Father: 13-year-old daughter detained for alleged rock throwing

[ProgressiveMuslim]

Hebron – Ma'an – Israeli police released a child Tuesday night, after raiding her home, taking her from her family and holding her in a detention center for five hour, demanding she sign a pledge "not to threaten Israeli security," her father said.

The child, 13-year-old Suhad Al-Ewaiwi, was accused by Israeli soldiers of throwing stones, her father said, noting she was taken first to the police station at the Ibrahimi Mosque, then transferred to a detention center in the Kiyrat Arba settlement in Hebron.

Suhad's father contacted the Palestinian Prisoners Society shortly after his daughter was taken from their home. Lawyer with the society, Muhammad Shahin, said he called Israeli police, who told him settlers accused the girl of throwing stones at them.

The girl told her parents on her release that she had fainted while in the detention center, after more than an hour of questioning by Israeli soldiers about whether or not she had thrown stones. She said she had been forced to sign a paper promising not to throw stones again.

Director of the Hebron Prisoners Society Amjad Najjar condemned the detention, saying it showed the baseness of the Israeli occupation of Palestine.

An Israeli military spokesman said he had no knowledge of the incident.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=271117

[ProgressiveMuslim]

1. Imagine if a 13 year old Jewish Israeli girl were kidnapped from her home and interrogated

for 5 hours....

[Christa]

2. How despicably predictable. nt

[Kolesar]

3. I wonder if the "settlers" have been taunting the Palestinian children...eom

[Scurrilous]

4. Palestinian student: Israel Border Police beat me for hours

<snip>

"A Palestinian who was imprisoned for a week says members of the Border Police beat and abused him for hours, then accused him of attacking one of them.

Omar A'laa al-Din, 25, of the West Bank village Ma'sara, was released from prison two days ago. On Thursday, 10 days after a run-in with the Border Police, bruises are clearly visible on his back and leg. He has trouble walking and sitting, and his eyesight has been impaired from blows to his head, he says.

The IDF Spokesman's Office, for its part, says A'laa al-din tried to attack members of the Border Police during regular inspection work.

A'laa al-din, who studies English and French at Hebron University, was returning by bus from Bethlehem on March 15. At the "container" checkpoint south of Abu Dis, two members of the Border Police boarded the bus. One of them took A'laa al-din's ID card, and seeing he was from Ma'sara, whose residents demonstrate weekly against the separation fence on their land, ordered him off the bus.

One of the Border Policemen struck him on the left leg twice with his truncheon, he says. A'laa al-din fell and his leg started bleeding. Two other Border Policemen dragged him to a small concrete cell where they beat him on the head, back and face after binding his hands with iron cuffs, he says.

They continued beating him and hurling him against the cell walls for hours. Blood poured from his mouth, his vision blurred and he felt dizzy and cold, he says. He received water half an hour after he asked for it, and when he asked again he received a glass with urine in it."

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[Jefferson23]

5. So what the hell did he do? It states the Boarder Police took him

off the bus, seeing he was from Ma'sara, the residents have a demonstration weekly against the separation fence ordered off the bus..so that's the crime?

There is no description of the attack.

[oberliner]

6. Not very good reporting - I agree

More information would certainly be helpful.

[azurnoir]

7. So the settlers word is taken as absolute

or at least good enough to kidnap a child? what a shock and oh the "most moral army in the world" denies all knowledge of the incident

[Dick Dastardly]

9. No other news has reported it n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

10. Are you suggesting it didn't happen?

If not, I'm not sure what point it is yr trying to make.

[Dick Dastardly]

13. Well the poster commented on taking the word of a settler as absolute.

While I would agree with him that it would not be good if that was the case he goes on and doesnt have a problem accepting as absolute something that demonizes Israel. Maan is not the most reliable news agency and no one else has reported this but he has no problem with accepting it as absolute.

[Violet_Crumble]

16. Why do you claim Maan isn't a reliable news source?

I'm pretty sure I recall pro-Israel posters posting news items from Maan here in the past, so why do you say it's not reliable?

