Obama's anti-Israeli hysteria dangerous and destructive

[Violet_Crumble]

BARACK Obama's anti-Israel jihad is one of the most irresponsible policy lurches by any modern American president. It rightly earns Obama the epithet of the US president least sympathetic to Israel in Israel's history. Jimmy Carter became a great hater of Israel, but only after he left office.

Obama's dangerous new lurch into anti-Israel populism changes global politics in extremely dangerous ways, and poses a challenge for Kevin Rudd.

Perhaps Obama's most distinctive contribution to the foreign policy debate in the lead-up to the US presidential election was his avowed determination to talk to and engage the US's enemies if he became president. He was happy in principle to talk to Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but did not know for sure that the Iranian president wielded real power. But he sent all manner of felicitations and greetings to Iran and its government. When that government stole an election on Ahmadinejad's behalf and viciously brutalised its citizens, Obama refrained from speaking too much or too forcefully, as, he said, he didn't want to be seen to be interfering in Iranian internal affairs.


When Obama met the king of Saudi Arabia, a nation in which no one votes, women are subject to severe and demeaning restrictions and it is against the law to have a Christian church, Obama bowed in deep respect.

When Obama ran into Venezuela's murderous despot, Hugo Chavez, at a summit, there was a friendly greeting observed by all.

But there is one leader whom Obama draws the line at. He will not be seen in public with Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. Astonishingly, when Netanyahu saw Obama at the White House this week, all photographers and all TV cameras were banned, a level of humiliation almost completely unique in modern White House practice.

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Yet Israel, our close friend, is alleged to misuse a passport and then gets the very big diplomatic penalty of having a diplomat expelled. It would be disproportionate and foolish and cowardly.

The Americans and Brits don't always get things right. There are times when Canberra should definitely not follow their lead.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/obamas-anti-israeli-hysteria-dangerous-and-destructive/story-e6frg6zo-1225846153221

According to The Australian, Greg Sheridan is Australia's most influential foreign affairs analyst. LOL!

[DFLforever]

1. Jihad?

Who is the hysteric?

[regnaD kciN]

2. Sounds like he's had a few too many Fosters, mate...

Besides, is "The Australian" another Murdoch rag?

(BTW, if I were you, I'd have put that subject in quotes, lest it seem that the opinion expressed is your own.)

[Violet_Crumble]

5. Of course The Australian is a Murdoch rag...

It's sure not hard to spot, what with all the attacks on the Rudd government and Labor voters. I did enjoy how in that anti-Obama tirade he flailed around and in between all that vitriol didn't even get in any rational reason why it's dangerouns etc for either the Obama administration to express its displeasure or for the Australian govt to expel an Israeli diplomat if that's what ends up happening. It'd be interesting to go back and track down Sheridan's support of Australia expelling all Iraqi diplomats on the orders of the US prior to the invasion of Iraq. He along with fellow gutter-filth Andrew Bolt (famous this week for blaming the death of an innocent family after a career crim stole a car and ploughed into them on Labor voters and divorce) both were cheer-leaders for the invasion of Iraq...

btw, thanks for the heads-up, though everyone in this forum knows me well enough to know that's not my opinion and that I sometimes post articles I very strongly disagree with. otoh, I have seen one or two regulars in this forum claim that Obama is 'anti-Israel' on other forums they frequent. They're just too gutless to be honest and say what they think here...

[Chulanowa]

3. Carter hates Israel?

Chavez is a murderer?
No media coverage is a "humiliation"?

Greg Sheridan is Australia's most influential foreign affairs analyst? Well holy shit, no wonder nobody asks for Australia's opinion on foreign affairs.

[Violet_Crumble]

10. He used to slobber adoringly over Bush and Cheney...

The guy is seriously deluded, which is where that self-promotion of calling himself 'Australia's most influential foreign affairs analyst' comes from...

[Chulanowa]

12. So he's like an Aussie Michael Savage?

Except literate?

