Israeli raids leaving thousands homeless: UN

[dudeness]

snip..

MARK WILLACY: Israeli raids into Rafah are routine, but last month came Operation Root Canal.

This was no ordinary incursion.

MAJOR SHARON FEINGOLD, ISRAELI MILITARY: The reason for the operations are the tunnels which are dug under the international border between Egypt and Israel.

These tunnels, as we see them, are the arteries of terror.

MARK WILLACY: Israeli soldiers spent days inside the camp hunting for the tunnels which are used by Palestinian militants to smuggle weapons.

They found three before pulling out.

None was found under Azza Al Absi's house.

But, when the Israeli troops and tanks pulled out, her house was a pile of rubble.

The UN estimates that this one raid left at least 200 buildings flattened and about 2,000 people homeless.

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http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2003/s993118.htm

[Blitz]

1. Thousands, huh?

Would that be like the thousands slaughtered in the Jenin holocaust? I mean, Terje Roed-Larsen, the "objective" U.N. envoy DID say that what happened at Jenin was "horrific beyond belief" and that "We have expert people here who have been in war zones and earthquakes and they say they have never seen anything like it." Not in Kosovo, not in Rwanda, not in Kuwait or in Iraq. Not anywhere on earth has the suffering been like what the Israelis did to hundreds, perhaps thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians.

Except, wait ... there was no massacre, there were no hundreds or thousands of bodies buried under rubble and it turned out that the "objective" U.N. envoy was a willing shill; just another sorry anti-semite from a largely anti-semitic organization spreading baseless propaganda in the hopes of achieving a political victory against Israel.

Thousands? If the U.N. says thousands, then dozens is probably closer to the truth.

[drdon326]

2. Well, when one bullshit propaganda doesnt work...

try another and see what sticks.

[bluesoul]

3. So one case

proves them all you say? It couldn't be that thousands are actually affected, not when it's about Palestinians hey? The UN would lie in every case concerning Israel? Some never cease to amaze me here...

[Metrix]

4. Rules are rules

"Do not post accusations of anti-Semitism, racism, bigotry, personal attacks, plagerism, duplicate threads or any other rules violation."

[drdon326]

5. Against other posters......

not outside people or institutions.

[Jim Sagle]

6. The UN Beer Hall never closes.

[Violet_Crumble]

7. Ah, I see...

Make up some claim that someone claimed for a fact thousands were slaughtered in order to imply that thousands are being left homeless by Israeli raids. So, apart from the red herrings you've thrown around, do you have any constructive and reliable refutation of the claim that thousands are being left homeless? I mean, it's no secret that homes are being demolished. Or would finding sanctuary in someone else's home or finding a tent to stay in mean you now classify those people as not being homeless?

Personally, I'd like to see a link to what Roed-Larsen did say and when he said it before I make any decisions on his alleged lack of credibility. And why is he anti-semitic? People might be able to get away with knee-jerk claims of anti-semitism at some cesspit like LGF, but here they're going to get people asking you to back up yr claims with some facts...

Violet...

[dang]

8. your choice, homeless or dead

Which would your prefer? Being one of thousands homeless in an effort to rout our terrorists. Or one of the thousands dead- killed on your way to school on a bus, or maybe one of thousands dead killed eating pizza, or maybe one of thousands dead killed during your worship observance

[bluesoul]

9. Not just homeless,

dead too. 3 times more likely then on the other side. Nice try though..

[dang]

10. to bluesoul

Very pithy and so obscure as to end up meaningless
What has the PLO done to lessen the death? Palistine depends on their economic existance to Israel. If Palistine would take the 12 step program for addicts and stop killing for 12 months it would upset the entire paridigm in the region and its hard telling what would happen. Personly I bet on Isreal to keep the peace and Palistine to be the first to blow up a bus of school children.

[bluesoul]

11. Israel has shown in

3 decades that it has no intention of making it possible for Palestinian to deal with their own problems (terrorists)... I could bet that if it weren't for the occupation, settlements, IDF daily raids, Israelis wouldn't have to fear of suicide attacks..