[oberliner]

19. I recall pro-Palestinian posters posting news items from Arutz Sheva

Yet they are not always reliable. In fact, they are almost always pretty unreliable.

I've posted articles from Ma'an News, Ha'aretz, the Jewish Telegraph Agency, and The New York Times, to name but a few.

Each of those news sources has been known to publish erroneous information once in a while.

Generally speaking, if there is a second independent news source covering the story, that can often be helpful.

[Violet_Crumble]

20. Huh? Arutz Sheva is extremist settler crap.

But that's got nothing to do with what I was asking the other poster. He claimed that Maan isn't a reliable source and I asked him why he believed so. I didn't ask you to talk about something else...

[oberliner]

37. Exactly

Just because someone posts from a source here doesn't make it reliable.

Ma'an News is sometimes accurate and sometimes inaccurate (just like the other sources I cited).

[Violet_Crumble]

40. Dick claimed Maan is an unreliable source. I'm waiting for him to explain why he thinks that...

Yr not Dick, so I'm not sure why you've taken it upon yrself to try to answer a question I asked someone else. Especially when you refuse to answer other questions I've asked you..

[oberliner]

45. Funny comment!

"so I'm not sure why you've taken it upon yrself to try to answer a question I asked someone else"

[Violet_Crumble]

49. Maybe you could arrange to have yr name changed to Dick Dastardly?

I asked him for his OPINION on something. I didn't ask for yrs*, especially as you refuse to answer questions I actually ask you. If you have any problems comprehending that, I can keep on going into great detail until it sinks in...

[oberliner]

54. It's funny because you sometimes answer questions that I pose for other posters

If one has a question designated exclusively for one individual, why not send a PM to that person? If the question is posted on the public forum I don't see why others ought not to chime in with their opinions on the matter if they are inclined to do so. I would argue that you are indeed a poster who has done just that from time to time.

I would also argue that I do try to answer a fair amount of the questions I am asked by your or others - but there are some I don't wish to answer. I believe you have taken the same approach as well (answering some but not all of the questions asked of you).

In any case, just moments ago, you answered a question I posed for someone else on another thread while we are having this very discussion. I asked for their opinion on something and you answered with yours! Isn't that kind of funny?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=307643&mesg_id=307743

[Violet_Crumble]

55. No, I haven't done what you've been doing at all...

I asked Dick specifically for his opinion about why he'd said something. Most people (clearly not you) would realise that when a person is asked for their opinion of why they've said something, only the person being asked can really answer it). Now, unless yr Dick Dastardly, you don't know why he said what he did, so I'm not interested at all in you pretending you do know. I don't need to send anyone a PM unless I want to talk to them about something private, btw...

You've been abusive and evasive when asked very simple questions that would help in understanding yr viewpoints, but then fire off questions and demand they get answered. That's when I pulled the plug on you, not before.

In any case, I didn't answer any question you asked someone else about why they'd said something. I merely pointed out that both Haniyeh and Nutty have the same stance when it comes to Jerusalem...

On edit: I've kicked my original question for Dick Dastardly as it may have gotten lost in amongst yr posts. As I'm not the slightest bit interested in you pretending you know what he thinks, I'll leave you to yr own devices to do whatever it is you think yr doing and I'll wait for Dick to answer if he's around...

[oberliner]

68. I asked a poster for their opinion about something - you responded with yours

There have been other times when questions have been asked to other posters and you have responded with your opinion on the matter.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with that it all, I just think it's funny that you would raise a protest because I've seen you do exactly that on various threads.

It's not really a big deal and if you want to deny that you have done this I won't argue with you further.

I'm glad I was able to register my opinion on Ma'an News and other sources in the context of your discussion with another poster. That was really all I had wanted to do. I did not mean to prevent or interfere with your attempt to get a response from that other poster.

[ProgressiveMuslim]

75. The NYT is imperfect, yet reliable. I would say the same for Maan. Would you or not? nt

[Violet_Crumble]

56. Kick for Dick Dastardly...

Just thought I'd kick this question for you :)

[Dick Dastardly]

72. I dont care who has used it in the past.

While Maan is not a pure propaganda outlet like some so called news sources and there is much that is generally reliable, it has also been known for some very biased, dubious and inaccurate reporting. As I also stated they were the only ones to report this and even aside from the problems I mentioned if it was some other source that I consider accurate I would still question it if they were the only ones reporting it.

