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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 03:56 PM Original message |
Turkey, the flotilla and Israel: UN report deserves calm reading |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. A lot of great info in this article |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. What info do you find great in this article? The report is garbage. See here... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Here are a few interesting points |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Just wondering why you don't include anything critical of Israel... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Did you have trouble finding anything critical of Israel in the article? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Please answer the question I asked you, Oberliner n/t |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Sure |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Thanks for answering... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Now I understand, thanks. I just don't have patience for anything the bigoted UNHRC... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. the bigoted UNHRC ? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yeah, bigoted b/c it's majority ruled by corrupt, murderous tyrannies like Libya, China, Cuba |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Cifwatch again? LOL!. More right wing israeli propaganda for us to laugh at. Cheers |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. LOL....that article is written by an Israeli Liberal who always votes Meretz. Good try deflecting. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. The report shows you have been excusing a state sponsored execution of an american kid. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. The UN report is crap to nearly all Israel's Liberals. n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. So the coroner is an anti-semite?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Where did I imply that? Do you trust all info coming out of Turkey? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I trust when a kid whos been shot is fired at point blank while he's on the ground in the face that |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. So you trust what's coming out of Turkey. If Dogan was executed at close range... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Deleted message |
shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Why do you trust Turkey's account? Any reason? I already said if Dogan was executed... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Why should I trusrt the account of the guys pulling the trigger when they're not allowed to testify |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Video evidence shows Turkey and many Marmara "eyewitnesses" lied. Of course, no amount of evidence |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Oh yes ,the minute of footage from the hour long op supplied by the guys pulling the trigger |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. The UN, Turkey, and Marmara activists have lied repeatedly...are you denying that? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 04:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Why use DU to defend a right wing governments killing of an american child? Its just sick. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. You're condemning the IDF based on testimony from untrusty, dubious sources. Why? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 06:32 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Are you claiming the autopsy report is a lie? |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
64. So you admit the possibility of a crime being committed |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. yes you are correct that the UNHRC has many "questionable" 3rd world countries |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. The number of UNHRC member states that are not free or only partially free totally outnumber free |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. It is always a stirring sight when you defend human rights of non-Palestinians. nt |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I'd faint if you ever defended Palestinian human rights in Lebanon, Jordan, Gaza.... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Direct hit! |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Many countries withhold all or some Human Rights rom their citizens |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. The USA is a free country and only free countries should vote on universal human rights... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. The USA is a decadent empire. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Do you believe a UNHRC dominated by tyrannies like China,Libya can be trusted to make legit rulings |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. UNHRC is not a court, it does not make "rulings". |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. They do more harm than good ignoring the vast majority of horrendous abuses in their own countries. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. They still don't make rulings. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 12:59 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Some have presented it otherwise |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 05:22 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I only spotted a few like that. Surely people don't believe things just coz a headline says so? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. That is not my problem. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I agree with you |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. But the UNHRC isn't really pro-Palestinian as much as they are anti-Israel |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Also, consider that the UNHRC recently praised Sri Lanka for killing 20,000 civilians. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Was that a "ruling", or what? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 07:50 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Sri Lanka: UN Rights Council Fails Victims |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 08:02 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. So it was a "resolution" then? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I guess so |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Isn't that what I said? nt |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Not disagreeing with you |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Are there any third world countries that meet your standards? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Free nations get to vote on the UNHRC, otherwise it's a farce. As to the article... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. the fact is I have not bothered to refute anything |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
65. I am amazed |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Dream became a nightmare |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. That's all you have to defend deliberate murder in international waters? |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Go to the UN page and check the facts Shira |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:21 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Good catch, but the UN is still very bigoted and dominated by freeper nations that make a farce... |
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issy98 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Yet some do |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. They can't ever admit the UNHRC is bigoted. They adore how the UN treats Israel. n/t |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
48. Just curious, but have you read the report that was in the OP? |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Many of the answers we all sought are in this... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. What answers were 'we' seeking? And what questions remain? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. it is worth a read and not as lengthy as the Goldstone report |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 02:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. This report is probably the best we can get that has... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 02:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. IMO the flotilla was both humanitarian and political |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Obvious that we will not reach any sort of concensus... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
50. I think the primary motivation was to break the blockade... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
