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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:37 PM Original message |
Goldstone Report Is a Barrier to Peace |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. West Bank settlement is the barrier to peace. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. My argument wtith that.. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. your argument is that Gaza is still occupied, but it hasn't been for 4 years |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. It also isn't part of an independent state |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Lebanon is an independent state but that didn't stop the demonization after 2006 |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Does Hamas control the borders? No, a foreign army does. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. the Egyptian army? |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. no, coy is not the word.. give me a minute to reconsider |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. that catch-22 is an excellent point by Dershowitz |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. and here's another reason such ludicrous reports are damaging to peace and human rights |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. If Dershowitz singlhandedly destroys the concept of Tikkun olam in his lifetime, I suppose... |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. Alan Dershowitz, wow. That's credibility for you. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
8. What's yr opinion of the report, Oberliner? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I have not read it - have you? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I've read the first 50 pages... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Agreed on all points |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 03:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
60. that doesn't work.... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Are you confident that invading Gaza was the only way to stop the Qassam attacks? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. unfortunately yes... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Thanks for your response |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. and we don't know..... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Regarding the truce |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. thats a major disagreement i have with many here... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I agree with you |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I honestly simply dont know what other possibilities.... |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
13. He supports torturing Muslims. No surprise he is praising the IDF. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:36 AM Response to Original message |
15. Oberliner, you're more or less a dove...why would you EVER quote Dershowitz? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 05:21 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. The Huffington Post is a left-leaning website |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 05:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. So do the most bloodthirsty posters in this forum. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. get informed - read #10 above and the link - then add your 2 cents |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Most Croatian Americans are Democrats... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. They all love the Dersh man |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. No idea what that means |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
52. Who are 'they all'? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
22. There is a amazing quantity of empty drivel being written about Goldstone and his report. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. then stop reading only the headlines and attention grabbing catch-phrases & read the analyses |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I rest my case. nt |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. you had a case? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Well, I was considering how to respond to your "attack", |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. and i thought you were looking for substantive criticism and not personal attacks vs. Goldstone |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I was not looking for anything. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. it's a pretty stupid report - most Israelis see it as one big, sick and twisted joke |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I'm not the one with opinions about what "most Israelis" think, |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Comment on your two links: |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. thanks for debating the substance |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. I am not debating the substance. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. LOL |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
30. Was anybody actually interested in Dershowitz's take on the subject? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. "First, its primary conclusions are entirely false as a matter of demonstrable fact." |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. the primary conclusion is that the IDF was intentionally evil and deliberately targeted civilians |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Is that a direct quote from the report? nt |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 05:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. it's close enough |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. It wasn't a quote from the report n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. it's clearly what the report implies |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #44 |
71. To who? Someone with the comprehension skills of a garden slug? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 05:39 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Goldstone accuses Israel and its IDF of deliberately targetting and punishing the people of Gaza |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. And all of that is true, as we saw in news reports during the Gaza attack |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. The conclusion of the report wasn't that the IDF was intentionally evil... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:35 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. the conclusion of the report is ludicrous - and any objective and informed person would realize that |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Well, the conclusion that you invented is ludicrous, that's for sure... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:59 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. at least it's interesting you don't think the intentional murder of children is evil |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:04 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Great. Now yr inventing what I supposedly do and don't think. n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:25 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. okay, so is the deliberate and intentional murder of children NOT evil? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. You've already invented what you want me to think. Don't bother asking me questions anymore... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yeah, I know that Vi. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. tell me if I'm wrong, but when I read the report's conclusions, it's that Israel didn't go into... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Well, I applaud your decision to read it. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. let me know when you become aware of the report's primary conclusions - okay? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I really don't think you should rely on me for that. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. um, okay |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Yeah, I don't really see why you bother with me. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 06:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
61. About that quote from Richard Kemp |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. you're probably right, Kemp's knowledge of the situation in Gaza is no better than... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. I did not say that Col Kemp got his info about IDF from JPost |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:21 AM Response to Reply #70 |
80. Kemp is an expert on assymetrical warfare, is aware of what Israel did to minimize civilian deaths.. |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
47. I am exactly as interested in Alan Dershowitz's view as I am in what my neighbor's dog thinks |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Thank you for taking the time to post that |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
49. "In case anyone is interested in Alan Dershowitz's take on the subject." |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Why is he regularly featured on The Huffington Post? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Almost any moron can get run in the HuffPo |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Dershbag? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. What real value is there in Dershowitz' opinions? |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:03 AM Response to Original message |
74. Bad lawyering |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 06:12 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. if you're really interested in seeing the Report refuted, there's this... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
79. more Dershowitz: Goldstone Report is an ad-hominem attack |
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