[Violet_Crumble]

73. So you'd say the same thing about Ha'aretz?

That it's not the most reliable news source? Because everything you've said about Maan also applies to other reputable sources like Ha'aretz etc.

Just because a story only appears in one media outlet does not mean it's questionable at all. After all, there's instances of stories that weren't true that were picked up by more than one media outlet, and if we use my local newspaper The Canberra Times as an example, there's many stories in it that don't appear elsewhere and it'd be pretty silly to judge them all as questionable. A story is questionable if there's some legitimate reason to be doubtful of it, but in this case I don't see what that reason is. After all, Israel has a history of this sort of thing with children that get arrested, so it's not like any incredible and out there claims are being made that would make me suspicios...

[ProgressiveMuslim]

76. Hmm... why might there not be many other reporters in Hebron to corroborate?

[Dick Dastardly]

79. While I do put more credibility in Ha'aretz than Maan, Yes, if it was by Ha'aretz

I would feel the same way.
The point was not the differences in media anyway, it was that a poster was critical about someone taking the word of someone as absolute but then they did the same thing they were critical of when it was supportive of their view.
While some start out with more credibility than others no one has absolute credibility and the more corroboration there is the more credible it becomes. I don't give anyone absolute credibility on their own. Not even my Momma.

I take that back, I give my right wing brother absolute credibility that anything he says is full of shit. :evilgrin:



I hope this helps to explain what I meant



BTW on a side note
If you want to have fun with a right wing family member or friend while pointing out how easily they will compromise their beliefs and principles to avoid a little discomfort. I will wrestle my brother into a into a lock and before I release him I will make him say things like "Ronald Reagan sucks", "Reagan and Bush had gay sex in the oval office" or some other statement that is blasphemous to a right winger. Its a lot of fun. For even more fun get a collection of them on video and put them on You Tube. I am working on a compilation to post on You Tube.:evilgrin:

[ProgressiveMuslim]

83. Why does Haaretz have more credibility than Maan?

Any reason other than Maan is run by Paletinians?

[shira]

84. Maan must tow the government line or else risk kidnappings and worse, that's why.

Palestinian journalists increasingly targeted
http://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=60213

"Palestinian journalists are living under very bad conditions," commented the independent Palestinian Maan news agency. "They are being beaten and their equipment is being destroyed. They are receiving death threats and some have been kidnapped."

Demonisation of Israel is always okay and state sanctioned by the PA and Hamas, however, anything that embarasses either Hamas or the PA carries a heavy price.

The Western Press in Gaza and the W.Bank know this all too well and play by the same rules.....or else. Which pretty much leads to one-dimensional "criticism" in that region. :eyes:

[azurnoir]

11. And n/t

[ProgressiveMuslim]

8. This isn't for suspicion of a terror plot but of THROWING STONES!!!! A 13 year old girl!

Torn out of her home? Girls in Palestine are pretty sheltered! I can only imagine the trauma, the horror that kid endured.

OVER STONES???!~!!!! Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME???

[Dick Dastardly]

12. When I was 14 I was busted for throwing snowballs at cop cars.

They took me down to the station and interogated me for a couple hours until they realized I was not going to narc on my other friends and they could not really pin it on me. . I was released to my parents after about 4 or 5 hours. My Dad on the other hand didnt need a confession to know I was guilty and gave me an ass whoopin. He almost made me go to the cops and confess because he didnt want me to think I was too slick to get caught, but he decided not to.

[azurnoir]

36. Were you dragged from your parents home

in the middle of the night, because someone claimed they saw you with a snowball or were you caught in the act?

[Dick Dastardly]

80. No I was not dragged from my parents home in the middle of the night and neither was she.

The article does not claim she was dragged away in the middle of the night, why do you make such things up.
The article said she was released Tuesday night after 5 hours which means she was obviously arrested in the afternoon sometime.