19. There is another UN report that I believe is still yet to be released |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
49. No, I haven't heard anything about it yet either... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Did find this |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 05:06 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I couldn't get to the article... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 05:46 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. this is from the article the last 5 paragraphs |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
77. Kick - Have you done the reading yet? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Yes. Have you? n/t |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 04:34 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Anything jump out at you? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 04:56 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. You should read the report oberliner. Its well balanced in its criticism of all involved in the |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 05:41 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. It's on my to-do list |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 06:06 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. So where did you get this list from if you haven't read it yet? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 07:21 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. From the article you posted |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. You probably shouldn't talk about the contents of a report that you hadn't even read... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Did Hugh Pope misrepresent the content of the report in the OP you posted? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. That's not the point. You should really read the report before commenting on it... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. I haven't commented on the report - I commented on the article you posted |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. So, have you bothered reading the report yet? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 06:21 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. The side that refuses to cooperate cannot credibly have a problem with this report |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 07:22 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. They can if they feel the UNHRC is biased |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Yep, the team for the investigation that has no remit to apportion blame |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 06:01 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Yes. I suggest you read it n/t |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 06:04 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. But you haven't posted anything about it |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 06:05 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I have n/t |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 07:19 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Thanks for the link |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Glad to be of assistance! |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. And yet still no link - how is that being of assistance? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I was responding to yr thanks... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
99. Turkish journalist/author interviewed by Israeli TV, contradicts UN eyewitness Marmara testimony |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:17 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. the same link was posted on Kos about 10 days ago |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. The terrorism information centre israeli think tank??? LOL! Another fair and balanced source |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:36 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. The Turkish journalist/author wrote a book which disputes UN findings against Israel. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. And you should try use more credible sources of information than blatant propaganda sites. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:44 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Here's the FreeGazaMovement on how they're anti-humanitarian and pro-war... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Well you believe dropping bombs on innocent women and children is acceptable. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:56 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. That's an absolute lie. So do you condemn the Free Gaza Movement now? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:57 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. So, now you consider israel droping bombs on innocent women and children during OCL unacceptable? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:04 AM Response to Reply #110 |
112. You believe if the IDF goes after military targets and Hamas puts human shields there.... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. One palestinian?? OCL killed hundreds of innocent women & children. You refuse to condemn this. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:21 AM Response to Reply #115 |
118. Answer the question. Hamas fires away at innocents, Israel reacts, Hamas deliberately hides behind |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:23 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. I'll wait until you respond. If you evade these questions again, don't expect a response. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. So,suicide bomber kills kids=unacceptable,fighter bomber kills kids=acceptable. Cheers. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. That's so fucked up. Equating legal self-defense with indiscriminate murder. Here's why you do it. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. So now its human shields=unacceptable, dropping bombs on human shields=acceptable. As long as its |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #123 |
126. No, unlike you I don't think Israelis should take Hamas rockets and die. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. So you find the 'response' which killed hundreds of innocent women & children acceptable.Fair enough |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Still waiting for you to apportion blame to Hamas for human shielding and denounce FGM warmongers. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. The link shows this guy on Israeli TV clearly contradicting the UNHRC report. n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. The link on terrorism-info.org?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:56 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. You think the video from Israel channel 1 at the link is fake? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 06:58 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. I think you need to stop directing members of DU to RW zionist propaganda sites. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:05 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. There's nothing more Rightwing than your support for a pro-war, anti-humanitarian org like the FGM |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:12 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. LOL! Why would I think a liberal is right wing? You should read first what you're posting sweetheart |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:17 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Because they're Liberal Zionists, thus they're Rightwingers to you and the Gideon Levy crowd. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 07:24 AM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Still having trouble condemning extreme Rightwing warmongering groups like Hamas & FGM? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #120 |
124. I'm not the person round here refusing to condemn stuff sweetheart. Its on record for all to see. Ta |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #124 |
125. You won't condemn Hamas and the FGM because that takes away from demonizing Israel. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-11-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #125 |
128. Says the person who refuses to condemn the deaths of hundreds of innocent women and children cos its |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
129. This report states clearly that there wasn't one sole motivation for the flotilla.. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. The leader of the FGM claims the motivation for the flotilla wasn't humanitarian |
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