[Violet_Crumble]

13. I had to go google Michael Savage to see who he was...

..but it sounds like they're similar creatures...

[Jim Sagle]

4. Fuckin' A.

:headbang:

[Violet_Crumble]

6. So you agree with Sheridan that Obama's anti-Israel and carrying out a jihad?

Oh-kay...

[Jim Sagle]

18. Oh, come on. You pretend distaste, but your inner Zionist is coming out.

Be not afraid. :donut:

[Chulanowa]

21. Sounds like a potential side effect from a powerful laxative

[Violet_Crumble]

23. Anyone who thinks Obama is an anti-Israel jihadist is a complete fucking moron

You need to go and read that article and then come back and explain why you agree with what Greg Sheridan says about Obama...

[Name removed]

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[Jim Sagle]

39. Invective becomes you. In fact it already has.

[Violet_Crumble]

45. But yr the one embracing the mindless invective of Greg Sheridan...

So, feel free to explain to people here at DU why you reacted positively to what Greg Sheridan said about Obama. If anyone else here agrees with you and Mr Sheridan, they're staying very silent, and I for one find it interesting that views such as yrs about Obama are welcome at DU...

[Jim Sagle]

49. The mindless invective typically on display in this folder makes Sheridan seem like a rocket

scientist by comparison.

Maybe I'm used to Democratic presidents who were on the other side of this issue; Truman, Johnson, Clinton. Maybe Obama should get reacquainted with them.

[Violet_Crumble]

50. You and Greg Sheridan deserve each other...

Ugly, not very intelligent, and full of hate for anything and anyone who wants a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

btw, someone pointed me to a post of yrs on another forum where you claim you'll be voting Republican if that's what's needed. I thought people who show sympathy to or want to vote Republican aren't welcome at DU....

[Jim Sagle]

51. I did it before in response to the odious Jimmy Carter.

I want to be a Dem. But it's damn well not unconditional love.

[Violet_Crumble]

52. The only odious people are those who vote for Republicans..

People who refuse to vote for conservatives under any circumstances don't have as you falsely claim an unconditional love for the party they usually vote for. If they're unhappy with the party, they have the option of not voting at all, but to vote for the Republicans is the act of a complete fool.

So, if yr capable of stringing a few words together into a coherent sentence, why is it that you agree with the OP's claim that Obama is anti-Israel and carrying out a Jihad? What position is Obama taking on the I/P conflict that's upset you so much that you say you'll vote Republican?

[Jim Sagle]

54. The only fool here is you.

[Violet_Crumble]

55. I'm a fool because I don't ever vote for conservatives? Okay...

That makes all but a few DUers fools then.

[Chulanowa]

7. Does the A stand for "absurd"?

[Violet_Crumble]

8. Or "Arsehole"? n/t

[d_b]

11. Double Fuckin'

A

A

:toast:

[azurnoir]

14. So you too believe Obama is a jihadi

is he a Muslim too must be huh,
have you asked for his birth certificate yet?

[d_b]

19. Never assume, my dear child.

[azurnoir]

30. I was not assuming

I was answering your comment

[d_b]

32. oh yeah you were

I'll let it go though

[azurnoir]

33. I'm so relieved

care to explain why you agree with JS and apparently the article?

[d_b]

34. I don't

that was your assumption.

[azurnoir]

35. denial not just a river in Egypt n/t

[d_b]

36. come on

you can do better than that.

[azurnoir]

37. it's not up to me

your the one who will not state their own opinion as to why they do or perhaps do not agree with the article it is up to you or not your initial comment agreeing with JS speaks volumes, if that is inaccurate then state why

[d_b]

38. :faceplam:

Ok maybe not

[azurnoir]

40. yes face "plam" indeed

but I do understand your reluctance to enlarge upon your stance

[d_b]

41. V_C caught it

but you didn't

[azurnoir]

42. No VC made an unaswered comment

I saw that one minutes after I made my first one if that was case why not just say so?