I have been caught in the act for other things but this time I was picked up in my yard and arrested and my friend had ran inside his house and was arrested there. We were on our way home after school when we started to practice pitching our fastballs. We had full face hat masks on and knew the neighborhood escape routes to evade cops or anyone else. We loved getting chased. After we pitched a volley of strikes on the cop and he gave chase to us, we made our escape. We all split off at some point to make our way home. I got home ran into the garage and changed my coat and hat and started shoveling the walk. My friend who also was arrested lived a few houses down around the corner. My other friends who got away lived a few blocks away. Someone in our neigborhood saw us running through back yards and told the cops who we were which is why they knew where we were but not our other friends.

Just like her we were identified by someone else as suspects. Just like her we were arrested in the afternoon at our home/yard as suspects. Just like her my friend had a parent home at the time. Unlike her my parents were not home when I was arrested. Just like her we were held questioned and put in detention cells. Just like her no charges were filed and we were released in the evening after being held for about 4-5 hours. Unlike her we know my friend and I were guilty as hell. Unlike her my dad knew I was guilty and gave me an ass whoopin. Unlike her we know I enjoyed doing this and would commit this and other acts again. Unlike her we know for sure that my friends and I were idiots.



Throwing rocks can kill or severely injure someone, it should be investigated. Its even more serious than throwing snowballs. They questioned her and let her go. I dont see anything that was done wrong in her case. Its nothing that would not be done in just about any country. Can you honestly say that you would not want rock throwing investigated in your neighborhood.



Here are others arrested for throwing snowballs


Children throwing snowballs in public could be arrested or fined
Children who throw snowballs in public places could be arrested or fined under measures to cut down on anti-social behaviour.

Police have vowed to crack down on youngsters caught "acting irresponsibly' following the worst snowfall to hit the UK in 18 years.

Those found throwing snowballs in such a way have been warned they face arrest, a fine, or both.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/4447058/Children-throwing-snowballs-in-public-could-be-arrested-or-fined.html


Snowball Gets 4 Teens Arrested
Four Bronx teens are facing a year behind bars after nailing a cop in the leg with a snowball. Their crime? Weapons possession, attempted assault, menacing and harassment.
http://gothamist.com/2010/03/10/snowball.php




Men sue over snowball arrest

NEW YORK, March 10 (UPI) -- Four young New York men charged with criminal possession of a weapon are suing police for false arrest following an incident that started with a snowball.

Johnathan Rodriguez, 22, Manuel Rondon, 18, Christian Perez, 19, and Ariel Lopez, 17, said they were playing in the snow during a February storm when a snowball got away from them and struck a man in the leg, the New York Daily News reported Wednesday.

The young men said the man, who they claim did not identify himself as off-duty transit Officer Adonis Ramirez, pulled out his gun and aimed at it at them.
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2010/03/10/Men-sue-over-snowball-arrest/UPI-72071268259784/


North Carolina Campus Police Arrest Student During Snowball Fight
GREENVILLE, N.C. — Campus police at East Carolina University said they made one arrest and used pepper spray on some students as officers tried to control a huge snowball fight on campus.

Police were called to a dormitory three times as more than 200 students pelted each other with snowballs as a rare snowstorm dropped several inches of snow in eastern North Carolina on Tuesday, The Daily Reflector of Greenville reported Thursday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481888,00.html

[ProgressiveMuslim]

44. Thus started your life of crime? Thanks for sharing!

[Dick Dastardly]

81. It was the fault of the Palestinian kid we hung out with,

he was a bad influence on us. He liked to throw things and got us to do it.:rofl: :evilgrin:

He and the Jewish kid who lived across the street would throw things at each other all day long sometimes.:rofl: :evilgrin:

[proteus_lives]

14. So you approve of people throwing fist-sized rocks at other people?

Just checking.

[Violet_Crumble]

17. So you approve of children being sent to detention centres and their families homes being raided?

Just checking.

[proteus_lives]

18. You're treating it like it's happening in a normal situation.

Read about the I/P conflict and other similar situations. Children often fight soldiers and soldiers defend themselves.