[dang]

12. Terrorists who?

I cant recall Isreal blowing up any school buses or cafes
maybe you can refresh for me. Still, Arafat walked away from a deal brokered by Clinton that will probably never be put on the table again
Who's whining now?

[bluesoul]

13. Are school buses and cafes everything?

How about blowing up houses, infrastructure, homes to many Palestinians, indiscriminate assassinations that kill along many innocents all those target practice victims and everything that IDF has done? If you were a Palestinian for one day, you may have understood it. But you only see one side. You don't see the other side and their misery, for which Israel bears a huge responsibility. Sorry...

[Jim Sagle]

14. That's like assessing blame for crime equally on cops and crooks.

[bluesoul]

16. So Palestinians are crooks and Israelis are cops?

LOL Jim, please your onesided view of this world is so amazing it makes my head hurt :crazy:

[Jim Sagle]

22. No, but the terrorists are the crooks and the IDF are the cops.

Not all THAT simplistic, IMO.

Less simplistic than usual for me, anyway. ;-)

[Violet_Crumble]

24. But the Palestinian people aren't terrorists...

And it's the homes of people who aren't terrorists who are being destroyed, which would make it closer to a case of rotten, corrupt cop framing the innocent and accusing them of being crooks...

Violet...

[bluesoul]

26. Amen!

Violet :yourock:

[dang]

15. Try peace

Isreal has elected palistines to their gov't body.
And again Arafat walked away from the sweetest deal ever
(probably forever) offered. The stated goal of Arafat is to
eliminate the Jewish population. The Actions of Palistine speaks
much louder than apologist like those found here. If I were a Palistinian I would work very hard to reveal those persons plotting the killing of children, civilians, and innocents I know my life probably would't last 30 days but I would serve as an example to the rest that the only way to stop this isto stop Killing.

[bluesoul]

17. I I were an Israeli

I wouldn't elect people like Sharon in the first place, I would do everything to stop the illegal settlements, the occupation and the daily raids of the IDF that only make Palestinians more desperate and their life more miserable. That's the part of the story you somehow fail to grasp. Hardly surprising, really...

[Gimel]

28. If...

there was less support for terror in the West Bank and Gaza, what you're saying might make sense. The tunnels under homes were legitimate to destroy. Those whose houses hid the tunnels were left homeless. Some who turned out to not have any tunnels were also left homeless. That is indeed unfortunate.

There is no way to make Israel secure without destroying the source of terror, and that includes the smuggling of arms. It is not malicious and wanton destruction as you seem to believe. Targeted asassinations were carried out with absolute certainty. Most hit their targets.

[Lithos]

31. Maybe...

The tunnels under homes were legitimate to destroy. Those whose houses hid the tunnels were left homeless. Some who turned out to not have any tunnels were also left homeless. That is indeed unfortunate.

I agree with the former, if the homes hid tunnels then they are legitimate targets. However, those which were not hiding tunnels should be adequately recompensed for what amounts to eminent domain, which is something I think is NOT happening.

L-

[Aidoneus]

18. a few key phrases, slapdash ranting, and a link or two..

Don't quite have the spirit for a long/organized reply that will probably just be evaded or ignored (as is so often the case), but a few obscure key references may interest you (or perhaps not) off the top of my head. In a bad mood, I seem to be deviating more than usual.. and not any attempt to give an eye for proper attention towards organization and grammer.

Egypt 1970, Bahr al-Baqar school / Abu Zoubil factory
Lebanon 1994, a school bus near Nabatiyeh, the village to be shelled indescriminately within a couple years
Lebanon 1996, Qana (a mere 100 of the 20-25,000 Lebanese & Palestinians murdered by Israeli violence against Lebanon, but the images of this alone made me sicker than most things I can think of), and then the countless villages indescriminately hit, also notable is the shelling of the Hospital of the South in Nabatiyeh, but it was especially nice of the Israelis to rocket an ambulance as well--a nice touch that Hamas has not thought of emulating as yet, thankfully.