[d_b]

43. and miss out on all this fun?

please.

[azurnoir]

44. well it was fun for me

I would think rather embarrassing for you though and really other than a weak answer you have not really explained but I can accept that as I stated earlier

[d_b]

46. you took the bait

<3

try harder, you're boring the shit out of me.

[azurnoir]

47. LOL still trying to wriggle n/t

[d_b]

48. That was better

I'll give you that.

[Violet_Crumble]

15. You really need to read that article properly and see what's being said about Obama...

If after reading it you still agree with what he said about Obama, could you post and tell us why you agree?

on edit: My apologies if you were being sarcastic and having a dig at Jimbo's response, which is what I suspect you were doing...

[Turbineguy]

9. Jozef Goebels still lives!

Sheridan left out: "...imperialist running dog...."

[upi402]

16. WTF?

Bush held hands and sniffed flowers with; "the king of Saudi Arabia, a nation in which no one votes, women are subject to severe and demeaning restrictions and it is against the law to have a Christian church"...

[Chulanowa]

17. They're kissing buddies, too

Though George never looked really into it. I think he's just a golddigger.

[polly7]

22. Don't forget the beheadings. n/t,

[LeftishBrit]

27. I was thinking the same thing!

Bush has been much friendlier with the Saudi Royal Family, or should I say Oil Family, than Obama has.

[upi402]

28. 'oyal family

heh heh :rofl:

[aquart]

20. Oh, ridiculous.

We can't broker negotiations until we are seen as an honest broker. You don't get that image with a rubber stamp.

Interesting that Obama's popularity IN ISRAEL went up after all this stuff.

PS: That "misuse a passport" is so disingenuous it's humorous.

Lotta grownups in Israel. When they screw up, they can take it. They are totally entitled to heavy heat over those passports.

[Jefferson23]

24. He enjoys singing to his choir, I guess that rant of lies made him feel

he is helping to keep Israel safe....idiot.

[IndianaGreen]

25. This is nothing more than rightwing hit piece by a fascist author

All of the code words are there, the same words we read in our rightwing and corporatist press.

[LeftishBrit]

26. Here is a link to an earlier article by Greg Sheridan

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/a-great-president-for-these-terrible-times/story-e6frg6v6-1111112208118

It is entitled 'A great president for these terrible times' and includes such gems as:


'One of the many failures of the feckless Clinton administration was its inability to take terrorism seriously. Despite the 1993 terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre, which could so easily have done what 9/11 did, Clinton oversaw extensive reductions in US intelligence in the mid-'90s.

The Clinton administration saw terrorism as a law and order problem and prevented even those few officials who recognised its gravity from taking effective action.

Bush's central insight was to understand, from 9/11, that the terrorists are at war with civilisation, that there is a specific enemy, the ideology of fundamentalist, extremist Islamism represented by al-Qa'ida. Because this terrorist movement is large and has some measure of support from elements of some state apparatuses, and is clever about making alliances, and because it has no moral scruple or restraint and seeks to acquire and use nuclear weapons, it represents a fundamental threat, as great as that of the Soviet Union, though different in character.

One of Bush's key decisions, and this was truly the insight of the much derided neo-conservatives, was that the status quo ante in the Middle East did not produce stability but produced growing terrorism. I believe Bush was right to take action against Iraq and Australia was right to join this action, in part because everyone believed that Iraq possessed WMDs, but also because Saddam was the most prolific state murderer of the second half of the 20th century and threatened his neighbours. He also supported much international terrorism and rejoiced in the al-Qa'ida attacks of 9/11. The danger of his co-operating in WMDs with terrorists was great.'


So he is obviously a supporter of the American Right, and their evil war, and would be against Obama on just about anything.

[breakaleg]

31. hysteria, Jimmy carter as hater of Israel and the term "Chicago mafia" . who can take this

seriously?

[Christa]

53. Who is this idiot

and why is he getting any press?