So you approve of soldiers having fist-sized rocks thrown at them?

[Violet_Crumble]

21. No, I wasn't, but thanks for playing...

Damn. That girl should have just been shot! She should consider herself lucky!

[Dick Dastardly]

22. So you think I should have been shot too for throwing snowballs at the pigs.

Advocating children suspected of throwing objects that can cause harm should just be shot after the fact rather than go to the police station and questioned is pretty extreme.

[Violet_Crumble]

23. Obviously not. But that other poster has justified the shooting of Palestinian children before...

Sorry, I should have put the sarcasm tags on what I said...

Also, the Palestinian girl wasn't just taken to a police station and questioned (I'm guessing yr parents must have been with you when you were quetioned). She was moved to a detention centre and her family home was raided...

on edit: just in case you missed my other question in this thread, I was wondering why you don't think Maan is a reliable source.

[proteus_lives]

27. When have I justified the shooting of Palestinian children before?

This should be hilarious.

[Violet_Crumble]

29. In the thread about the boy in Hebron only recently...

The thread itself was removed, but you were in there defending him being shot...

[proteus_lives]

30. You're going to have to refresh or provide a link.

What was the boy doing?

[Violet_Crumble]

31. I already told you the thread was vanished so why ask for a link?

You justified him being shot, and it's not my problem that you can't remember as far back as only a week or so ago what was going on...

[proteus_lives]

33. So you accuse me of supporting the death of Palestinian children..

At first it was children "plural" then that "a boy in Hebron".

And conveniently you don't have to produce any evidence. Huh. Weird how I don't remember a thread about a boy in Hebron. Or was it children?

But hey, smear me. It's your tactic.

[Violet_Crumble]

35. You justified the shooting of a Palestinian boy last week...

If you don't want to have it mentioned that you did that, then in future be more careful about what you say when you post...

[proteus_lives]

38. I own anything and everything I say.

You do the same.

I hope other posters chime in on this.

Scream it to the heavens. I don't remember it and if it existed, you're inflating it. (That's a trend with you.)

[Violet_Crumble]

41. That must be difficult given yr short attention span n/t

[proteus_lives]

47. If I had a short attention span, I would have ignored you a long time ago.

Aegis refreshed me about the thread you were talking about. It was by that bigot Trippman. And I was saying the exact same thing I am on this thread. Trying to get people explain why it's ok for Palestinians to throw stones at soldiers and it's not ok for the soldiers to defend themselves.

[Violet_Crumble]

51. Putting someone on ignore doesn't require a short attention span...

Also, it's against the rules to call other posters bigots. Tripmann is NOT a bigot, btw. You were justifying the shooting of a Palestinian teenager in the other thread....

No-one in this thread has said it's okay for Palestinians to throw stones at soldiers...

[proteus_lives]

57. I wasn't just talking about the Palestinian teenager.

I was trying to do what I'm doing here. Trying to make the ardent anti-Israel types realize that the situation wasn't black and white.

And I call other posters as they act.

[Violet_Crumble]

59. Yeah, I know. You've been flinging round insults and abuse as well..

And yr still continuing to do so. I see that now yr trying to label me and others who disagree with you as an 'ardent anti-Israel type'. Pity that's not the case at all...

And Tripmann is most definately not an antisemitic type. You really need to stop throwing round such ugly and untrue accusations at people you disagree with...

[proteus_lives]

64. Pity, it's how you come across.

I'm not throwing anything around.

You guys are doing a fine job of that yourselves.

[Violet_Crumble]

65. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them anti-Israel or antisemitic...

You really do get incredibly nasty when you disagree with people in this forum. Why is it that you think the DU rules don't apply to you?

[Tripmann]

52. Actually, proteus_lives you DID attempt to justify the killing of a kid by an

Israeli rubber bullet by claiming the soldier was entitled to defend himself from attack. I was posting in that thread.

The thread was removed while I was at work. I assumed because of the inexcusable filth you were posting to excuse the execuion of a child.

