
Does the Palestinian leadership take similar precautions in defending the lives of its citizens? No. It earns over a billion a year simply from weapons dealing and foreign donation, certainly it could spend some money building bomb shelters for Palestinians, fortifying schools, and developing strategies to protect civilians by moving them out of the battle zone.
But no, it does not. Hamas makes deliberate steps to maximize civilian casualties in Gaza because they know people like Derfner will blame Israel exclusively. With the parades, rabbis getting stabbed in Paris, boycotts, protesters....400 civilians is an easy sacrifice. Remember, Hamas is taking orders from Iran, so they same "struggle" and "life is cheap" mentality is institutionalized in Gaza.
though I imagine living thousands of miles away from the nearest warzone makes it pretty easy to assess Israel in such a cruel and partial way. Maybe we should start dumping rockets on the door steps of Derfner's posh apartment in America, see how fast he runs.
Israel, unlike Hamas, took deliberate steps to minimize civilian casualties on both sides, even compromising the tactical advantage of having the capacity to bulldoze Hamas in 6 seconds.
Derfner's reliance on stats is dubious at best, though for the untrained progressive it might be hard to notice. The Iraq War has killed 4,500 American soldiers..opposed to 300,000-1,000,000 Iraqis. Iraq has been laid to waist, destroyed, while the US lives on with its Walmarts and movie theaters.
What does this suggest? Absolutely nothing. American soldiers have ROE, as Israel does, and like the US military Israel makes mistakes - but they do not deliberately target civilians, or promote anti-Hamas terrorist activities within Gaza (which it could easily do), bankroll suicide bombers, or put its own civilians at risk. Or worse, us its weapons against its own civilians - like Hamas does.
Derfner ignores all of these things, he probably read some editorial from the Nation and felt self-important enough to tell the people of Southern Israel how great they have it compared to the terrorist-run Gaza.
Way to tell em' Derfner, fight the Evil Israelis!
Oh, btw, Hamas is still shooting mortars and rockets...so clearly Israel's actions were not disproportionate tactically-speaking.
I suggest Israel do what the rest of the World does in their wars and ignore the UN. And ignore Derfner, he doesn't even deserve a response.
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