The Return of Anti-Semitism

[drdon326]

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/religion/features/n_9622/index.html


very long...dont bother to read.

[MikeGalos]

1. A superb article

I read it on paper on my flight back from New York this week. The issue (with this cover story) was on every newsstand in the city.

It criticizes quite a few Israeli government policies and actions but fairly covers issues that many have been afraid to discuss.

Here's the opening statement:

Israel has become the flash point—and the excuse—for a global explosion of an age-old syndrome. Why has hating the Jews become politically correct in many places? And what can be done about it?

[bluesoul]

2. I guess if you disagree with Sharon and his policies

you're automatically a Jew hater...

[MikeGalos]

4. Guess you didn't bother to read

the actual article.

Here's a hint. It actually is critical of both Sharon and his policies.

Maybe you could read something before knee-jerking a reply.

[loudnclear]

3. Honestly looking at Sharon's policies and US backing

what would you expect? There is widespread anti-Americanism also. Why doesn't that warrant the same kind of coverage that the people must be evil who complain about American polies and who hate them for what they have done and are doing to their homelands?

[MikeGalos]

6. The article

discusses that quite a bit. Care to comment on their answers to your questions?

[demnan]

5. Very interesting article

For one I don't believe it is anti-semitisim to criticize how Jewish groups handle an issue, especially if they do in fact believe it or handle it. It is a fact that American Jews for the most part support Israel. It is also a fact that a lot of them feel Sharon goes too far.

There will always be a sensitivity about Israel among the Jews, just the same as I would feel a sensitivity to an attack on Great Britain. The politics of Israel (or GB) should be critcized regardless of someone's sensitivity on the subject, but on no uncertain terms should Jewish people be insulted for being Jewish, nor should they be accused of doing things to harm others unless it's true.

The exact same treatment should be afforded Palestinians. When they promote violence and Palestinian groups in the U.S. condone this, they should be criticized.

[drdon326]

7. Hopefully...

sunlight is a great disinfectant.

[legin]

8. Snore... n/t

.

[MikeGalos]

9. Amazing

If an article claimed that bigotry against any other group were on the rise it would get vast discussion here on how to combat the problem. When it's Jews who are hated, however, it gets a snore...

Telling...

[legin]

10. Bullshit

You know as well as I do that there have been at least 3 threads per day posted down here on the 'rise of anti-Semitism', most of the time in Europe, i mean just look at the forum now.

And you know as well as I do what the underlying agenda is as well.

[GabysPoppy]

11. Please tell us what the "underlying agenda" is

[legin]

20. there is a wall being built

it's a bit controversial because Palestinian land is being nicked, just for a change, and if the israelis were just to build the wall they would start getting in the neck.

Hence a propaganda offensive is needed to accompany its building to put any potential critics on the back foot.

[MikeGalos]

21. And

of course, this has nothing to do with the article...

[MikeGalos]

13. Perhaps you should read the article

before you denigrate something totally out of ignorance and trivialize bigotry and hatred.

Or, perhaps you feel that we shouldn't talk about anything more than once. Hey, we can shut down the boards. We've clearly had more than 3 threads on I/P. Good enough. Race relations in the US? Clearly more than 3 threads. Guess that's solved.

Why is it that a rise in hatred of Jews is, like most topics that involve Jews, subject to different rules.

Or did I miss it and you posted "snore" and "Bullshit" when we had more than three articles on:

Racism
Homophobia
Sexism

Or, for that matter:

Palestinian statehood
The Iraq war
George Bush

If so, I apologize for not recognizing your short attention span and lack of concern for a thorough understanding of issues. If not, then I think that attempt at censorship by denigration is something you should apologize for.

Let me know...

[legin]

22. I read the article the last time it was posted down here

:P

boy was I waiting for that post :evilgrin:

[drdon326]

17. " underlying agenda " ??

let it out.

[MikeGalos]

27. Yes, we're all curious

about the "underlying agenda" and about who you think holds it.

[legin]

28. I thought I answered it in post 20 n/t

.

[GabysPoppy]

29. I don't think you did

[MikeGalos]

30. Really?

You mean you actually think that the rise in anti-Semitism in the world (note that the article talks about the US, Europe, the Middle East and Asia) is actually not happening despite reports from multiple continents and multiple reporting groups both private, public and journalistic and that, in some secret reality that most of us aren't privy to, it is all a devious PR offensive coordinated by some vast media conspiracy to get support for a single Israeli government policy?

Really?

That's the "underlying agenda" that you meant?

Wow...

:tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat:

[RPG-7]

12. say it's all true

Let's say that the entire gentile world had an inborn, uncombatable, urge to hate Jews for no apparent reason whatsoever (and after reading this stuff ad nauseum I believe that may be the consensus of the people devoted to "fighting anti-semitism").

It still would have little to nothing to do with political zionism or the Israeli state.

That I don't believe it's true and that it's masturbatary hysterics is really beside the point but sometimes it gets funny like in Phyllis Chesler's The New Anti-Semitism where she says Pg 245: "Anyone who does not distinguish between Jews and the Jewish state is an anti-Semite." Pg 209: "Each Jew must think of himself or herself as the most precious resource that Israel has at this moment.".

I'm telling you when even Phyllis is an anti-semite, nobody is safe!

[bluesoul]

14. Finally some

common sense! Amen RPG-7! :yourock:

[MikeGalos]

16. Another person

who hasn't read the article heard from.

[GabysPoppy]

18. C omman sense?

"after reading this stuff ad nauseum"

you think that rocks?

:crazy:

[MikeGalos]

15. Let's see

Nowhere does the article claim "the entire gentile world had an inborn, uncombatable, urge to hate Jews for no apparent reason whatsoever" nor does anybody say so (except for your apparent interpretation of articles you're too nauseated to read)

Is there actually a point your trying to make about the article? For that matter, have you actually read the article?

[bluesoul]

19. So you don't agree with those

here claiming anti-semitism is "institutionalized" in Europe and elsewhere and that people just hate Jews for no reason whatsoever. I am glad..

[drdon326]

23. For the record...

whats your definition of "institutionalized"??

[bluesoul]

26. Ask Muddle about it

He was the one coming with such claims..

[newyorican]

24. I think his point is...

to stipulate to the assertion that anti-semitism is on the rise, or running rampant or whatever you think the deal is with anti-semitism, first.

Then, to inquire as to what steps should be taken, and by whom, to rectify to problem.

Even if that's not what he meant, it's better than playing word games or insult by innuendo.

[RPG-7]

25. I'm just taking things to the most absurd level

and the premise doesn't change, Israel's actions are independent of individual prejudices and stand or fall on their own merits.

[Darranar]

31. This has been posted before.

[MikeGalos]

32. Actually

I believe it was referenced in a posting on another topic but has not been posted before. However, if somebody can show the other topic heading for this article...

[Darranar]

33. Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=38382#38458

Same title.

[MikeGalos]

34. You are correct

Glad it got more discussion, however. It's certainly an important read that brings up multiple issues that everyone here should think long and hard about.