[Violet_Crumble]

53. Careful or he'll call you a bigot again!

;)

I hadn't seen a more open and honest support for the shooting of a kid since a poster called Muddle Of The Road was here. I also noticed the thread got removed silently and couldn't understand why it was vanished the way it was.

[proteus_lives]

63. Personal attacks against those who don't tow the party line.

That's why it was removed.

Sorry but a lot of DUers aren't as narrow as you or trippman.

[Violet_Crumble]

69. There were no personal attacks in that thread.

And apart from you flailing around launching idiotic personal attacks on people who disagree with you, there's none now....

[proteus_lives]

62. No, it was the personal attacks against those didn't agree.

And I remember asking you to justify why people were allowed to attack Israeli soldiers. You never answered.

What you call "inexcusable filth" I call disagreement. It's something adults occasionally do.

[Tripmann]

71. I'm sure some 'adults' would try to excuse a soldier shooting a child

in the head in a non lethal situation. We just don't see a lot of them on THIS board peddling that inexcusable filth.

By the way, do you reckon the brave member of the worlds most moral army was wearing full roit gear or just kevlar helmet and vest at the time he chose to shoot a child in the head?


(By the way, if I was a mod, I'd have removed that thread as well, lest it tarnish DU)

[Dick Dastardly]

82. No Problem,,,,,Its hard to tell sometimes with all the over the top hyperbole

for something that would be routine in most countries.

What happened to her is similar as what happened to me. The biggest difference is the words used to describe it like substituting raid for arrest.
BTW Her home was not raided after she was taken to a detention center as you say. Even the article does not state that.

As I said, my parents were not there.
You can call the cops coming to my friends and my home to arrest me a raid too.
I was moved to a detention cell too

[proteus_lives]

24. I think they handled it well.

I doubt she'll throw stones at armed men again.

I don't why you think she should be shot.

[Violet_Crumble]

25. So sending a child to a detention centre and raiding her family home is handling it well?

Even though the comment about shooting her was sarcastic, the mind boggles at what you consider to be a proportionate response to things when Palestinians do them...

[proteus_lives]

26. Because children plant explosives.

Children who are willing to throw stones will be recruited for more work.

Because maybe a Israeli soldier won't lose an eye or get his brains scrambled and his squad-mates won't fire into the crowd.

It was handled well given the the reality of the situation.

[Violet_Crumble]

28. That makes no sense at all. By that reasoning all children should be arrested..

The reality of the situation is that Israel is illegally occupying that territory and those soldiers shouldn't be there. Those soldiers are well armed and protected, and I bet you can't find a single example of a soldier losing an eye or getting his brains scrambled because it doesn't happen.

Here's some reality for you. That girl is a child and as such should not be treated as an adult. She should not have been taken to a detention centre, and she should not have been questioned or interrogated without her parents or another adult being present. Her home should not have been raided...

[proteus_lives]

32. What was that about "never happening"?

Soldiers Injured by Bilin Stone-Throwers
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=33&x_article=1758


"Since the start of the year, dozens of members of the security forces were injured in protests near the fence by Bil'in, and in one particularly violent rally one soldier even lost his eye."
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L‑3246894,00.html

Israeli Soldiers Hurt By Stones of Protesters
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/03/15/world/2-israeli-soldiers-hurt-by-stones-of-protesters.html

Two Israelis injured by Palestinian stone-throwing
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3665820,00.html


I win that bet.

Here's some reality for you. She lives in the middle of the conflict, she threw stones at soldiers, what should have happened?

Given the injuries that she could inflict, how should the soldiers respond to her?

[Violet_Crumble]

34. Bullshit. There's no lost eyes or scrambled brains..

In fact, one of the articles from a reputable source (CAMERA sure isn't) wasn't about soldiers at all. Though it doesn't surprise me that you'd be so concerned for the welfare of well armed soldiers of an occupying force that you'd have a catalogue of any scratch they get. Yet you can't even remember the details of a death of a Palestinian boy only a week ago. Easy to see where yr interests lie...

Here's some more reality for you. It doesn't matter where any child lives. They all should have the same sorts of rights and no democratic country should treat them as adults the way Israel did to her...