Perhaps there was a McDonalds or some other sort of cafe to be hit in their carpetbombing of Beirut, I don't know if the South villages had anything like that hit when an eighth of the whole national population was displaced, except for the generally high percentages of entire villages being hit with 25,000 shells with 2-3weeks..

Before then, in the first couple months of the '82 invasion, more Lebanese & Palestinian were killed than a dozen PLO cloned organizations could do in a half a century; 25yrs of "PLO terrorism" matched and exceeded within a few days--but thankfully, all of this can be so easily ignored and to pretend that it just didn't exist..

Thousands of Palestinian homes are destroyed from across every decade, hundreds of villages emptied of people and replaced with new colonies, hundreds of thousands driven out of their homes at multiple periods across decades and borders.. but I guess you have no problem with this--or is it even acknowledged to have been a wrong done? Churchill or David Irving would and have, in their comperable prejudices, admit no wrong being done involving their pet causes, but I would not seek to emulate them or join their ranks.. Why would you even acknowledge a wrong--the right flag is involved and the right slogans are chanted, so why should I bother? If I can't even answer that question why should I expect the fan club to be able to even take a baby step away from ostrichism. Whatever conscious-soothing fallaces one chooses to cuddle up tight with..

Barak's "generous offer" was a cheap swindling effort and a pantload at best, and anyway he's a useless hypocrite and a murderer. On the side, I happen agree with Arafat's rejection there, probably the first and last decent thing he'd done in his life.

About the cafe.. not quite a bomb, but it'll have to do (perhaps there is a better example, to be found with some effort):--
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-3223334,00.html

Not exactly light reading material, but:--
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1997/isrleb/Isrleb-01.htm

The idea of Israeli actions making thousands homeless is nothing new or shocking (except for perhaps the loyalist ostrich, meticulously conditioned to disbelieve the unflattering light), in fact it is unfortunately quite a routine thing.

[bluesoul]

19. Brilliant post Aidoneus!

:toast:

[tinnypriv]

20. Nice post, slight correction

It took only one day (so minus the -s) for the number of PLO-responsible killings in 25 years to be exceeded by Israel. In fact, it took just one act. The bombing of the hospital with zero pretext with 200 killed.

[Gimel]

27. That was a hoax

No hospital was bombed. PLO responsible killings of 25 years is not the measure. PLO has gone diplomatic (undercover) for the past 20 years, and was outlawed by Israel for the 20 years before that.

You may think what you say is correct, but it's the false impression that is always the goal of your posts. That is less than honest.

[BlackFrancis]

29. I'd be very suprised if he was wrong

I think if the IDF missed bombing anything in Lebanon in the last twenty years it was an omission but why don't you think the hospital at Nabatieh never happened?

[number6]

30. 'pithy" are u Bill O'Really

"Palistine to be the first to blow up a bus of school children."

"Palistine" , who's Palistine

people keep tellin me its Hamas n Hezbolla ????

[Violet_Crumble]

23. Dangnabbit, but these tombstones are hard to keep up with!

At the risk of being seen to be talking to thin air, I just wanted to thank you for shedding light on the issue for me. Clearly large-scale destruction of homes protects people from terrorism. How remiss of me not to have spotted that! I'll wait with bated breath for the British government to start destroying the homes of innocent Turks so as to protect its citizens from more attacks in Turkey!

Violet...

[dudeness]

21. I would argue on this particular point

The Australian Broadcasting Commission is a publicly funded , independent news outlet covering TV, radio , internet amongst other things..it is highly respected for its balanced forthright delivery of information to the Australian public..those that have and presently attack the ABC only fear the truth that it reports..

[Violet_Crumble]

25. The ABC...

I don't think they have anything like it in the US. I just wish it got more funding than it does right now...

Violet...

[Resistance]

32. thanks dudeness

well said.