[proteus_lives]

39. Of course, when Israelis are injured, it's bullshit.

CAMERA isn't a reputable source? What would prefer? ElectronicInfidata? :eyes:

Again with the thread that might not exist. You're very transparent.

So, you're saying she should be allowed to throw stones at soldiers? What soldiers on Earth would allow themselves to be attacked?

And you're still refusing to even recognize the situation. You cling to black/white views.

[Violet_Crumble]

42. If you say so, but I happen to disagree...

Sorry, but CAMERA isn't a reliable source. It's an incredibly biased and partisan site...

Now, you weren't able to show any instances of soldiers losing eyes or having brains scrambled. Plus you appear intent on ignoring that Palestinian children should have the same rights as all other children...

To answer yr questions:

So, you're saying she should be allowed to throw stones at soldiers?

No (btw, who said she was throwing rocks at soldiers?)

What soldiers on Earth would allow themselves to be attacked?

Why don't you tell me?

[proteus_lives]

48. And you didn't follow the links.

Not my problem.

Should they have the same rights as other children? Yes, I imagine other children would get in trouble for throwing stones too. You can ignore the reality of the situation all you want. Too bad.

"btw, who said she was throwing rocks at soldiers?)"

The OP and the Israeli authorities.

"What soldiers on Earth would allow themselves to be attacked?"

No, this is a question for you. I think you should try and find out what soldiers would allow themselves to be attacked.

[Violet_Crumble]

50. Well, yes I did.

Yr argument is one where Palestinian children are not being given the same rights as other children...

The OP didn't say she was throwing rocks, btw. The OP says a settler claimed she'd been throwing rocks...

btw, you've still got to come up with some examples of Israeli soldiers losing eyes or having their brains scrambled by Palestinian rock throwers. None of those links (one of them wasn't even to an incident involving soldiers) were about that at all.

[proteus_lives]

58. Once again:

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L‑3246894,00.html

"Since the start of the year, dozens of members of the security forces were injured in protests near the fence by Bil'in, and in one particularly violent rally one soldier even lost his eye."

[Violet_Crumble]

60. That link doesn't work. Did some lurker send you those links?

It's just that I always check links I provide, and always open them myself when I'm copying and pasting from them....

[proteus_lives]

61. No, google provided the link.

Check ytnews archive.

[Violet_Crumble]

66. You must have clicked on the link to do the copy and paste...

So seeing as how the link is broken, how did you manage to do that? And why would you intentionally post a broken link?

[oberliner]

67. Working link

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3246894,00.html

[Violet_Crumble]

70. I wonder how Proteus managed to copy and paste stuff from a link that didn't work.. n/t

[Shaktimaan]

74. I know some soldiers who have lost teeth. np

[ProgressiveMuslim]

77. We all know what drives Proteus' opinion. She's an Arab dog. A subhuman.

"They" are capable of anything, ergo, any action to deter "them" is fully justified.

They aren't fully human like Americans and Israelis after all!

Proteus may or may not deny this, but we all know that's the thinking that drives his justification of this OUTRAGEOUS behavior.

Human beings don't deserve this behavior.
Sub-human beings do.

[ProgressiveMuslim]

43. Is there any horrific act Israel commits that you don't justify?

Using your logic, I guess Gilad Shalit learned his lesson!

[proteus_lives]

46. That's funny coming from you.

There are plenty of Israel's actions I don't agree with.

But you speaking against Palestinian violence or even commenting on it? That would be a first.

[ProgressiveMuslim]

78. Someday, when someone you love is in great danger, and you are able to do

nothing about it, and you fear like you've never feared anything in your life, I hope you remember this story and the compassion you demonstrated.

[Ken Burch]

85. IT's not that simple.

And compared to carpet-bombing, rock-throwing is trivial. The soldiers are in helmets and body armor anyway.

[Jefferson23]

15. After Israel waged OCL, for them to demand a young teen to sign

a pledge, "not to threaten Israeli security" surpasses arrogance. Too bad she couldn't demand a pledge from Israel first.